HC Deb 08 May 1930 vol 238 cc1138-43

May I ask the Prime Minister what business he proposes to take next week, and what business he proposes to take after 11 o'clock to-night?


The business for next week will be:

Monday: Supply (6th Allotted Day). The Votes will be for the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, for the Department of Agriculture (Scotland), and for the Beet Sugar Subsidy (Great Britain).

Tuesday: Air Transport (Subsidy Agreements) Bill, Second Reading; Sea Fisheries Regulation (Expenses) Bill, Second Reading; the further stages of the Mental Treatment Bill; and the Overseas Trade Bill, Committee stage.

Wednesday: Supply (7th Allotted Day). The Vote will be announced later.

Thursday: An opportunity will be given for a Debate on the London Naval Conference.

On any day, should time permit, other Orders will be taken.

We are asking the House to suspend the Eleven o'Clock Rule to-night so that the Motion for the Second Reading of the Consumers' Council Bill may be completed and the Committee stage of the necessary Money Resolution as well. There is also a departmental Bill which I am informed is not controversial, namely, the Board of Education Scheme (Devon, Crediton Exhibition Foundation) Confirmation Bill. We ask that that Bill may also be taken.


I do not raise any objection to finishing the Second Reading stage of the Consumers' Council Bill or to the taking of the Motion to which the right hon. Gentleman has just referred, but I suggest to him that he might really postpone the Committee stage of the Money Resolution until another day. I think it is very unusual to take a Money Resolution of this kind—which, on Report, is normally taken after 11 o'clock—on the day on which the Second Reading of the Bill is taken.


May I ask the Prime Minister whether, in the event of the Consumers' Council Bill passing its Second Reading, it is to be taken upstairs or on the Floor of the House?


Quite obviously, upstairs. Once the principle of the Bill is agreed to, it is a matter of detail, and there will be a very full opportunity of considering the details. I am informed that the Money Resolution for this Bill can be debated on the Second Reading, and is in itself a matter of pure formality. The amount of money involved is very small, and the effect of the Resolution is contained in the Bill itself.


I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will reconsider the decision which he has just announced that he is going to send the Bill upstairs. I think that the House might have a little more time for its consideration before it goes upstairs, and I appeal to the right hon. Gentleman to postpone the consideration of the Committee stage of the Resolution to another day, and to take it before 11 o'clock.


I am very anxious to meet all reasonable requests, but we really would like to get this Resolution to-day. I am quite willing to keep my mind open until a later period, when we see how things progress.


I am afraid that that is rather embarrassing for all of us. We raise no objection to finishing the discussion on the Consumers' Council Bill itself. All that we ask is that the Money Resolution should not be taken after 11 o'clock on the day on which the Bill is read a Second time, but before 11 o'clock on another day. If the Prime Minister is prepared to agree to that, I should not propose to divide against the suspension of the Eleven o'clock Rule, because then my only reason for doing so would be gone. If, however, the right hon. Gentleman reserves his judgment until later in the evening I must make my protest now, while reserving my liberty to accept what, I hope, will be the right hon. Gentleman's concession when it comes.


If the right hon. Gentleman does not mind, I think we will leave the matter where it is.


Have the Government yet decided when they propose to take the Second Reading of the Finance Bill, and when will copies of that Bill be available for the use of Members?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Mr. Philip Snowden)

It is intended to take the Finance Bill in the week after next on Monday or Tuesday, and the Bill will be circulated in good time.


May we expect the Bill during this week, or will it not be issued until next week?


Not this week.


I hope that the Chancellor of the Exchequer will see that the Bill is circulated early next week. The circulation of this Bill at the end of next week, if it is proposed to take it on Monday or Tuesday, will not, as the right hon. Gentleman himself will recognise, give the House sufficient time.


When will the Prime Minister be able to announce the Vote for next Wednesday?


As my hon. Friend is aware, I am in the hands of the Opposition in regard to this matter, and I am not able to announce the Vote until the Opposition inform me of the subject.


May I take it that two days will be allowed for the Second Reading of the Finance Bill, according to custom?


No. We propose that one day should be given, and we are basing that on a precedent made in 1928 on a most important Budget.

Motion made, and Question put, That other Government Business have precedence this day of the Business of Supply, and that the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 270; Noes, 117.

Division No. 277.] AYES. [3.53 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Duncan, Charles Lang, Gordon
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Ede, James Chuter Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Edge, Sir William Lathan, G.
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigle M. Edmunds, J. E. Law, Albert (Bolton)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Law, A. (Rossendale)
Alpass, J. H. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Lawrence, Susan
Ammon, Charles George Foot, Isaac Lawson, John James
Arnott, John Forgan, Dr. Robert Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)
Ayles, Walter Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Leach, W.
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn) Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley) George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lees, J.
Barnes, Alfred John George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea) Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Barr, James Gibbins, Joseph Lloyd, C. Ellis
Batey, Joseph Gibson, H. M. (Lancs. Mossley) Logan, David Gilbert
Bellamy, Albert Gill, T. H. Longbottom, A. W.
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Gillett, George M. Longden, F.
Bennett, Capt. E. N. (Cardiff, Central) Glassey, A. E. Lovat-Fraser, J. A.
Benson, G. Gossling, A. G. Lowth, Thomas
Bentham, Dr. Ethel Gould, F. Lunn, William
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)
Blindell, James Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne) MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)
Broad, Francis Alfred Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) McElwee, A.
Brockway, A. Fenner Groves, Thomas E. McEntee, V. L.
Bromfield, William Grundy, Thomas W. McKinlay, A.
Bromley, J. Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Brooke, W. Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.) MacNeill-Weir, L.
Brothers, M. Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I.
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) McShane, John James
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hardie, George D. Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton)
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire) Harris, Percy A. Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Buchanan, G. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Mansfield, W.
Burgess, F. G. Haycock, A. W. March, S.
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks, W. R. Eliand) Hayday, Arthur Markham, S. F.
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel (Norfolk, N.) Hayes, John Henry Marley, J.
Caine, Derwent Hall- Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Marshall, Fred
Cape, Thomas Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Mathers, George
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Matters, L. W.
Charleton, H. C. Herriotts, J. Maxton, James
Chater, Daniel Hirst, G. H. (York, W. R., Wentworth) Melville, Sir James
Church, Major A. G. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Messer, Fred
Clarke, J. S. Hoffman, P. C. Millar, J. D.
Cluse, W. S. Hollins, A. Milner, Major J.
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Hopkin, Daniel Montague, Frederick
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Horrabin, J. F. Morley, Ralph
Compton, Joseph Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Morris, Rhys Hopkins
Cove, William G. Hunter, Dr. Joseph Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Cowan, D. M. Johnston, Thomas Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South)
Daggar, George Jones, F. Llewellyn- (Flint) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)
Dallas, George Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Mort, D. L.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhonghton) Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Moses, J. J. H.
Day, Harry Kelly, W. T. Mosley, Lady C. (Stoke-on-Trent)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Kennedy, Thomas Mosley, Sir Oswald (Smethwick)
Dickson, T. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Muff, G.
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Kinley, J. Muggeridge, H. T.
Dukes, C. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Murnin, Hugh
Nathan, Major H. L. Sandham, E. Tinker, John Joseph
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Sawyer, G. F. Toole, Joseph
Oldfield, J. R. Scurr, John Tout, W. J.
Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston) Sexton, James Townend, A. E.
Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley) Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Owen, H. F. (Hereford) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Vaughan, D. J.
Palin, John Henry Sherwood, G. H. Viant, S. P.
Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Shield, George William Walkden, A. G.
Perry, S. F. Shiels, Dr. Drummond Walker, J.
Peters, Dr. Sidney John Shillaker, J. F. Wallhead, Richard C.
Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Shinwell, E. Watkins, F. C.
Phillips, Dr. Marion Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Picton-Turbervill, Edith Simon, E. D. (Manch'ter, Withington) Wellock, Wilfred
Pole, Major D. G. Sinkinson, George Welsh, James (Paisley)
Potts, John S. Smith, Alfred (Sunderland) Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Price, M. P. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) West, F. R.
Quibell, D. J. K. Smith, Frank (Nuneaton) Westwood, Joseph
Ramsay, T. B. Wilson Smith, H. B. Lees- (Keighley) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Rathbone, Eleanor Smith, Rennie (Penistone) White, H. G.
Raynes, W. R. Smith, Tom (Pontefract) Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Richards, R. Smith, W. R. (Norwich) Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Snell, Harry Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Riley, Ben (Dewsbury) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees) Snowden, Thomas (Accrington) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Ritson, J. Sorensen, R. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) Stamford, Thomas W. Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Romeril, H. G. Stephen, Campbell Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Rosbotham, D. S. T. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Rothschild, J. de Strachey, E. J. St. Loe Wise, E. F.
Rowson, Guy Strauss, G. R. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury) Sutton, J. E. Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Salter, Dr. Alfred Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Samuel, H. W. (Swansea, West) Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Sanders, W. S. Thurtle, Ernest Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Albery, Irving James Grace, John Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Allen, W. E. D. (Belfast, W.) Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Pownall, Sir Assheton
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Purbrick, R.
Atholl, Duchess of Gunston, Captain D. W. Ramsbotham, H.
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W. Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Remer, John R.
Balniel, Lord Hammersley, S. S. Reynolds, Col. Sir James
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Hanbury, C. Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Ross, Major Ronald D.
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Bird, Ernest Roy Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Salmon, Major I.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft. Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Bracken, B, Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Simms, Major-General J.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Hurd, Percy A. Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfast)
Buckingham, Sir H. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Skelton, A. N.
Butler, R. A. James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Castle Stewart, Earl of King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Smithers, Waldron
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Knox, Sir Alfred Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Lamb, Sir J. Q. Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Christie, J. A. Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Colfox, Major William Philip Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Cranborne, Viscount Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Long, Major Eric Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Lymington, Viscount Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Train, J.
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Macquisten, F. A. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) MacRobert, Rt. Hon. Alexander M. Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Davies, Dr. Vernon Makins, Brigadier-General E. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Marjoribanks, E. C. Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Meller, R. J. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Eden, Captain Anthony Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Wells, Sydney R.
Elliot, Major Walter E. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Everard, W. Lindsay Muirhead, A. J. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Ferguson, Sir John Oman, Sir Charles William C. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. O'Neill, Sir H.
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Ganzoni, Sir John Peake, Capt. Osbert Major Sir George Hennessy and Sir
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Penny, Sir George Frederick Thomson.