HC Deb 05 July 1932 vol 268 cc251-5

Can the right hon. Gentleman the Lord President of the Council tell us what the business will be for the rest of the week, and also how far he proposes to go to-night?

The LORD PRESIDENT of the COUNCIL (Mr. Baldwin)

With regard to the business to-day, there is a Motion on the Paper, standing in my name, to allow, contrary to Standing Order No. 15, business other than the business of Supply to be taken before Eleven o'Clock in the event of the Department of Mines Vote being agreed to before that time, and, in addition to Supply, the Government desire to obtain Order No. 2, which is the Report stage of the Ways and Means Resolution, the Committee stage of which was finished at an early hour this morning, and the two Motions standing in the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer concerning Orders Nos. 2 and 3 made under the Import Duties Act, 1932. All these Orders are exempted business. The Government would like, if possible, to obtain Orders Nos. 3 and 4, namely, the Second Reading of the Malta Constitution Bill and the Second Reading of the Extradition Bill, both from another place. The Eleven o'Clock Rule is being suspended for the purpose of those two Orders, which are not exempted business.

With regard to the rest of the week, to-morrow (Wednesday) Supply, Committee (19th allotted day), Home Office Vote, and the Second Reading of the Irish Free State (Special Duties) Bill.

Thursday: Supply, Report (20th allotted day), Ministry of Transport Vote, and the Committee stage of the Irish Free State (Special Duties) Bill.

Friday: Irish Free State (Special Duties) Bill, remaining stages.

Normally the outstanding Votes in Committee and on Report would be put from the Chair at Ten o'clock to-morrow (Wednesday) and on Thursday, but in order to meet the convenience of the House, the Government propose to table Motions to-morrow and on Thursday to enable the Chairman of Committees and Mr. Speaker, in the event of the Votes selected for discussion being disposed of, to put the Questions in respect of outstanding Supply Votes before Ten o'clock.

May I remind the House, for the benefit of those who were not in the previous Parliament, that a similar Motion was put down in 1930 and 1931, the reason being that if by any chance the Supply Vote comes to an end early—it is entirely in the hands of the House, and there is no question of trying to suppress debate —the Guillotine does not fall under the Standing Orders till Ten o'clock, and therefore, under the Rules of the House, the Chairman or Mr. Speaker, whichever it be, in Committee or on the Report stage, has to put every one of the Votes singly, and they have all to be read out. There are 152 of them, and it is, therefore, a very great strain on all concerned, so that that Motion is being moved just to cover that contingency. It happened in 1929 and came as a surprise, and it was found very awkward, so that a Motion was put down by the last Government in 1930 and again in 1931, and we shall put it down to-morrow.

During the week the Government hope to make progress with the Malta Constitution Bill and the Extradition Bill, and with other outstanding business.


On the last two Bills, the Malta Constitution Bill and the Extradition Bill, I think that in all probability we shall be able to agree about those—at least, the Second Reading—but I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman not to ask us to sit too late to-night. I do not know what discussion there will be on the Report stage of the Money Resolution that was taken yesterday. So far as we are concerned, we propose to continue further discussion on the Second Reading and Committee stages of that Bill, and we hope very much that that would be agreed to, but with regard to the Second Reading and the Committee stages of the Irish Bill, I hope the right hon. Gentleman will, in the usual way, do his best to give us fair time to-morrow night and on Thursday to deal with those very important matters. If we were stronger, we might try to take other measures, but we all know the position that both our hon. Friends below the Gangway and ourselves are in, and we have fallen in with this arrangement, but that can only succeed if all the Members of the House help us.


I quite agree. In answer to the right hon. Gentleman, I recognise the reasonableness of the case which he has put. We have no desire to take advantage of the very large majority which we have, and I am sure that satisfactory arrangements can be come to by consultation through the usual channels. The length of our sittings depends upon how far Supply runs and so forth, but we have no desire to sit up unduly late to-night or to-morrow night.

Motion made, and Question put,

"That this day, notwithstanding anything in Standing Order No. 15, Business other than the Business of Supply may be taken before Eleven of the Clock, and that the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 298; Noes, 40.

Division No. 279.] AYES. [3.51 p.m.
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Denman, Hon. R. D. Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport)
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M. Denville, Alfred Hume, Sir George Hopwood
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd) Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Dickie, John P. Hunter. Capt. M. J. (Brigg)
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Donner, P. W. Hurd, Sir Percy
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent. Dover) Dower, Captain A. V. G. Hurst, sir Gerald B.
Atholl, Duchess of Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H.
Balley, Eric Alfred George Duggan, Hubert John James, Wing-Com. A. W. H.
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Jesson, Major Thomas E.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Dunglass, Lord Joel, Dudley J. Barnato
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Eady, George H. Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Eden, Robert Anthony Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Edmondson, Major A. J. Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West)
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th,C.) Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E. Ker, J. Campbell
Belt, Sir Alfred L. Elliston, Captain George Sampson Kerr, Hamilton W.
Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Kimball, Lawrence
Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B. Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Kirkpatrick, William M.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Lambert, Rt. Hon. George
Blaker, Sir Reginald Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Law, Sir Alfred
Bossom, A. C. Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Law, Richard K. (Hull, S.W.)
Boulton, W. W. Falle Sir Bertram G. Leckie, J. A.
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Fermoy, Lord Leech, Dr. J. W.
Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Lees-Jones, John
Bowyer. Capt. Sir George E. W. Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald Fraser, Captain Ian Lennox-Boyd, A. T.
Braithwaite,.J. G. (Hillsborough) Fremantle, Sir Francis Levy, Thomas
Broadbent, Colonel John Ganzoni, Sir John Liddall, Walter S.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Lindsay, Noel Ker
Brown, Ernest (Leith) George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunilffe-
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks.,Newb'y) George, Megan A. Lloyd (Anglesea) Liewellin, Major John J.
Browne, Captain A. C. Gibson, Charles Granville Liewellyn-Jones, Frederick
Buchan, John Gluckstein, Louis Halle Lioyd, Geoffrey
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Goff, Sir Park Locker-Lampoon, Rt. Hn.G.(Wd.Gr'n)
Burnett, John George Goldie, Noel B. Loder, Captain J. de Vere
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Goodman. Colonel Albert W. Lumley, Captain Lawrence R.
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Gower, Sir Robert Mabane, William
Castlereagh, Viscount Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas MacAndrew, Lt.-Col C. G. (Partick)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Greene, William P. C. MacAndrew, Capt..J. O. (Ayr)
Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John McConnell, Sir Joseph
Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth., S.) Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.) Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Grimston, R. V. McEwen, Captain J. H. F.
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. Mc Keag, William
Chalmers, John Rutheiford Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. McKie, John Hamilton
Chapman. Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Gunston, Captain D. W. Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh,S.) Guy, J. C. Morrison McLean, Major Alan
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)
Chotzner, Alfred James Hales, Harold K. Maitland, Adam
Christie, James Archibald Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Making, Brigadier-General Ernest
Clarry, Reginald George Hamilton, Sir R. W.(Orkney & Zetl'nd) Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Clayton. Dr. George C. Hanley, Dennis A. Margesson. Capt. Henry David R.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Marsden, Commander Arthur
Colville, John Harbord, Arthur Martin, Thomas B.
Conant, R. J. E. Hartland, George A. Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Cook, Thomas A. Harvey, George (Lambeth,Kenningt'n) Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Cooke, Douglas Haslam, Henry (Lindsay, H'ncastle) Millar, Sir James Duncan
Copeland, Ida Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.)
Cowan, D. M. Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Mills, Major.J. D. (New Forest)
Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry Hepworth, Joseph Milne, Charles
Cranborne, Viscount Holdsworth, Herbert Mitchell, Harold P,(Br'tf'd & Chisw'k)
Crooke, J. Smedley Hope, Capt. Arthur O. J. (Aston) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Hope, Sydney (Chester, Staiybridge) Mitcheson, G. G.
Crookshank. Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Hore-Belisha, Leslie Moison, A. Hugh Eisdale
Crossley, A. C. Hornby, Frank Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Munro, Patrick
Cuiverwell, Cyril Tom Horsbrugh, Florence Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Curry, A. C. Howard, Tom Forrest Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) Howitt. Dr. Alfred B. Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf' ld)
Davison, Sir William Henry Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) North, Captain Edward T.
Nunn, William Rosbotham, S. T. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.
O'Connor, Terence James Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Runge, Norah Cecil Summersby, Charles H.
O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Sutcliffe, Harold
Ormiston, Thomas Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Tate, Mavis Constance
Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G.A. Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield,B'tside) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E.A.(P'dd'grn,S.)
Patrick, Colin M. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Peake, Captain Osbert Salmon, Major Isidore Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Pearson, William G. Salt, Edward W. Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)
Percy, Lord Eustace Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) Todd, A. L. S. (Kingswinford)
Petherick, M. Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, B'nstaple) Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard Turton, Robert Hugh
Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'pt'n, Bilst'n) savery, Samuel Servington Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Pickering, Ernest H. Scone, Lord Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Pike, Cecil F. Shepperson, Sir Ernest W. Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Potter, John Simmonds, Oliver Edwin Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Sinclair, Maj. Rt. H n. Sir A. (C'thness) Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Pownall, Sir Assheton Skelton, Archibald Noel Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Pybus, Percy John Slater, John Weymouth, Viscount
Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) White, Henry Graham
Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) Smith-Carington, Neville W. Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Somerset, Thomas Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Ramsden, E. Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Womersley, Walter James
Rathbone, Eleanor Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E. Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham- Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L. Worthington, Dr. John V.
Reid, David D. (County Down) Spencer, Captain Richard A. Wragg, Herbert
Reid, James S. C. (Stirling) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Reid, William Allan (Derby) Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland)
Reynolds, Col. Sir James Philip Stevenson, James TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Roberts, Aled (Wrexham) Stones, James Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir
Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecciesall) Strickland, Captain W. F. George Penny.
Robinson, John Roland Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Attlee, Clement Richard Healy, Cahir Parkinson, John Allen
Batey, Joseph Hirst, George Henry Price, Gabriel
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Jenkins, Sir William Thorne, William James
Buchanan, George John, William Tinker, John Joseph
Cape, Thomas Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. David
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Kirkwood, David Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Cripps, Sir Stafford Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Daggar, George Lawson, John James Williams. Dr. John H. (Lianelly)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Logan, David Gilbert Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Edwards, Charles Lunn, William
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Granfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) McEntee, Valentine L. Mr. Duncan Graham and Mr.Groves
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Grundy, Thomas W. Maxton, James