HC Deb 22 February 1932 vol 262 cc160-73

I beg to move, in page 10, line 29, after the word "yard," to insert the words "or marine engine works."

In moving this Amendment, I wish to draw attention to this Clause, which is a departure from the general structure of the Bill. I should like to know the intention of the Government. Where goods imported into the United Kingdom are consigned direct to a registered shipbuilding yard within the meaning of this section, the Commissioners may do certain things, that is to say exclude the goods from the duty chargeable. The definition in Subsection (3) of shipyards for that purpose is occupied and used for the purpose of the building, repairing, or refitting of ships. We contend that marine engines are an essential part of the building of the ship and should be included in the Clause. It would appear that it is not very clear whether marine engine works are included or not. Whilst they are dissociated in some senses from shipbuilding yards, they are really part and parcel of a shipbuilding yard. We have put the Amendment down in order to get a direct statement from the Government of their intention.


Many Members were, indeed, surprised to see Clause 11 in the Bill, and I think many Members were even much more surprised to see the Amendments on the Paper to extend the operation of the Clause. I really cannot think that two bad things will make one good. The arguments which my hon. Friend has put forward in no way convince me that it would be advisable to bring in marine engineering works. Do hon. Members imagine that marine engineers, or even shipbuilders, are any more in distress than those industries which are supplying them? When one knows the terrible distress in the iron and steel industry, one would certainly not imagine that there could be any trade in such terrible straits. I have looked into the question of what is done in other countries with regard to marine engineering works. I find, for example, that in France, though there is exemption in some ways for shipyards, it does not include any marine or auxiliary engines, boilers, electrical machines, or anchors. In Norway and Sweden there are many restrictions in the matter. In Germany I am told the administration of the rules for duty free entry allows as little of this material as possible to enter duty free. Surely, having an Advisory Committee set up, we should leave it for them to deal with. The Chancellor of the Exchequer some days ago referred to the character of this Committee. He said: If it is to commend the general confidence of the public, it must be an independent body and if we had said that we were going to take out of their hands the decision as to what is perhaps the most fundamental industry in the country, the industry which most affects other industries, we should have been handicapping that independence and making it extremely difficult for this body to carry out their duties according to their own ideas. We thought it better to leave full discretion to the committee."—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 16th February, 1932; col. 1603, Vol. 261.] This is particularly a matter that should be left to the advisory committee, and the question should be in no way prejudged at this stage. The two branches of the iron and steel trade which are mainly dependent on the marine engineering industry are those of heavy castings and forgings and in those two trades there is serious distress. In 1914 it was found that they were key industries. The Admiralty programme was held up because of the lack of their supplies. If we allow the heavy forgings and castings required to come in free and these industries get no help, I can visualise that when a state of emergency may again arise that they will be found lacking in equipment. That equipment takes a long time to build. It is very heavy and there are only two or three firms in the country capable of turning that plant out. It is mast important to consider the heavy casting and forging industry when we are considering the marine engineering trade.

I again appeal to the Chancellor to leave the matter for the decision of the advisory committee. It may be that the Board of Trade are judging the position at the moment with regard to shipbuilding by the figures in the Board of Trade returns. Those figures are most misleading. There are a very large number of heavy forgings coming into the country, not in the rough state, but in a semi-finished and in a finished condition. I appeal to the Board of Trade to make investigations and find out exactly the amount of heavy forgings which are coming in at the present time. I feel sure that if such a record were carefully compiled the right hon. Gentleman would see that this is very dangerous ground upon which to proceed. It is said that this may be a matter that aplies only to my constituency of Sheffield. I hold in nay hand a memorandum which was sent to me on Saturday from the Midlands. The trades which are affected by marine engineering are all over the country. The Birmingham Chamber of Commerce sent rue a memorandum in these word: The ramifications of the shipbuilding industry reach into several important industrial regions throughout the country. Birmingham and the Black County embrace a large number of factories which have specialised in the production of a wide variety of commodities which are integral parts of ships or are ancillary thereto. The effect of Clause 11 of the Bill is to leave such manufacturers unprotected not only in respect of the 10 per cent. ad valorem duty, but also in respect of any additional duties contemplated by the Bill. I submit that Clause 11 is one that should be dealt with by the Advisory Committee. While most warmly supporting every other part of the Bill, I think that we are running grave danger in deciding the question of shipbuilding and marine engineering trades. I ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer to give further consideration to the matter, and not only to resist the Amendment on the Paper at once, but to consider whether it would not be possible to leave the whole matter in the hands of the Advisory Committee.


The hon. Member for Hallam (Mr. L. Smith) expressed the view that there is not greater unemployment in the shipping trade than there is in the iron and steel trade. The hon. Member is very wide of the mark. On the North-East coast the unemployment in the shipping trade is at the present time 75 per cent. more than in any trade in the country, and if the hon. Gentleman's proposals are carried out, our shipyards will be shut down for good and all. [HON. MEMBERS: "Why?"] It is only with the greatest difficulty that it is possible to get any orders at all at the present time. One difficulty under the Clause as it stands is that the building of ships within the meaning of the Clause means the building of entire ships. [HON. MEMBERS: "No."] It means not only the hull but the engines. Many shipbuilding yards build both hulls and engines. Other yards only build hulls. The position is that if the Clause goes through as it stands, the yards which build both hulls and engines will be able to get into their yards all the materials free of duty both for hulls and engines, whereas in the case of yards which only build hulls, the engines being built in other works, the result will be that duties will have to be paid upon materials used in building the engines which come into the country. Therefore, there is a serious discrimination between one set of shipbuilding yards and others. As time is so short, I merely put the point, because I am sure that it will commend itself to the Minister.


The point that has just been made, not an unimportant one, shows how complicated this question is, and how unfair it would be to the Advisory Committee to take this very important part of the whole field out of its purview. I do not think anyone here would underestimate the importance of safeguarding the interests of shipbuilding in every way or of giving shipbuilding every concession that is necessary for its success, treating it, as far as may be necessary, as an export industry; but I do submit that it is a very considerable departure from the principle of the Bill to take the whole of this field, interlocking in all sorts of ways with other phases of engineering, cabinet work and construction work, entirely out of the purview of the committee, and not to enable the committee, after careful investigation, where they have the advantage of the knowledge to be gathered in further investigations, to make a definite recommendation. For instance, it might be possible for the committee to recommend the free entry to registered shipbuilding yards of certain foreign materials, coupled with conditions as to quantity, and not only under conditions such as those mentioned in the Clause.

I believe that in a great many foreign countries where there is nominal free entry into shipbuilding yards, it is strictly limited by quota. It might very well be that the committee would recommend that, coupling it with a variety of important conditions. I suggest, therefore, very earnestly to the Chancellor of the Exchequer that he should reconsider the Clause before Report from the point of view of reinstating into it the authority of the committee, and then, if he feels it essential to the shipbuilding industry, to allow a suspension for the moment from the powers of the Clause, but to do that only pending a definite recommendation from the com- mittee. It certainly seems a great pity that this very important field should permanently be excluded from the general consideration of our industrial structure.


On a point of Order. Is it desirable or in order to have a general Debate on the whole Clause? I appreciate the speeches that have been made in favour of the exclusion of the Clause, but I would point out that my Amendment refers to the definition of a shipbuilding yard.


As there are eight Amendments on the Order Paper dealing with various parts of this Clause, may I submit that it would be for the convenience of the Committee if the whole subject could be discussed on the first Amendment?


It is true that the Amendment of the hon. Member for Sunderland (Mr. L. Thompson) is confined to shipbuilding yards, and I have not so far heard any speeches that have been far away from that. A general discussion is out of the question, seeing that we are only within five minutes of the fall of the Guillotine.


Will the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade, in his reply, let me know whether ship plates are included, because our men are paid on a sliding scale?


I agree that it is a pity that time prevents us from having a full discussion on this very important question. [HON. MEMBERS: "Whose fault is that?"] So much time was used in the reiteration of arguments on a previous Clause that we no longer have an opportunity of examining a proposal concerning one of our principal industries. The Government have given attention to this matter and have put down this Clause as the result of very close and sympathetic consideration. After taking into account all the arguments on both sides, it has been decided to allow goods for the building and repair of ships to be imported into the United Kingdom free, provided they be consigned direct to a registered shipbuilding yard. My hon. Friend who has moved the Amendment in so earnest a speech wishes to add the words "marine engine works" so that anything consigned to marine engineering yards would be exempt from duty in exactly the same way as if it were consigned to a shipbuilding yard.


But only if the material is to be used for the building of ships.


Precisely. I was aware of that, and so I believe is the whole Committee; because we are only dealing with shipbuilding.


Are we not dealing with the refitting of ships?


Not in this Amendment.


I do not think any hon. Member is in any doubt as to the subject with which we are dealing. My hon. Friend wishes to apply the exemption to marine engineering yards, because he thought the Clause did not go far enough. My hon. Friend who followed him from a steel-making quarter thought it went too far and, therefore, the Committee will realise that to some extent these two arguments cancel each other out. I want to assure my hon. Friends that the Government have tried even before they saw the Amendment on the Paper to meet the point in advance. The difficulty is that marine engineering yards are many, and they do not always confine themselves to work for the shipbuilding trade. Many of them make equipment of an entirely different kind. Try as we would we found it impossible to devise a formula to meet my hon. Friend's point. It is administratively impossible. Therefore, my hon. Friend will understand that it is not lack of sympathy that has caused the Government to reject the principle of this Amendment. We have to have something of this kind in the Bill because our principal rivals in shipbuilding have a clause based on the same principle. In Germany and in Holland, where they have a protective system, in one case high and in the other low, they give exemption on exactly the same basis as we propose to give it here, and we are, therefore, following their practice. I wish it had been possible to accept the point put forward in the Amendment, but it has been found to be administratively impossible.


Does not Subsection (2) cover the very points covered by the Amendments?


Will the Parliamentary Secretary answer my question as to whether ship plates are included?


Do I understand that if a correct form of words could be obtained, they would be accepted by the Government?

It being half-past Ten of the Clock the CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to the Order of the House of 17th February, to

put forthwith the Question on the Amendment already proposed from the Chair.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 63; Noes, 301.

Division No. 79.] AYES. [10.31 p.m.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Grundy, Thomas W. Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Aske, Sir Robert William Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Maxton, James
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Harris, Sir Percy Morris, Rhys Hopkin (Cardigan)
Batey, Joseph Hicks, Ernest George Nathan, Major H. L.
Bernays, Robert Hirst, George Henry Owen, Major Goronwy
Briant, Frank Holdsworth, Herbert Parkinson, John Allen
Brown, C. w. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Janner, Barnett Pearson, William G.
Buchanan, George Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Pickering, Ernest H.
Cape, Thomas Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Price, Gabriel
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Cripps, sir Stafford Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Rothschild, James A. de
Daggar, George Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Salter, Dr. Alfred
Davies, David U. (Pontypridd) Lawson, John James Storey, Samuel
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Leonard, William Thompson, Luke
Edwards, Charles Logan, David Gilbert Thorne, William James
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Lunn, William Tinker, John Joseph
Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. David
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) McEntee, Valentine L. Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Groves, Thomas E. Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Mr. John and Mr. Duncan Craham.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Carver, Major William H. Elliston, Captain George Sampson
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Cassels, James Dale Elmley, Viscount
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Castlereagh, Viscount Emmott, Charles E. G. C.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Castle Stewart, Earl Emrys-Evans, P. V.
Alien, sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l, W.) Cautley, Sir Henry S. Entwistle, Cyril Fullard
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Cayzer; Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth., S.) Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, S.)
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Chalmers, John Rutherford Fermoy, Lord
Atholl, Duchess of Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. (Birm., W) Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgbaston) Fraser, Captain Ian
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Chotzner, Alfred James Ganzoni, Sir John
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Clarke, Frank Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton
Balniel, Lord Clayton, Dr. George C. Gibson, Charles Granville
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Clydesdale, Marquess of Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Cobb, Sir Cyril Glossop, C. W. H.
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.) Colfox, Major William Philip Gluckstein, Louis Halle
Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Colman, N. C. D. Glyn, Major Ralph G. C.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Colville, Major David John Goldie, Noel B.
Bird, Ernest Roy (Yorks., Skipton) Conant, R. J. E. Goodman, Colonel Albert W.
Bird, Sir Robert B. (Wolverh'pton W.) Cook, Thomas A. Gower, Sir Robert
Blaker, Sir Reginald Cooke, James D. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)
Blinded, James Courthope, Colonel Sir George L Graves, Marjorie
Borodale, Viscount Craven-Ellis, William Greene, William P. C.
Bossom, A. C. Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Boulton, W. W. Crooke, J. Smedley Grimston, R. V.
Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Gunston, Captain D. W.
Boyce, H. Leslie Croom-Johnson, R. p. Guy, J. C. Morrison
Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald Cross, R. H. Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Bracken, Brendan Crossley, A. C. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Hall, Capt. W. D'Arcy (Brecon)
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Dawson, Sir Philip Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Denman, Hon. R. D. Hammersley, Samuel S.
Brown, Col. D. C (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Hanbury, Cecil
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Danner, P. W. Hanley, Dennis A.
Burghley, Lord Drewe, Cedric Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Duckworth, George A. V. Hartland, George A.
Burnett, John George Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n)
Butt, Sir Alfred Duggan, Hubert John Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Haslam, Sir John (Bolton)
Caine, G. R. Hall- Eastwood, John Francis Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M.
Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley) Edmondson, Major A. J. Hellgers, Captain F. F. A.
Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E. Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford)
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Ellis, Robert Geoffrey Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Hillman, Dr. George B. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Selley, Harry R.
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Milne, Charles Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Milne, John Sydney Wardlaw- Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Hope, Sydney (Chester, Stalybridge) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar)
Hore-Belisha, Leslie Mitcheson, G. G. Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Hornby, Frank Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Unv., Belfast)
Horobin, Ian M. Moreing, Adrian C. Skelton, Archibald Noel
Horsbrugh, Florence Moss, Captain H. J. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Howard, Tom Forrest Munro, Patrick Smith, Sir Jonah W. (Barrow-in-F.)
Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney, N.) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & King'dine, C.)
Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) North, Captain Edward T. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Hume, Sir George Hopwood Nunn, William Somerset, Thomas
Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) O'Connor, Terence James Somervell, Donald Bradley
Hutchison, W. D. (Essex, Romf'd) O'Donovan, Dr. William James Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Han. William G. A. Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Palmer, Francis Noel Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Jesson, Major Thomas E. Patrick, Colin M. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Peake, Captain Osbert Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde)
Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Peat, Charles U. Stanley, Hon. O. F. C. (Westmorland)
Ker, J. Campbell Penny, Sir George Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Kerr, Hamilton W. Perkins, Walter R. D. Stones, James
Kirkpatrick, William M. Petherick, M. Stourton, Hon. John J.
Knatchbull, Captain Hon. M. H. R. Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Bilston) Strauss, Edward A.
Knebworth, Viscount Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Strickland, Captain W. F.
Knox, Sir Alfred Procter, Major Henry Adam Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Lamb. Sir Joseph Quintan Purbrick, R. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Pybus, Percy John Sutcliffe, Harold
Latham, Sir Herbert Paul Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Tate, Mavis Constance
Leckie, J. A. Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E.A. (P'dd'gt'n, S.)
Leighton, Major B. E. P. Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Templeton, William P.
Lewis, Oswald Ramsbotham, Herwald Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)
Liddall, Walter S. Ramsden, E. Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Lindsay, Noel Ker Rankin, Robert Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles
Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Thorp, Linton Theodore
Little, Graham-, Sir Ernest Held, James S. C. (Stirling) Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)
Lloyd, Geoffrey Renter, John R. Touche, Gordon Cosmo
Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G.(Wd. Gr'n) Rentoul, Sir Gervais S. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Renwick, Major Gustav A. Turton, Robert Hugh
Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. Reynolds, Col. Sir James Philip Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Lyons, Abraham Montagu Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U. Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Robinson, John Roland Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
McCorquodale, M. S. Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell Wells, Sydney Richard
Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Ropner, Colonel L. Weymouth, Viscount
McEwen, J. H. F. Rosbotham, S. T. Whiteside, Borras Noel H.
McKie, John Hamilton Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
McLean, Major Alan Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Wills, Wilfrid D.
McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Runge, Nor ah Cecil Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo Wise, Alfred R.
Margesson, Capt. Henry David ft. Salmon, Major Isidore Womersley, Walter James
Marjoribanks, Edward Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
Marsden, Commander Arthur Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Martin, Thomas B. Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Lieut.-Colonel Sir A. Lambert Ward
Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Savery, Samuel Servington and Major George Davies.
Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Scone, Lord

The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to put forthwith the Question necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at half-past Ten of the Clock at this day's Sitting.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The committee divided: Ayes, 342; Noes, 29.

Division No. 80.] AYES. [10.43 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Briant, Frank
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T, (Leeds, W.) Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Briscoe, Capt. Richard George
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. p. G. Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Brockiebank, C. E. R.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'd., Hexham)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l, W.) Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.) Brown, Ernest (Leith)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Sernays, Robert Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Burghley, Lord
Aske, Sir Robert William Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie
Atholl, Duchess of Bird, Ernest Roy (Yorks., Skipton) Burnett, John George
Attlee, Clement Richard Bird, Sir Robert B. (Wolverh'pton W.) Butt, Sir Alfred
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Borodale, Viscount Cadogan, Hon. Edward
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Bossom, A. C. Caine, G. R. Hall-
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley)
Balniel, Lord Bracken, Brendan Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Hammersley, Samuel S. Marsden, Commander Arthur
Carver, Major William H. Hanbury, Cecil Martin, Thomas B.
Cassels, James Dale Hanley, Dennis A. Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Castlereagh, viscount Harris, Sir Percy Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Castle Stewart, Earl Hartland, George A. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) Millar, Sir James Duncan
Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. Ft. (Prtsmth., S.) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Milne, Charles
Chalmers, John Rutherford Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Mitchell, Harold P. (Br'tf'd & Chisw'k)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J.A. (Birm., W) Heilgers, Captain F, F. A. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgbaston) Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Mitcheson, G. G.
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale
Chotzner, Alfred James Hillman, Dr. George B. Moreing, Adrian C.
Clarke, Frank Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Morris, Rhys Hopkin (Cardigan)
Clydesdale, Marquess of Hirst, George Henry Moss, Captain H. J.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Munro, Patrick
Colfox, Major William Philip Holdsworth, Herbert Nathan, Major H. L.
Colman, N. C. D. Hope, Capt. Arthur O. J. (Aston) Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Colville, Major David John Hope, Sydney (Chester, Stalybridge) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)
Conant, R. J. E. Hore-Belisha, Leslie North, Captain Edward T.
Cook, Thomas A. Hornby, Frank O'Connor, Terence James
Cooke, James D. Horobin, Ian M. O'Donovan, Dr. William James
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Horsbrugh, Florence O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh
Craven-Ellis, William Howard, Tom Forrest Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.
Cripps, Sir Stafford Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Owen, Major Goronwy
Crooke, J. Smedley Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Palmer, Francis Noel
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Parkinson, John Allen
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Hume, Sir George Hopwood Patrick, Colin M.
Cross, R. H. Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Peake, Captain Osbert
Crossley, A. C. Hutchison, W. D. (Essex, Romf'd) Pearson, William G.
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. Penny, Sir George
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Jackson, sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Perkins, Walter R. D.
Dawson, Sir Philip James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Petherick, M.
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Janner, Barnett Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'pt'n, Bilston)
Dickie, John P. Jesson, Major Thomas E. Pickering, Ernest H.
Donner, P. W. Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H.
Drewe, Cedric John, William Price, Gabriel
Duckworth, George A. V. Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Procter, Major Henry Adam
Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Purbrick, R.
Duggan, Hubert John Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Pybus, Percy John
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Raikes, Henry V. A. M.
Eastwood, John Francis Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Ramsay, Alexander (W. Bromwich)
Eden, Robert Anthony Ker, J. Campbell Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Edmondson, Major A. J. Kerr, Hamilton W. Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Edwards, Charles Kirkpatrick, William M. Ramsbotham, Herwald
Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E. Knatchbull, Captain Hon. M. H. R. Ramsden, E.
Ellis, Robert Geoffrey Knebworth, Viscount Rankin, Robert
Elliston, Captain George Sampson Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Rea, Walter Russell
Elmley, Viscount Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Latham, Sir Herbert Paul Reid, James S. C. (Stirling)
Emrys-Evans, P. V. Lawson, John James Rentoul, Sir Gervais S.
Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Leckie, J. A. Renwick, Major Gustav A.
Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) Leighton, Major B. E. P. Reynolds, Col. Sir James Philip
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Leonard, William Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Fermoy, Lord Lewis, Oswald Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Liddall, Walter S. Robinson, John Roland
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Lindsay, Noel Ker Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- Ropner, Colonel L.
Fraser, Captain Ian Little, Graham-, Sir Ernest Rosbotham, S. T.
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Lloyd, Geoffrey Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Ganzoni, Sir John Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd. Gr'n) Rothschild, James A. de
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Gibson, Charles Granville Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. Runge, Norah Cecil
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Lunn, William Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Glossop, C. w. H. Lyons, Abraham Montagu Rutherford, Sir John Hugo
Gluckstein, Louis Halle Mabane, William Salmon, Major Isidore
Glyn, Major Ralph G. C. MacAndrew, Maj. C. G. (Partick) Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Goff, Sir Park MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Goldie, Noel B. McCorquodale, M. S. Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard
Gower, Sir Robert McEntee, Valentine L. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. O.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) McEwen, J. H. F. Savery, Samuel Servington
Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) McKie, John Hamilton Scone, Lord
Graves, Marjorie Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton Selley, Harry R.
Greene, William P. C. McLean, Major Alan Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.) McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar)
Grundy, Thomas W. Macmillan, Maurice Harold Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. Magnay, Thomas Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness)
Gunston, Captain D. W. Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Sinclair, Col. T.(Queen's Unv., Belfast)
Guy, J. C. Morrison Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Skelton, Archibald Noel
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Mander, Geoffrey le M. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Smith, Sir Jonah W. (Barrow-In-F.)
Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Margesson, Capt. Henry David R. Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Hall, Capt. W. D'Arcy (Brecon) Marjoribanks, Edward Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Somerset, Thomas Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Somervell, Donald Bradley Sutcliffe, Harold Wells, Sydney Richard
Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Tate, Mavis Constance Weymouth, Viscount
Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East) Templeton, William P. Whiteside, Borras Noel H.
Soper, Richard Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E. Thompson, Luke Wills, Wilfrid D.
Southby, Commander Archibald R. J. Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L. Thorp, Linton Theodore Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Spencer, Captain Richard A. Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde) Touche, Gordon Cosmo Wise, Alfred R.
Stanley, Hon. O. F. C. (Westmorland) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement Womersley, Walter James
Stones, James Turton, Robert Hugh Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Storey, Samuel Wallace, John (Dunfermline) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
Stourton, Hon. John J. Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Strauss, Edward A. Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G. Lieut.-Colonel Sir A. Lambert Ward
and Mr. Blinded.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Groves, Thomas E. Russell, Hamer Field (Shef'ld, B'tside)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Salter, Dr. Alfred
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Batey, Joseph Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Strickland, Captain W. F.
Boulton, W. W. Hicks, Ernest George Taylor, Vice-Admiral E.A.(P'dd'gt'n, S.)
Boyce, H. Leslie Knox, Sir Alfred Thorne, William James
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. David
Clayton, Dr. George C. Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.)
Daggar, George Nunn, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Peat, Charles U. Mr. Louis Smith and Major
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Remer, John R. Beaumont Thomas.

Motion made, and Question, "That the Chairman do report Progress, and ask leave to sit again," put, and agreed to.—[Captain Margesson.]

Committee report Progress; to sit again To-morrow.

The remaining Orders were read, and postponed.