HC Deb 24 November 1931 vol 260 cc222-7

May I ask a question upon Business before the Motion to suspend the Eleven o'Clock Rule is put? Can the Leader of the House inform us what Business it is proposed to take after eleven o'clock?


Perhaps I may answer that question. If possible, it is proposed to get the remaining stages of the Statute of Westminster Bill and the Educational Endowments (Scotland) Money Resolution. If, as the Debate proceeds, we see that more time is needed for the Statute of Westminster Bill, then inquiries at the Whips' Office will be made. We should like to see what takes place, but at the moment we adhere to the statement which was made yesterday.


Can the Parliamentary Secretary assure us that at any rate the Irish Amendment of importance to the Statute of Westminster Bill will not be taken after eleven o'clock and that he is not seeking to make us go into the Division Lobby in order to make us pass this important Statute after eleven o'clock, because such a procedure, after the strong pledge given by the Solicitor-General, would be highly improper.


As the Prime Minister stated yesterday, there is no intention whatever of asking for a Division at a late hour. Of course, no important Division will be asked for at an unreasonable hour. We must see how the Debate proceeds before we decide what is to be the course of the proceedings.


What is a reasonable hour? Of course, no one would wish to carry the Debate over for the sake of half-an-hour, but what does the hon. and gallant Member mean by reasonable hour?


As I have said, there is no intention by the Prime Minister of asking the House to sit late and take important decisions at an early hour to-morrow morning. We shall have to see how the Debate proceeds, and then, if necessary and representations are made and it is found that the Debate has been protracted, something will be done to accommodate the convenience of Members of the House. There is no intention of asking that an important decision shall be arrived at at some inconvenient hour.


Can my hon. And gallant Friend say whether, if there is any alteration of Business, it will affect the Business set down for to-morrow?


I think we must be allowed to see how the Debate proceeds to-day. In any case, if extra time is to be afforded, I do not see any reason why the Business set down for tomorrow need necessarily be altered. I think the same arrangements could be carried out.


Can the hon. and gallant Member say whether if in any case he intends to go on with the Educational Endowments (Scotland) Money Resolution?


The Report stage of the Money Resolution, as the hon. Gentleman knows, is exempted Business, and we hope, if possible, to get the Report stage of the Financial Resolution to-night.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 404; Noes, 38.

Division No. 18.] AYES. [3.50 p.m.
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Balfour, George (Hampstead) Blaker, Sir Reginald
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Blindell, James
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Balniel, Lord Borodale, Viscount
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M. Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Bossom, A. C.
Albery, Irving James Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Boulton, W. W.
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman {Llverp'l, W.) Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart
Allen, Maj. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd, W) Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Beaumont, R. E. B. (Portsm'th, Centr'l) Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W.
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Beit, Sir Alfred L. Boyce, H. Leslie
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald
Aske, Sir William Robert Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Braithwaite, Maj. A. N. (Yorks, E. R.)
Atkinson, Cyril Bernays, Robert Braithwaite, J, G. (Hillsborough)
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B. Brass, Captain Sir William
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Briscoe, Richard George
Broadbent, Colonel John Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Levy, Thomas
Brockiebank, C. E. R. Ford, Sir Patrick J. Liddall, Walter S.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Fraser, Captain Ian Lister, Rt. Hon. sir Philip Cunliffe-
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Nawb'y) Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick
Browne, Captain A. C. Fuller, Captain A. E. G. Lloyd, Geoffrey
Buchan, John Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd. G'n)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th)
Burghley, Lord Gledhill, Gilbert Lockwood, John C. (Hackney, C.)
Burnett, John George Glossop, C. W. H. Lumley, Captain Lawrence R.
Burton, Colonel Henry Walter Gluckstein, Louis Halle Lyons, Abraham Montagu
Butler, Richard Austen Glyn, Major Ralph G. C. Mabane, William
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Goldle, Noel B. MacAndrew, Maj. C. G. (Partick)
Caine, G. R. Hall Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr)
Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley) Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas McConnell, Sir Joseph
Campbell, Rear-Admt. G. (Burnley) Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.) McCorquodale, M. S.
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Grimston, R. V. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)
Carver, Major William H. Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)
Castiereagh, Viscount Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. McEwen, J. H. F.
Castle Stewart, Earl Gunston, Captain D. W. McKeag, William
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Guy, J. C. Morrison McKie, John Hamilton
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Hales, Harold K. McLean, Major Alan
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgbaston) Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Maclean, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (Corn'll N.)
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Hall, Capt. W. D'Arcy (Brecon) McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)
Chotzner, Alfred James Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Macmillan, Maurice Harold
Christle, James Archibald Hamilton, Sir R. W. (Orkney & Zetl'nd) Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.
Clarke, Frank Hanley, Dennis A. Macquisten, Frederick Alexander
Clarry, Reginald George Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Magnay, Thomas
Clayton, Dr. George C. Harbord, Arthur Maitland, Adam
Clydesdale, Marquess of Hartington, Marquess of Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest
Colfox, Major William Philip Hartland, George A. Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Colville, Major David John Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Conant, R. J. E. Harve,. Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Manningham-Butler, Lt.-Col. Sir M.
Cook, Thomas A. Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Margesson, Capt. Henry David R.
Cooke, James D. Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Marsden, Commander Arthur
Cooper, A. Duff Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Martin, Thomas B.
Copeland, Ida Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John M.
Courtauld, Major John Sewell Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Meller, Richard James
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Mills, Sir Frederick
Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry Hepworth, Joseph Milne, Charles
Craven-Ellis, William Herbert, George (Rotherham) Milne, John Sydney Wardlaw-
Crooke, J. Smedley Hillman, Dr. George B. Mitchell, Harold P. (Br'tf'd & Chlsw'k)
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Crookshank, Capt, H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Holdsworth, Herbert Mitcheson, G. G.
Crossley, A. C. Hope, Capt. Arthur O. J. (Aston) Molson, A. Harold Elsdale
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Hopkinson, Austin Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr)
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Hore-Belisha, Leslie Morgan, Robert H.
Curry, A. C. Hornby, Frank Morris, John Patrick (Salford, N.)
Dalkeith, Earl of Horobin, Ian M. Morris, Owen Temple (Cardiff, E.)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Horsbrugh, Florence Morris, Rhys Hopkin (Cardigan)
Davison, Sir William Henry Howard, Tom Forrest Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Dawson, Sir Philip Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Moss, Captain H. J.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Hume, Sir George Hopwood Muirhead, Major A. J.
Denville, Alfred Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Munro, Patrick
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Nall-Cain, Arthur Ronald N.
Dickie, John P. Hurd, Percy A. Nathan, Major H. L.
Donner, P. W. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Doran, Edward Hutchison, Maj.-Gen. sir R. (Montr'se) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)
Drewe, Cedric Hutchison, w. D. (Essex, Romf'd) Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Peters'fld)
Duckworth, George A. V. Inskip, Sir Thomas W. H. North, Captain Edward T.
Dugdale, Captain Thomas Llonel Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Nunn, William
Duggan, Hubert John James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Oman, sir Charles William C.
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Jamieson, Douglas Ormiston, Thomas
Dunglass, Lord Jesson, Major Thomas E. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.
Eady, George H. Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Owen, Major Goronwy
Eden, Robert Anthony Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan) Palmer, Francis Noel
Edge, Sir William Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Patrick, Colin M.
Edmondson, Major A, J. Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Peake, Captain Osbert
Elliot, Major Walter E. Ker, J. Campbell Pearson, William G.
Ellis, Robert Geoffrey Kerr, Hamilton W. Peat, Charles U.
Elliston, Captain George Sampson Kimball, Lawrence Penny, Sir George
Elmley, Viscount Kirkpatrick, William M. Petherick, M.
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Knatchbull, Captain Hon. M. H. R. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Knebworth, viscount Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'pt'n, Bliston)
Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) Knight, Holford Pickering, Ernest H.
Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, s.) Knox, Sir Alfred Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Pike, Cecil F.
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Potter, John
Everard, W. Lindsay Latham, Sir Herbert Paul Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Law, Sir Alfred Power, Sir John Cecil
Ferguson, Sir John Law, Richard K. (Hull, S.W.) Pownall, Sir Assheton
Fermoy, Lord Leckie, J. A. Procter, Major Henry Adam
Flanagan, W. H. Leech, Dr. J. W. Pybus, Percy John
Fleming, Edward Lascelles Lees-Jones, John Ramsay, Alexander (W. Bromwich)
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Leighton, Major B. E. P. Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Shepperson, Sir Ernest W. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Ramsbotham, Herswald Simmonds, Oliver Edwin Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)
Ramsden, E. Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness) Todd, A. L. S. (Kingswinford)
Rankin, Robert Skelton, Archibald Noel Train, John
Ratcliffe, Arthur Smiles, Lieut.-Col. sir Walter D. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Rathbone, Eleanor Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Rawson, Sir Cooper Smith-Carington, Neville W. Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Somerset, Thomas Wallace, John (Dunfermline)
Reid, David D. (County Down) Somervell, Donald Bradley Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Reid, James S. C. (Stirling) Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Reid, William Allan (Derby) Soper, Richard Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Remer, John R. Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E, Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Rentoul, Sir Gervais S. Southby, Commander Archibald R. J. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U. Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L. Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Roberts, Aled (Wrexham) Spencer, Captain Richard A. Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. Wells, Sydney Richard
Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde) Weymouth, Viscount
Ropner, Colonel L. Stanley, Hon. O. F. C. (Westmorland) White, Henry Graham
Ross Taylor, Waller (Woodbridge) Steel- Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur Whiteside, Borras Noel H.
Ruggles-Brise, Colonel E. A. Stevenson, James Whyte, Jardine Bell
Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Stewart, William J. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Runge, Norah Cecil Stones, James Wills, Wilfrid D.
Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Storey, Samuel Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Stourton, John J. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Russell,Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tside) Strickland, Captain W. F. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Wise, Alfred R.
Salmon, Major Isidore Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F. Withers, Sir John James
Salt, Edward W. Summersby, Charles H. Womersley, Walter James
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A. (Pd'gt'n, S.) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Templeton, William P. Wood, Major M. McKenzie (Banff)
Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Thorn, Lieut.-Colonel John Gibb Worthington, Dr. John V.
Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
Savery, Samuel Servington Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford) Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Scone, Lord Thomas, Major J. B. (King's Norton)
Shakespeare, Geoffrey H, Thompson, Luke TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) Thornson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Sir Frederick Thomson and Mr. Russell Rea.
Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar) Thorp, Linton Theodore
Attlee, Clement Richard Grundy, Thomas w. McGovern, John
Batey, Joseph Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Maxton, James
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Buchanan, George Healy, Cahir Parkinson, John Allen
Cape, Thomas Hicks, Ernest George Price, Gabriel
Cove, William G. Hirst, George Henry Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cripps, Sir Stafford Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Tinker, John Joseph
Daggar, George Kirkwood, David Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. David
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lawson, John James Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Devlin, Joseph Leonard, William
Duncan, Charles (Derby, Claycross) Logan, David Gilbert TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Edwards, Charles Lunn, William Mr. Duncan Graham and Mr. John.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)

Question, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill," put, and agreed to.