HC Deb 17 June 1931 vol 253 cc1863-93
Captain BOURNE

I beg to move, in page 27, line 12, to leave out the words farmhouse, that is to say a. I have a consequential Amendment two lines later to leave out the word "the" and to insert "any." If these Amendments were carried, the definition of agricultural land would read: 'Agricultural land' means land and buildings with respect to which, by reason of Sub-section (2) of Section sixty-seven of the Local Government Act, 1929, no particulars are included in any valuation list, or which are deemed under that Sub-section to have no rateable value for the purposes of the list, but also includes any house occupied in connection with such land as aforesaid and used as the dwelling-house of any person who is primarily engaged in carrying on or directing agricultural operations on that land. I apologise for moving a manuscript Amendment, but it is really substantially the same as one that I have down which, owing to technical reasons and to the operation of the Guillotine, is actually out of order at the present stage. I put it down as consequential on one which we had hoped to discuss on Clause 14, and I move it now in manuscript form in order to raise the same point. In the case of agricultural land, the cultivation value has to be deducted from the site value in order to arrive at the improvement value, if any, which is assessable to tax. It is a somewhat complicated operation. In this definition a farm in most cases, unless it has a farmhouse, has really very little cultivation value. I wish to suggest that, in considering cultivation value, it is extremely important to regard a farmhouse as not properly equipped unless it has not only a residence for the farmer but those cottages which are necessary for carrying on the work. A large farm which has not cottages on it is not really of very great value for cultivation purposes. There are certain cottages which are absolutely essential if a farm is to be carried on successfully. You must have a cottage for your cowman, because he has to work at all hours of the day and night, especially when the cows are calving, when he may have to be up all night for possibly two or three nights running. Unless he can live within very close proximity it is impossible to get a man to undertake the work, and I do not wonder at it. A wagoner starts work very early in the morning. He has to collect the horses and see that they are harnessed, and they have to be groomed and watered, and he must live very near if he is going to do his job successfully. It is a heavy strain on the men who do this work, and they are paid more highly than the ordinary agricultural labourer.

Mr. JAMES HUDSON

Not very much.

Captain BOURNE

In many cases it amounts to a good deal in the course of a year. They get their cottages rent free and have their wood and coal, and a good many items come in to make up their wages. If they are not paid in cash, it is often because it is mutually convenient to pay part of the extra allowances in kind. No tenant would be willing to rent a farm which has not the necessary cottages on it and, without them, a farm is not properly equipped. These cottages form a very material part of the cultivation value, and they are as essentially a part of the cultivation value as is the farmhouse itself. If the Government mean to deal honestly with the agricultural problem, these cottages must be taken into account. Under the Bill I understand that every separate farm in separate occupation will have to be valued as a land unit. It is open to the Commissioners of Inland Revenue—and against that, in the Bill as at present drawn, there is no appeal—to say that a prudent vendor would sell the estate as a whole, and not in parts.

If there is one thing on an estate which is more important than another, it is the provision of sufficient and good properties for the agricultural labourers. I can speak of this matter with some knowledge. One of the things which every estate owner knows, and everybody who has ever owned agricultural land knows, is that you have to build and maintain a requisite number of cottages for the agricultural labourers, and do so at a completely uneconomic rent. These cottages rarely fetch more than 3s. a week, which, I believe, is the maximum allowed under the Agricultural Wages Board. Many of them let at far lower rents than that. They are not an economic property. If you change a tenant, more than one year's rent disappears altogether simply on doing up the cottage for another man. You lose from one to two year's rent repeatedly. Those cottages are not there for the purpose of enriching the landowner, but as part of the necessary-equipment of an estate. Without them an estate could not be worked. I submit that those cottages are just as much a part of the cultivation value as are the farmhouses which the Government have already omitted. It is for this reason that I urge the Committee to accept the Amendment.

Sir BASIL PETO

As one would expect, we have had from the hon. and gallant Member for Oxford (Captain Bourne), who knows the subject of agriculture and the needs of agriculture from A to Z, a speech in favour of the Amendment which leaves comparatively little to be said in support of it by any other Member. I support it most heartily and commend it to the learned Solicitor-General. I believe that if he has had connection with the land and with rural cottages, he will probably agree with me that it is inconceivable to imagine a cultivation value of a unit of land, if it is in the nature of a farm, which is not equipped with everything necessary to carry on cultivation. The definition which exempts the farmhouse is a recognition of the principle that cultivable land is not cultivable unless it is equipped with a farmhouse; otherwise it would not have a cultivation value. The Amendment is designed to show—and I think it effectively shows—that that equally applies to the essential cottages required for the occupation of the people who, equally with the farmer, can be described as primarily engaged in carrying on or directing the agricultural operations on that land. That being so, we have, in dealing with this question, to consider the farm land as a unit. We have the phrase, "land unit," running through the Bill. If you are dealing with a unit which is cultivable, it must be a unit equipped with the necessary buildings—not only the farmhouse, but cottages as well. Wherever they may be situated within reach of the cultivable unit, they must also be taken into account. The hon. and gallant Member for Oxford referred to two or three cottages being immediately and closely connected with the particular land unit, and in case the Solicitor-General points out in his reply that the Amendment would carry us further, I frankly admit that it would. It says, when you leave out the words proposed to be left out, "any house occupied in connection with such land." That may include a house occupied in connection with the land even if the house is in a neighbouring village. If such a house is occupied in connection with the cultivation of the land, and is a house essential to carrying on the industry of agriculture in a particular unit, I hold that we are perfectly right in asking that it should be omitted from the reckoning of the land value.

A great deal has been said from time to time about the question of tied cottages. If hon. Members will excuse my saying so, I think that a great deal of what has been said has really been the most arrant nonsense. There is no question, if a farm is a unit and must be equipped with cottages, if it must have those cottages exclusively for the occupation of the people engaged upon the farm, that it is equally to the advantage of the men carrying on farming occupations, the farmer, and the cottagers or farm labourers. I believe that that fact is recognised throughout the country. I say frankly, and I am not at all afraid to say so, that this exempts from land tax what are practically the tied cottages of the farmer. The tied cottages of the farmer are essential to the cultivation of the farm and ought to be exempt from land tax in this connection.

Usually the first line of argument of anyone in charge of Treasury questions on a Finance Bill is that a concession would cost too much. I suggest to the learned Solicitor-General—and I am sure that he is conscious of the fact—that this harmless, innocent and necessary Amendment will really cost him practically nothing at all. These are, in the nature of the case, cottages upon minor land units, if they are detached from the farm, and therefore the inclusion of cottages outside the actual area of the farm, in respect of which my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Oxford is especially pleading, can certainly be included without costing the Treasury a farthing. It is inconceivable that these individual cottages are likely, even if they are somewhere within the reach of many of the centres which are develop- ing, to be upon a site which will exceed £120 in capital land value. Therefore, I commend the Amendment to the Committee, first because the definition of agricultural land as the Clause stands is incomplete if it includes only the farmhouse and excludes the equally essential cottages, and secondly because the Amendment can be accepted by the Government without interfering with the prospective return of their tax in an infinitesimal degree.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

The scope of the Amendment is, I think, a little wider than the hon. Baronet who has just spoken would have us believe. Clearly, it would cover the mansion house which is occupied where there is a farm, and that would not be in accordance with the wishes of the Committee. Moreover, the difficulty to which the hon. Baronet drew attention is, of course, a very real one. You would have claims for the inclusion of sites of cottages a mile or two miles off, and the valuer would not have the task of valuing as a single unit a farm in one place, but perhaps two or three cottage sites dotted about the country in other places. That would be introducing a great difficulty, because it is very difficult for the valuer to value as a single unit land which is not even contiguous but separated in several different places.

There is another point which, I think, hon. Members have not realised. We are not here dealing with the question of cottages but with sites, and the site value of cottages really is nothing much on an agricultural farm. It does not matter where you put the cottages on the farm or somewhere near the farmhouse, for if one is dealing with it as a site, it does not really make any great burden on the farmer if he has to pay on that site at all. Of course, the hon. Baronet has pointed out that, in a number of cases where the farms themselves are excluded, the sites of the cottages would not amount to more than ten shillings, if that. There is a further point. This question, of course, arose in a different form upon the De-rating Bill, and in that case cottages were not exempted. They were not de-rated, and the criterion, therefore, was a very different one, because there you were dealing not only with the site, which is comparatively valueless, but with the build- ings which have more value. Hon. Gentlemen opposite, when they were dealing with cottages, thought it was right to continue the rates upon them, although they discontinued the rates upon the land. Now we have gone rather further in favour of the landowners, because we have included the sites of farmhouses which were not included in the De-rating Bill. The question of going further still and including the sites of cottages which might be removed considerable distances from the unit of which they were assumed to be part, would create difficulty and would not, in our view, result in any real advantage to anyone. In view of the form of this Amendment especially, and the fact that it would include such things as mansion houses as well, it is impossible for me to accept it.

Earl WINTERTON

I hope that we shall get the next Amendment in regard to roads before the Guillotine falls. The argument which the Solicitor-General used in the closing words of his speech is a disingenuous one. I do not see that he can draw any fair comparison between what occurred under the De-rating Bill and this Bill, and for this reason. There is a vast difference between the intention in the two cases, and not only the intention but the action. I am surprised that the hon. and learned Gentleman, with his acute dialectical skill, used such an argument. The De-rating Bill removed from agriculture one of the heaviest burdens which it can bear. This Bill, on the contrary, is going to place additional burden upon agriculture. Agriculture generally is going to bear a vastly increased burden, far heavier than the Government will admit, and we say that this burden should be removed as it would be if we were to pass this Amendment.

I would point out that, under the last Government of hon. Gentlemen opposite, a committee was appointed to inquire into agricultural conditions, and it reported that the conditions of the British agricultural labourer in regard to pay, housing and otherwise were better than in any other country in Europe. A most important part of the internal economy of agriculture is this system by which agricultural labourers are enabled to occupy houses far below their letting value. The Committee can have no conception of the extent to which that pre- vails in the South of England. I have cottages letting at three shillings a week to agricultural labourers, and if I chose to turn them out, as I am sorry to say some of my neighbours have done, I could let those cottages at from 12s. to l5s. a week as week-end cottages or permanent residences. The agricultural labourer gets a great advantage in this way. It is only just that these cottages should be regarded as part of the equipment of the land. That is what we are asking in this Amendment.

The Solicitor-General, who has not shown quite as much knowledge of this subject as of other agricultural subjects, suggested that in any case the site value of the cottages would be very small. That is not so, for in some cases it is considerable. The site value in many cases will be appreciable, and it will form a heavy burden on the owner in proportion to the rent paid. Without this Amendment an appreciable burden will be placed on agriculture. It is not right that this should be done, and whatever hon. Gentlemen opposite may like to say about landlords and farmers, on the admission of their own committee, agricultural labourers in this country have better houses and food than in any country in Europe.

Sir JOSEPH LAMB

When the Solicitor-General stated that the Amendment as now drawn would include mansion houses, I think he must have been under some misapprehension. As I read the Bill, it will mean: any …. house occupied in connection with such land as aforesaid and Used as the dwelling-house of the person who is primarily engaged in carrying on or directing agricultural operations on that land. It cannot be assumed that the mansion in which the owner of the estate lives would be included in that definition. The argument put forward by my Noble Friend about cottages being necessary equipment of the land is, I think, conclusive. The principle has already been accepted in regard to the Rent Restrictions Acts, for a man can obtain possession of cottages for an employé, without having to go to court, simply by obtaining from the agricultural officer of the county a statement or certificate that the house is requisite for the cultivation of the land. That was an admission of the principle that these cottages are neces- sary for the proper working of the land. Undoubtedly, where there is stock on the farm, it is absolutely impossible to manage the farm adequately unless the men are living adjacent to their work. It is not only in the interests of agriculture and the owners of stock, but in the interest of the workers themselves. It is obvious that if a man has to keep long hours, such as are, unfortunately, necessary in an agricultural occupation, it is essential he should not have to walk a long distance early in the morning and late at night.

There is also the question of the midday meal. Men do not often get the opportunity of having a hot meal at midday unless they live adjacent to their work. That is another reason why it is essential in the interests of the men that these cottages should be in close proximity to their work. There is also the protection of the crops on the farm which makes it essential that the men should live fairly adjacent to their work. There is nothing so open to the depredation—I do not use the word unkindly—of other people as the crops grown in agriculture, because they are widely spread. There is also the danger of fire which makes it essential that you should have at close call sufficient help when emergency arises. It is necessary not only that the cottages should be in close proximity to the mens' work, but that there should be an adequate supply of houses in the neighbourhood, but, unfortunately, owing to the difficulty of building in rural areas as against building in the more populous industrial areas the housing accommodation in rural areas is not adequate. That means that if the house is not on the farm the men have to travel very long distances to and from their work. The arguments which have been put forward in the interests, not only of agriculture and the cultivation of the land, but in the interests of the workers themselves ought to lead the Solicitor-General to accept the Amendment.

Lieut.-Colonel Sir G. COURTHOPE

There was one point made by the Solicitor-General which I cannot allow to pass unnoticed. He gave as one of the reasons for refusing to accept the Amendment that it would complicate valuations. Surely, his resistance of it will complicate valuations. The simple farm valuation is to include in the unit of land everything that is in the schedule of the one tenancy. If the valuer is to exclude cottages from inclusion in the schedule of the tenancy it will be a much more complicated affair than including everything within the same tenancy. To that fallacy in the Solicitor-General's statement I wished to draw attention. I would also ask the hon. and learned Member to consider what will be the inevitable result of this decision, assuming that the Bill reaches the Statute Book in its present form. My Noble Friend the Member for Horsham (Earl Winterton) has told the Committee what is perfectly true that in many parts of the country it is easy to get a very much higher rent for a cottage than those who consider the equipment of their holdings are able to get.

Hon. Members will find all through the home counties and in the neighbourhood of populous centres frequent instances of cottages let at 12s., 15s., 18s. or even 20s. a week, while precisely similar cottages close by are let at 2s. to 3s. to agricultural workers, not because higher rents are unobtainable but because the cottages are essential as part of the equipment of the farm. You cannot run a farm without them. If you put a tax upon these essential cottages—the stockman's house, the wagoner's house, the shepherd's house—on the basis of the value of similar cottages close by, which are not required for farm use, you will inevitably tend to withdraw these essential cottages and consequently essential men from the cultivation of the farm, and you may do unutterable injury to the industry of agriculture.

Mr. PRICE

I cannot subscribe to the view that if farmers are deprived of some of their cottages the land still has no value. While I agree that it is essential on a stock farm to have cottages for the men who look after the stock, I know of a good many farms where one or two of the cottages outside the village are let to townspeople at high rents while one cottage perhaps is retained by the farmer for his man. By no means is it the ease that all these cottages are let to agricultural labourers or to those directly attached to the farm. I see no reason whatever for the Solicitor-General to alter his attitude on this matter. I do not see that there will be any site value attached to the cottages on the farm except possibly on those that may be outside a village or outside a rural provincial town where it is conceivable a very small tax might be placed. In regard to the majority of cases cited by the hon. and gallant Member for Oxford (Captain Bourne) I cannot conceive that on the type of cottage attached to the farm and required for the stockman and the wagoner a site value tax would in any case be imposed.

Sir A. STEEL-MAITLAND

I should be glad if the Solicitor-General would reconsider this matter, which is very important. Its importance is not so much a question of site value. We desire that the cultivation value should be increased, because if so there is a bigger deduction from the land value.

The SOLICITOR - GENERAL

That would not come in here. If it is put in here it will come both in the land value and the cultivation value. That would have to be an Amendment to Clause 8. It cannot come in here. I will consider the point whether we can do anything in Clause 8 as regards agricultural buildings to extend it to include cottages.

Captain BOURNE

In view of the last statement by the Solicitor-General I beg leave to withdraw the Amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

I beg to move, in page 28, line 1, after the word underlease," to insert the words "or other tenancy.

This Amendment is moved in order to extend the definition of the lease to include as well as the underlease, "any other tenancy." Two consequential Amendments will follow.

Captain BOURNE

May I take it that this Amendment will bring an agricultural contract of tenancy within the terms of Clause 21?

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

Yes.

Amendment agreed to.

Further Amendments made: In page 28, line 2, leave out the word "or."

In line 2, after the word "underlease," insert the words "or tenancy."—[The Solicitor-General.]

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

I beg to move, in line 7, after the word "authority," to insert the words: and includes the corporation for which any such body acts for executive purposes. This Amendment is to meet the case of the Corporation of the City of London. As the words stand they would not cover the case of the Corporation of London as they manage their lands through the Common Lands Council.

Amendment agreed to.

Colonel WEDGWOOD

I beg to move, in line 13, to leave out the words "or by surface."

This is an Amendment which relates to the definition of minerals. As the definition now reads it says: 'Minerals' includes all minerals and substances in or under land of a kind ordinarily worked for removal by underground or by surface working: I propose to leave out the words "or by surface," and it would then be confined to those minerals which are ordinarily worked for removal by underground working. The Amendment, if accepted, would define minerals as those which are got by underground working, such as iron and coal, and would exclude sand, gravel, stone and clay. I hope the Government will be able to accept it because it is quite impossible to value land if you exclude from the substances you are valuing everything beneath the surface. The definition in the Bill is so wide that it must necessarily include gravel, stone, sand and clay, but land is never sold without those elements in the land being sold at the same time. Therefore, if you are going to value with these substances removed from consideration you involve yourself in a purely hypothetical valuation. The transactions which have taken place in land, all registered at Somerset House, will be of no guidance to valuers if minerals of this sort are exempt from valuation.

I am not in the least wedded to this form of words, but what we need is a valuation which will work, something which clearly defines what the Government intend and a much narrower definition of minerals. Probably a better form of words would be to include as minerals those minerals which are included under the Mineral Eights Duty. That would be a definite, legal and accepted distinction between the minerals that we feel ought to be excluded from land value and those other substances which are so incalculable. If clay, for instance, is excluded from the land value the tax will have no tendency to force clay beds into the market and secure their development. One of the most serious rings hampering the building of houses to-day is the brick and tile ring, and if we could, by a tax upon the value of the clay which is not worked, force these clay beds into the market there would be an increase in the competition in the production of bricks, the ring would be broken and prices would come down. This is important from the point of view of the pottery trade, but it is far more important from the point of view of the building trade. It is the same in regard to stone and other materials used in the making of roads. The development of our roads depends on getting these semi-minerals at a cheap price and in large quantities. If you exempt them from the tax and say that the owner of sand or gravel and stone is to be exempt, thereby encourage him to keep his minerals from use, you are putting an additional charge on the public for the construction of roads.

The main point in the Amendment is to get something which is far more workable than the definition in the Bill. If any valuation is to carry with it the confidence of the public it must be a valuation which can be checked by the public. A great deal was said on the Second Reading of the Bill as to the desirability of publicity in regard to this valuation, but it is no good having publicity for a valuation which represents nothing in actual fact. One owner cannot compare his valuation with that of a neighbouring valuation so long as you have such a hypothetical valuation as this. What would my land be worth if there were no gravel underneath. I know it would be worth much less. I know that I have paid for the gravel. He may say: "What would be the value of my land without stone. I do not know, but, obviously, it would be much less." Obviously the valuation will be no check as to the value of any neigh- bouring land if it is a valuation which excludes these elements which are taken into account in every sale and purchase of land. The Chancellor of the Exchequer promised that he would have this matter looked into, and I hope that we shall now get a clearer definition, which can only help the valuation as well as those who need this type of raw material.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

This matter has been carefully considered, as my right hon. Friend promised, and we are unable to see our way to make any considerable alteration in the definition as it now stands. It will be noticed that the exemption under Clause 8 is the value of the minerals as such, that is to say, the value of the minerals as something you can get in or under the land. If the word "surface" is left out it would leave this position, that where minerals are got by underground working they would be excluded, and if they are got by surface working they would be included. That is a position, obviously, without any logic behind it, because coal may be got by surface working—

Colonel WEDGWOOD

The definition says "ordinarily worked."

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

Take stone. In the district where I live half of the stone is got by surface working and half by underground working, quarrying. Obviously, it would be quite illogical to include that which was got by surface working and not that got by quarrying. But the real answer is that we desire to exclude the value of minerals altogether in order to simplify the valuation. We do not want to have to inquire, for instance in the southern part of London, whether there is a gravel pit under each house, and, if so, how much undeveloped gravel there is there to be included in the valuation. We want to take the sites as they are. I do not think my right hon. and gallant Friend is quite accurate in saying that in every case, or even in many cases where land is sold, account is taken of the gravel or sand underneath. It is only in exceptional cases, such as some of the South London fields, where land is regarded in that way. I have had a great deal of experience of valuations around a great many of the big cities of this country, and I have only once or twice heard it suggested that the value for compensation purposes, where the value has been put as high as possible, should include anything underneath. That was the case at Dagenham. I think my right hon. and gallant Friend can rest assured that we have done what we think is best in order to make the valuation efficient and practicable.

Colonel WEDGWOOD

I am most dissatisfied with the Solicitor-General's reply, which seems to me to be based on an entire fallacy. The hon. and learned Gentleman says he has never had a case in any valuation of a value being put on the subsoil. That is true, but here, under this valuation, you have to take account of it. Here it is obviously to the interest of the landlord to value his land as low as possible in order to avoid tax. The landlord for the first time will get values put in based upon the deduction of these minerals. And you have nothing on which to go. There have been no cases in which land has been sold without the subsoil. For the first time you are asked to value without the subsoil, and you will find it much more difficult to do. When the Solicitor-General says that these things have to be included, I say that the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his speech stated that the reason why minerals were excluded from the valuation was that the Labour party proposed to nationalise minerals. Do they propose to nationalise gravel, and sand and clay and leave the surface in private ownership? There has never been any suggestion of the sort. Therefore the Solicitor-General's argument on the major case falls to the ground.

Amendment negatived.

Earl WINTERTON

I beg to move, in page 28, line 20, to leave out from the word "which "to the end of line 25, and to insert instead thereof the words: has been constructed by the occupier or his predecessors in title. 10.0 p.m.

I want to deal very shortly with this point, and I hope that the Solicitor-General will be sympathetic to it, because it is a point that is vital to agriculture in some parts of the country. One can only speak from one's own experience in those parts of the country with which one is familiar. I apologise for again mentioning cases which have come under my personal cognisance in that part of the country which I represent and where I live. In the Clause the word "lane" is included. In the South of England there are many lanes which are rights of way in the full sense of the term. There are rights of way for vehicles, foot passengers and horsemen. So long as they remain unmetalled lanes, which a great many of them are, they will not give any site value to the land through which they pass, but in many cases, particularly in recent years, owing to the fact that farmers in these days are more exigeant than they used to be, owing to the farmers' demand for facilities to get to and from their houses, these lanes have been metalled and have been turned into roads.

Manifestly the land over which there has been a right of way, but which has not been used except occasionally by foot passengers, owing to the state of the road, when it has been metalled has still a right of way which is used to get to the farm. Therefore it is not excluded by the provision that it is open only to the occupier, because this would be a [...]ight of way for all vehicles. What happens in cases of that kind? Immediately the value of the land on each side of this road will undoubtedly go up for building purposes. But the landlord has no intention of selling it. The farmer intends to treat it as agricultural land. Two things happen: The landlord or the farmer has improved what I may call the equipment of the agricultural value of the land by turning an impassable lane into a metalled road. But he has done so without any desire or ulterior object of improving the site value of the land. Cases of that sort are to be found in all parts of the South of England near towns. In Sussex there is hardly a bit of road which has not probably got some building value. It is not fair that the owner or the owner-occupier using the land for purely agricultural purposes should be taxed. That is the object of the Amendment.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

I am not quite certain of the exact type of case which the Amendment has in mind. There is the road known as the occupation road on the farm, and one which is solely for the use of the farm. Of course that does not mean that people who want to go to see the farmer do not drive along the road. If that is the type that the Noble Lord has in mind—

Earl WINTERTON

I did not explain as clearly or concisely as I should have done. What I have in mind is a case where there is a right of way over the lane for all vehicles, that is to say, open to the public. That right of way is not used while the lane is still a lane and before it is metalled, for the simple reason that in winter it is impassable owing to the wet, and in summer owing to the ruts. The owner-occupier of the farm adjoining the land decides to turn the lane into a metalled road. It then becomes a public road. It is not and never has been a road used only by the occupier. It has always been open to the public, but, by virtue of the fact that it has been made a metalled road, the public proceed to use it, not for the purpose of getting to the farm, but, generally, and therefore it is not excluded.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

I agree that that case is not excluded. I am sorry that I misunderstood the Noble Lord. In that case the road would, presumably, be reparable by the inhabitants at large.

Earl WINTERTON

No, it is not so.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

Then I am not quite certain what type of road it is.

Earl WINTERTON

I am sorry to interrupt again, but I can give a personal instance of a road of that kind which is maintained by me. I took counsel's opinion as to whether I could compel the local authority to take it over, and I was informed that there was no power to do so.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

That would be a case in which an easement had been granted to the public many years ago by the Noble Lord's predecessors in title.

Earl WINTERTON

Not an easement.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

It must be an easement. That is the description of the right of the public to pass over the land. Apparently the public have the right to pass over the land in this case. I am assuming that the Noble Lord does not mean to shut up the road on one day in each year or anything of that sort. It is a public right of way over the Noble Lord's land and he or someone else has metalled that road, much to the benefit of the public. That road does not differ essentially in character from any other road which the public have the right to use and I do not think it would be practicable to try to distinguish the instance of a road of that sort, from the instance of a road which is reparable by the inhabitants at large or a road belonging to a public authority. There are many such lanes. There was one which I remember down at Morden—now in the middle of the London County Council's housing estate—which was known as Love Lane. It was a green. secluded lane going down the side of a hill and was not

metalled. But it was, I believe, largely used by the public. That did not entitle the owner of the land on either side of the road to claim that it was a special sort of road. It was just the same sort of road as other roads though possibly it had some special characteristics. I do not think that any case has been made out by the Noble Lord as regards special treatment for that type of road.

Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 275; Noes, 157.

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Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Dukes, C. Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford)
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Duncan, Charles Kelly, W. T.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Ede, James Chuter Kennedy, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Altchison, Rt. Han. Cragle M. Edmunds, J. E. Kirkwood, D.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro) Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Knight, Holford
Alpass, J. H. Egan, W. H. Lang, Gordon
Ammon, Charles George Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George
Angell, Sir Norman Foot, Isaac Lathan, G. (Sheffield, Park)
Arnott, John Freeman, Peter Law, Albert (Bolton)
Aske, Sir Robert Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Law, A. (Rossendale)
Attlee, Clement Richard Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.) Lawrence, Susan
Ayles, walter George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea) Lawson, John James
Barnes, Alfred John Gill, T. H. Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)
Barr, James Gillett, George M. Leach, W.
Batey, Joseph Glassey, A. E. Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.)
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Gossling, A. S. Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)
Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Gould, F. Lees, J.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Leonard, W.
Benson, G. Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Lloyd, C. Ellis
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Gray, Milner Logan, David Gilbert
Blinded, James Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Coins). Longbottom, A. W.
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Longden, F.
Bowen, J. W. Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) Lovat-Fraser, J. A.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Lunn, William
Broad, Francis Alfred Groves, Thomas E. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)
Brockway, A. Fenner Grundy, Thomas W. MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)
Bromfield, William Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness)
Bromley, J. Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) McElwee, A.
Brothers, M. Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.) McEntee, V. L.
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shottleston)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Harbord, A. MacLaren, Andrew
Buchanan, G. Hardie, David (Rutherglen) MacNeill-Weir, L.
Burgess, F. G. Hardie, G. D. (Springburn) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton)
Burgin, Dr. E. L. Harris, Percy A. Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Hastings, Dr. Somerville Manning, E. L.
Caine, Hall-, Derwent Hayes, John Henry Mansfield, W.
Cameron, A. G. Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) March, S.
Cape, Thomas Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Marcus, M.
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Markham, S. F.
Charleton, H. C. Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Marley, J.
Chater, Daniel Herriotts, J. Marshall, Fred
Church, Major A. G. Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Mathers, George
Clarke, J. S. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Matters, L. W.
Cluse, W. S. Hoffman, P. C. Maxton, James
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Hollins, A. Messer, Fred
Cooks, Frederick Seymour Hopkin, Daniel Middleton, G.
Cove, William G. Hore-Belisha, Leslie. Mills, J. E.
Cowan, D. M. Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Milner, Major J.
Cripps, Sir Stafford Hunter, Dr. Joseph Montague, Frederick
Daggar, George Isaacs, George Morgan, Dr. H B.
Dallas, George Jenkins, Sir William Morley, Ralph
Dalton, Hugh John, William (Rhondda, West) Morris, Rhys Hopkins
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery) Johnston, Rt. Hon. Thomas Morris-Jones. Dr. J. H (Denbigh)
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd) Jones, Llewellyn-, F. Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney. S)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughten) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N)
Day, Harry Jones, Rt. Hon Leif (Camborne) Mort, D. L.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Muff, G.
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston) Muggeridge, H. T
Murnin, Hugh Samuel, H. walter (Swansea, west) Tinker, John Joseph
Nathan, Major H. L. Sanders, W. S. Toole, Joseph
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Sandham, E. Tout, W. J.
Noel Baker, P. J. Sawyer, G. F. Townend, A. E.
Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N,) Sexton, Sir James Vaughan, David
Oldfield, J. R. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Viant, S. P.
Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Walkden, A. Q.
Oliver, P. M. (Man. Blackley) Sherwood, G. H. Walker, J.
Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon) Shield, George William Wallace, H. W.
Palin, John Henry Shillaker, J. F. Watkins, F. C.
Palmer, E. T. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Simmons, C. J. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Perry, S. F. Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness) Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Sinkinson, George Wellock, Wilfred
Phillips, Dr. Marlon Sitch, Charles H. Weish, James (Paisley)
Picton-Turbervill, Edith Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) West, F. R.
Pole, Major D. a. Smith, Frank (Nuneaton) Westwood, Joseph
Potts, John S. Smith, Lees-, Rt. Hon. H. B. (Keighley) Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Price, M. P. Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Pybus, Percy John Smith, Tom (Pontefract) Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Quibell, D. J. K. Smith, W. R. (Norwich) Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Ramsay, T. B. Wilson Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Raynes, W. R. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Richards, R. Sorensen, R. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Richardeon, R. (Houghton-le-spring) Stamford, Thomas W. Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Stephen, Campbell Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Strauss, G. R. Winterton, G. E.(Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Ritson, J. Sullivan, J. Wise, E. F.
Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Sutton, J. E. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Rom[...]ril, H. G. Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Rosbotham, D. S. T. Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Rowson, Guy Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury) Thurtle, Ernest Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. Paling.
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Tillett, Ban
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Mason, Colonel Glyn K.
Albery, Irving James Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Dawson, Sir Philip Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S.
Atholl, Duchess of Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.
Atkinson, C. Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Edmondson, Major A. J. Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)
Balniel, Lord Elliot, Major walter E. Muirhead, A. J.
Beaumont, M. W. Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston- S-M.) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (ptrsf'ld)
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Everard, W. Lindsay O'Connor, T. J.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Falle, Sir Bertram G. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Boothby, R. J. G. Ferguson, Sir John O'Neill, Sir H.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Fermoy, Lord Peaks, Capt. Osbert
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Forestler-Walker, Sir L. Penny, Sir George
Bracken, B. Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Ganzonl, Sir John Perkins, W. R. D.
Briscoe, Richard George Gau[...]t, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Broadbent, Colonel J. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Pownall, Sir Assheton
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Gower, Sir Robert Ramsbatham, H.
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Remer, John R.
Buchan, John Greaves-Lord, Sir walter Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Burton, Colonel H. W. Gunston, Captain D. W. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Butler, R. A. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Campbell, E. T. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Ross, Ronald D.
Carver, Major W. H. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cattle Stewart, Earl of Haslam, Henry C. Salmon, Major I.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd, Henley) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Chapman, Sir S. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Savery, S. S.
Christie, J. A. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney. N.) Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittom[...]
Clydesdale, Marquess of Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hurd, Percy A. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Cohen, Major J. Brunei Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Colfox, Major William Philip Inskip, Sir Thomas Smithers, Waldron
Colville, Major D. J. Iveagh, Countess of Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cooper, A. Duff Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Courtauld, Major J. S. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Cranborne, Viscount Law, Sir Alfred 'Derby, High Peak) Stanley, Hon. O. (Westmorland)
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Croft, Brigadler-General Sir H. Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. Lleweilln, Major J. J. Sueter, Roar-Admiral M. F.
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Lockwood, Captain J. H. Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A.
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) McConnell, Sir Joseph Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Thompson, Luke
Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Margesson, Captain H. D. Thomson, Sir F.
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Marjoribanks, Edward Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Wayland, Sir William A. Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Train, J. Wells, Sydney R.
Tryon, Rt. Hon. Georgs Clement Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George Captain Wallace and Sir Victor Warrender.
Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Waterhouse, Captain Charles Womersley, W. J.
Sir T. INSKIP

I beg to move, in page 29, line 1, to leave out from the first word "Works" to the word "means", in line 4.

In the definition, of "works" in this Clause, we have one of the most curious and obscure definitions which it has ever been my lot to try to interpret. I very much doubt if any hon. Member, be he lawyer or layman, knows what these words mean, though no doubt when the Solicitor-General has told us what they are intended to mean any hon. Member on the Government side will be persuaded to say that they do in fact mean that. Hon. Members will observe that the word: 'Works' does not include works of excavation or filling executed for the purpose of bringing the configuration of the soil to its actual formation. When are we to consider the actual formation of the soil? Are we to go back to those geological ages when the configuration of the soil was very different from what it is to-day, or is it the actual formation of the soil after a professional builder has dealt with it? Is it the configuration of the soil after the last land burst or the last earthquake has taken place? [Interruption.] The Solicitor-General is good enough to intervene with an indication that he, too, thinks this definition is a little obscure.

The SOLICITOR - GENERAL

I thought you said the land burst.

Sir T. INSKIP

Perhaps it will be convenient if the Solicitor-General can tell us what is the meaning of the words executed for the purpose of bringing the configuration of the soil to its actual formation. I will give an illustration of a case which I think ought to be met in some way by the definition of "works." It is the case of a site by the side of a hill where some work is necessary in order to make a foundation for a building. Is it intended that "works" shall include an excavation of that sort, which was made perhaps a long time ago? Are we to assume that no excavation has been made for the purpose of works, or are we to assume that an excavation has been made so as to produce a level site. The best course in the circumstances is to ask the Solicitor-General to elucidate this definition, and give us one or two typical cases so that we may be quite sure on what footing land is to be valued having regard to excavations or fillings on the site in question.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

I do not think perhaps that the words are quite so difficult to interpret as my hon. and learned Friend thinks if one follows the sequence of them, because it is obvious that excavation or filling must be executed prior to the actual formation. The works which have been necessary in order to bring it into that actual state of formation are the works which are spoken of here as works of excavation or filling. An example would be where a garden has been levelled and the actual formation of the garden is now in terraces. Certain works of excavation or filling were necessary to make that terracing out of a bank, but instead of assuming, when you look at the site, that it is put back again into a bank, when really its actual formation is a terrace, you value it as a terrace.

Sir T. INSKIP

It is all very well to take the case of a terrace, but let us take the case of the site of the Strand hotel which is being pulled down—[HON. MEMBERS: "The Cecil!"] It is a Strand hotel which is called the Cecil; it is a hotel in the Strand. I raise the question in all seriousness. Is it intended that that excavation, which has been carried out at such great expense, is to be disregarded or it?

Sir D. HERBERT

I would call the attention of the Solicitor-General to a thing which has happened repeatedly in my own constituency during the last few years. In several places, owing to the peculiar conformation of the soil, there has suddenly appeared a pit some 32 feet in diameter and at least 100 feet in depth, costing a considerable sum to fill in. Will he tell me what is the position in that case?

The SOLICITOR - GENERAL

As regards the last question, I do not presume that was a work. I do not know whether it was—[Interruption.]

Sir D. HERBERT

Had it happened on the Solicitor-General's own property, he would have known that the filling of it up was a work.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

If at the time when the site was inspected the actual formation of it was without the hole, it would include the filling up. [Interruption.] You would not go back into history to ascertain whether on any particular site there had already been a hole which had since been filled up. As to the point which the hon. and learned Member for Fareham (Sir T. Inskip) put to me, the case of the Hotel Cecil site, if that happened to be valued at a time when there was nothing on it, that is to say, when everything had been cleared away and there were a hole there, then it would be valued as in its formation, with the hole, and not as if the hole had been subsequently filled in.

Sir B. MERRIMAN

This definition which we are discussing goes to the root of the system of valuation—[Laughter.]

The CHAIRMAN

Order!

Sir B. MERRIMAN

It is nothing less than an outrage that the questions which have been addressed to the Solicitor-General in perfect seriousness, and with a view to elucidating this point, have been treated as they have been. It is of really vital importance to know what is included and what is not included in the definition of "works." Every question which has been put has been greeted with derisive

laughter, and it has hardly been possible to hear the answer. The Solicitor-General has dealt with the assumption that there really is a hotel being pulled down in any given case, but this matter is of great importance on the general system of valuation, and I ventured to put to him the other day the case of the Savoy Hotel, which is still standing. I tried to put to him that there was a certain absurdity not in assuming that the Savoy Hotel was in the middle of the town, which was the point the Solicitor-General took against me, but that the Savoy Hotel was the only site in the Strand from which a building had been cleared, so that the owner was suposed to come into not merely a vacant site but a cleared site. I want to know whether in that case we are to assume that the site is not merely cleared but is excavated. Are excavations to be taken into account under this formula, or are they not?

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL

The answer to the question is that in the case of a valuation of a site which carries a building the building is—

It being half-past Ten of the Clock, the CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to the Order of the House of 4th June, to put forthwith the Question in the Amendment already proposed from the Chair.

Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 271; Noes, 189.

Division No. 324.] AYES [10.31 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Brockway, A. Fenner Dalton, Hugh
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Bromfield, William Davies, E. C. (Montgomery)
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Bromley, J. Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)
Altchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M. Brooke, W. Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Brothers, M. Day, Harry
Alpass, J. H. Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Denman, Hon. R. D.
Ammon, Charles George Buchanan, G. Dukes, C.
Angell, Sir Norman Burgess, F. G. Duncan, Charles
Arnott, John Burgin, Dr. E. L. Ede, James Chuter
Attlee, Clement Richard Buxton, C. R. (Yorks, W. R. Elland) Edmunds, J. E.
Ayles, walter Caine, Hall-, Derwent Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Cameron, A. G. Egan, W. H.
Barnes, Alfred John Cape, Thomas Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)
Barr, James Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Foot, Isaac
Batey, Joseph Charleton, H. C. Freeman, Peter
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Chater, Daniel Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Church, Major A. G. Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Clarke, J. S. George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)
Benson, G. Cluse, W. S. George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Gill, T. H.
Blindell, James Cocks, Frederick Seymour Gillett, George M.
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Cove, William G. Glassey, A. E.
Bowen, J. W. Cripps, Sir Stafford Gossling, A. G.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Daggar, George Gould, F.
Broad, Francis Alfred Dallas, George Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) McElwee, A. Samuel, H. walter (Swansea, West)
Gray, Milner McEntee, V. L. Sanders, W. S.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne) McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston) Sandham, E.
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) MacLaren, Andrew Sawyer, G. F.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.) Sexton, Sir James
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) MacNeill-Weir, L. Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Groves, Thomas E. Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Sherwood, G. H.
Grundy, Thomas W. Mander, Geoffrey le M. Shield, George William
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Manning, E. L. Shillaker, J. F.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Mansfield, W. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.) March, S. Simmons, C. J.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Marcus, M. Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness)
Harbord, A. Marley, J. Sinkinson, George
Hardie, David (Rutherglen) Marshall, Fred Sitch, Charles H.
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn) Mathers, George Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Harris, Percy A. Matters, L. W. Smith, Lees-, Rt. Hon. H. B. (Keighley)
Hastings, Dr. Somerville Maxton, James Smith, Rennle (Penistone)
Haycock, A. W. Messer, Fred Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Hayes, John Henry Middleton, G. Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Mills, J. E. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Milner, Major J. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Montague, Frederick Sorensen, R.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Morgan, Dr. H. B. Stamford, Thomas W.
Herriotts, J. Morley, Ralph Stephen, Campbell
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Strauss, G. R.
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) Sullivan, J.
Hoffman, P. C. Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Sutton, J. E.
Hollins, A. Mort, D. L. Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Hopkin, Daniel Muff, G. Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Muggeridge, H. T. Thorne, W. (West Ham. Plalstaw)
Hunter, Dr. Joseph Murnin, Hugh Thurtle, Ernest
Isaacs, George Nathan, Major H. L. Tillett, Ben
Jenkins, Sir William Naylor, T. E. Tinker, John Joseph
John, William (Rhondda, West) Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Toole, Joseph
Johnston, Rt. Hon. Thomas Noel Baker, P. J. Tout, W. J.
Jones, Llewellyn-, F. Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.) Town[...]nd, A. E.
Jones, Rt. Hon. Lelf (Camborne) Oldfield, J. R. Vaughan, David
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Viant, S. P.
Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley) Walkden, A. S.
Kelly, W. r. Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon) Walker, J.
Kennedy, Rt. Hon. Thomas Palin, John Henry Wallace, H. W.
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Paling, Wilfrid Watkins, F. C.
Kinley, J. Palmer, E. T. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Kirkwood, D. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Watts-Morgan. Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Knight, Holford Perry, S. F. Wellock, Wilfred
Lang, Gordon Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Weish, James (Paisley)
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Phillips, Dr. Marlon West, F. R.
Lathan, G. (Sheffield, Park) Picton-Turbervill, Edith Westwood, Joseph
Law, Albert (Bolton) Pole, Major D. G. Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Law, A. (Rossendale) Potts, John S. Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Lawrence, Susan Price, M. P. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Lawrle, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge) Pybus, Percy John Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Lawson, John James Quibell, D. J. K. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle) Ramsay, T. B. Wilson Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Leach, W. Rathbone, Eleanor Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.) Raynes, W. R. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Richards, R. Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Lees, J. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Leonard, W. Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Winterton, G. E.(Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Lloyd, C. Ellis Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wise, E. F.
Logan, David Gilbert Ritson, J. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Longbottom, A. W. Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Longden, F. Romeril, H. G.
Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Rosbotham, D. S. T. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Lunn, William Rowson, Guy Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Salter, Dr. Alfred B. Smith.
MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Bevan, S. J. (Holborn) Bullock, Captain Malcolm
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Burton, Colonel H. W.
Albery, Irving James Boothby, R. J. G. Butler, R. A.
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Campbell, E. T.
Aske, Sir Robert Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Carver, Major W. H.
Atholl, Duchess of Bracken, B. Castle Stewart, Earl of
Atkinson, C. Braithwaite, Major A. N. Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Briscoe, Richard George Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Broadbent, Colonel J. Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)
Balniel, Lord Brown, Ernest (Leith) Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.)
Beaumont, M. W. Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Chapman, Sir S.
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Buchan, John Christie, J. A.
Clydesdale, Marquess of Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Colfox, Major William Philip Hore-Belisha, Leslie. Ross, Ronald D.
Colville, Major D. J. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cooper, A. Duff Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury)
Courtauld, Major J. S. Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Salmon, Major I.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Hurd, Percy A. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Cowan, D. M. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Cranborne, Viscount Inskip, Sir Thomas Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Iveagh, Countess of Savery, S. S.
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Sheppereon, Sir Ernest Whittoms
Croom-Johnson, R. P. Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford) Skelton, A. N.
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) Lamb, Sir J. Q. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Klnc'dine, C.)
Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Latham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby) Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Smithers, Waldron
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Leighton, Major B. E. P. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Dawson, Sir Philip Llewellin, Major J. J. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Lockwood, Captain J. H. Stanley, Hon. O (Westmorland)
Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Long, Major Hon. Eric Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Edmondson, Major A. J. McConnell, Sir Joseph Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Elliot, Major walter E. Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness) Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston- s-M.) Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E A.
Everard, W. Lindsay Margesson, Captain H. D. Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Marjoribanks, Edward Thompson, Luke
Ferguson, Sir John Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Fielden, E. B. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S. Train, J.
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Ganzonl, Sir John Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Morris, Rhys Hopkins Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Morrison, W. S, (Glos., Cirencester) Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Gower, Sir Robert Muirhead, A. J. Warrender, Sir Victor
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrst'ld) Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Greaves-Lord, Sir walter O'Connor, T. J. Wayland, Sir William A.
Grentell, Edward C. (City of London) Oman, Sir Charles William C. Wells, Sydney R.
Gritten, W. G. Howard O'Neill, Sir H. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Gunston, Captain D. W. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Windsor Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Peake, Capt. Osbert Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Hammersley, S. S. Perkins, W. R. D. Womersley, W. J.
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Hartington, Marquess of Pownall, Sir Assheton Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Ramsbotham, H.
Haslam, Henry C. Remer, John R. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Henderson, Capt. R. R,(Oxf'd, Henley) Reynolds, Col. Sir James Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.

The CHAIRMAN then proceeded successively to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at half-past Ten of the clock; at this day's Sitting.

Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 271; Noes, 189.

Division No. 325.] AYES. [10.43 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (File, West) Broad, Francis Alfred Daggar, George
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Brockway, A. Fenner Dallas, George
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Bromfield, William Dalton, Hugh
Altchison, Rt. Hon. Craige M. Bromley, J. Davies, E. C. (Montgomery)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Brooke, W. Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)
Alpass, J. H. Brothers, M. Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Ammon, Charles George Brown, C. W. E. (Notts. Mansfield) Day, Harry
Angell, Sir Norman Buchanan, G. Denman, Hon. R. D.
Arnott, John Burgess, F. G. Dudgeon, Major C. R.
Attlee, Clement Richard Burgin, Dr. E. L. Dukes, C.
Ayles, walter Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Duncan, Charles
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Caine, Hall-, Derwent Ede, James Chuter
Barnes, Alfred John Cameron, A. G. Edmunds, J. E.
Barr, James Cape, Thomas Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Batey, Joseph Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Egan, W. H.
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Charleton, H. C. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)
Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Chater, Daniel Foot, Isaac
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Church, Major A. G. Freeman, Peter
Benson, G. Clarke, J. S. Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Cluse, W. S. George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)
Blinden, James Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea)
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Cocks, Frederick Seymour Gill, T. H.
Bowen, J. W. Cove, William G. Gillett, George M.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Cripps, Sir Stafford Glassey, A. E.
Gossling, A. G. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Samuel, H. Waiter (Swansea, West)
Gould, F. MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Sanders, W. S.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) McElwee, A. Sandharn, E.
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) McEntee, V. L. Sawyer, G. F.
Gray, Milner McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettieston) Sexton, Sir James
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne). MacLaren, Andrew Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) MacNeill-Weir, L. Sherwood, G. H.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Shield, George William
Groves, Thomas E. Mander, Geoffrey le M. Shillaker, J. F.
Grundy, Thomas W. Manning, E. L. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Mansfield, W. Simmons, C. J.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) March, S. Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness)
Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.) Marcus, M. Sinkinson, George
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Markham, S. F. Sitch, Charles H.
Harbord, A. Marley, J. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Hardie, David (Rutherglen) Marshall, Fred Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn) Mathers, George Smith, Lees-, Rt. Hon. H. B. (Keighley)
Harris, Percy A. Matters, L. W. Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Hastings, Dr. Somerville Maxton, James Smith, Tom (Pontafract)
Haycock, A. W. Messer, Fred Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Hayes, John Henry Middleton, G. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Mills, J. E. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Milner, Major J. Sorensen, R.
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Montague, Frederick Stamford, Thomas W.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Morgan, Dr. H. B. Stephen, Campbell
Herriotts, J. Morley, Ralph Strauss, G. R.
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) Sullivan, J.
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Sutton, J. E.
Hoffman, P. C. Mort, D. L. Taylor, R. A, (Lincoln)
Hollins, A. Muff, G. Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Hopkin, Daniel Muggeridge, H. T. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plalstow)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Murnin, Hugh Thurtle, Ernest
Hunter, Dr. Joseph Nathan, Major H. L. Tillett, Ben
Isaacs, George Naylor, T. E. Tinker, John Joseph
Jenkins, Sir William Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Toole, Joseph
John, William (Rhondda, West) Noel Baker, P. J. Tout, W. J.
Johnston, Rt. Hon. Thomas Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.) Townend, A. E.
Jones, Llewellyn-, F. Oldfield, J. R. Vaughan, David
Jones, Rt. Hon. Lelf (Camborne) Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Viant, S. P.
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley) Walkden, a. G.
Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. (Preston) Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon) Walker, J.
Kelly, W. T. Palin, John Henry Wallace, H. w.
Kennedy, Rt. Hon. Thomas Palmer, E. T. Watkins, F. C.
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Kinley, J. Perry, S. F. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhoondda)
Kirkwood, D. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Wellock, Wilfred
Knight, Holford Phillips, Dr. Marion Weish, James (Paisley)
Lang, Gordon Picton-Turbervill, Edith West, F. R.
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Pole, Major D. G. Westwood, Joseph
Lathan, G. (Sheffield, Park) Potts, John S. Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Law, Albert (Bolton) Price, M. P. Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Law, A. (Rossendale) Pybus, Percy John Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Lawrence, Susan Quibell, D. J. K. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Lawrle, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge) Ramsay, T. B. Wilson Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Lawson, John James Rathbone, Eleanor Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle) Raynes, W. R. Williams, T. (York. Don Valley)
Leach, W. Richards, R. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Winterton, G. E.(Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Lees, J. Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wise, E. F.
Leonard, W. Ritson, J. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Lloyd, C. Ellis Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Logan, David Gilbert Romeril, H. G.
Longbottom, A. W. Rosbotham, D. S. T. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Longden, F. Rowson, Guy Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Salter, Dr. Alfred Paling.
Lunn, William Samuel Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Be[...]terton, Sir Henry B. Buchan, John
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Bevan, S. J. (Holborn) Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.
Albery, Irving James Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Bullock, Captain Malcolm
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Boothby, R. J. G. Butler, R. A.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward
Aske, Sir Robert Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Campbell, E. T.
Atholl, Duchess of Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Carver, Major W. H.
Atkinson, C. Bracken, B. Castle Stewart, Earl of
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Braithwaite, Major A. N. Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Briscoe, Richard George Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S)
Balniel, Lord Broadbent, Colonel J. Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.)
Beaumont, M. W. Brown, Ernest (Leith) Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.)
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Chamberlain, Rt Hon. N. (Edgbaston)
Chapman, Sir S. Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxl'd, Henley) Remer, John R.
Christie, J. A. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Clydesdale, Marquess or Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Hore-Belisha, Leslie Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Colfox, Major William Philip Howard, Bury, Colonel C. K. Rost, Ronald D.
Colvllie, Major D. J. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cooper, A. Duff Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury)
Courtauld, Major J. S. Hurd, Percy A. Salmon, Major I.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Cowan, D. M. Inskip, Sir Thomas Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Cranborne, Viscount Iveagh, Countess of Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Savery, S. S.
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Galnsbro) Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford) Skelton, A. N.
Croom-Johnson, H. P. Lamb, Sir J. Q Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Latham, H. P. (Scarboro' & Whitby) Smith-Carington. Neville W.
Dalkeith, Earl of Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Smithers, Waldron
Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Leighton, Major B. E. P. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Llewellin, Major J. J. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Davison, Sir w. H. (Kensington, S.) Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Dawson, Sir Philip Lockwood, Captain J. H. Stanley, Hon. O. (Westmorland)
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Long, Major Hon. Eric Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Dug dale, Capt. T. L. McConnell, Sir Joseph Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Edmondson, Major A. J. Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness) Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Elliot, Major Walter E. Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s. M.) Margesson, Captain H. D. Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Everard, W. Lindsay Marjoribanks, Edward Thompson, Luke
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Fergusan, Sir John Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Fielden, E. B. Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S. Train, J.
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Ganzonl, Sir John Morris, Rhys Hopkins Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Gauit, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester) Warrender, Sir Victor
G[...]wer, Sir Robert Muirhead, A. J. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Greaves-Lord, Sir walter Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Wayland, Sir William A.
Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G.(Ptrsf'ld) Wells, Sydney R.
Gritten, W. G. Howard O'Connor, T. J. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Guinness, Rt. Hon. walter E. Oman, Sir Charles William C. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Gunston, Captain D. W. O'Neill, Sir H. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Peake, Capt Osbert Womersley, W. J.
Hammersley, S. S. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Perkins, W. R. D. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Hartington, Marquess of Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Pownall, Sir Assheton TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Haslam, Henry C. Ramsbotham, H. Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.