HC Deb 05 June 1930 vol 239 cc2388-91

May I ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can give the House any indication how far he hopes to proceed with the Finance Bill this evening?


As I said the other day, we have not made very much progress up to now. We have only disposed of nine Clauses, and, as I said the other day, I am anxious, if possible, to make better progress. On the other hand, I do not want to prevent ample debate upon matters of importance. Clauses 10 and 11 are certainly of importance, and it would only be right that I should afford full opportunities for discussing them. The immediately following Clauses, up to Clause 16, are not so important, and three of them at least are concessions to the taxpayer. I do not anticipate, therefore, that they will take very much time. I should like to get Clause 16 this evening.


I beg the Chancellor of the Exchequer to remember the observation that the Prime Minister made the other day, that the Government were trying the House of Commons very hard, and sometimes too hard. I think the Chancellor of the Exchequer asks more than it is reasonable

to ask, or than he can have any hope of getting.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on the Finance Bill have precedence this day of the Business of Supply."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 234; Noes, 110.

Division No. 346.] AYES. [3.52 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Mort, D. L.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Harbord, A. Moses, J. J. H.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Hardie, George D. Mosley, Lady C. (Stoke-on-Trent)
Ammon, Charles George Harris, Percy A. Muff, G.
Arnott, John Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Muggeridge, H. T.
Attlee, Clement Richard Haycock, A. W. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Ayles, Walter Hayday, Arthur Noel Baker, P. J.
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Hayes, John Henry O'Connor, T. J.
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley) Henderson, Arthur, Junr, (Cardiff, S.) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)
Barnes, Alfred John Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Owen, H. F. (Hereford)
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Palin, John Henry
Bennett, Capt. Sir E. N. (Cardiff C.) Herriotts, J. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan).
Benson, G. Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Perry, S. F.
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Hoffman, P. C. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Bowen, J. W. Hopkin, Daniel Picton-Turbervill, Edith
Broad, Francis Alfred Horrabin, J. F. Pole, Major D. G.
Brockway, A. Fenner Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Potts, John S.
Brothers, M. Hunter, Dr. Joseph Ramsay, T. B. Wilson
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield) Hutchison, Maj.-Gen. Sir R. Rathbone, Eleanor
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Isaacs, George Richards, R.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire) John, William (Rhondda, West) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West) Johnston, Thomas Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne) Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Cameron, A. G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Romeril, H. G.
Cape, Thomas Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Rosbotham, D. S. T.
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Jowitt, Rt. Hon. Sir W. A. Rowson, Guy
Charleton, H. C. Kedward, R. M. (Kent, Ashford) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Chater, Daniel Kennedy, Thomas Russell, Richard John (Eddisbury)
Church, Major A. G. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Salter, Dr. Alfred
Clarke, J. S. Kirkwood, D. Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Cluse, W. S. Knight, Holford Samuel, H. W. (Swansea, West)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Sanders, W. S.
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Lathan, G. Sandham, E.
Cove, William G. Law, Albert (Bolton) Sawyer, G. F.
Daggar, George Law, A. (Rossendale) Scurr, John
Dallas, George Lawrence, Susan Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Dalton, Hugh Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle) Shield, George William
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Leach, W. Shillaker, J. F.
Day, Harry Lee, Frank (Derby, N. E.) Shinwell, E.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Lees, J. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Dickson, T. Lewis, T. (Southampton) Simmons, C. J.
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Lloyd, C. Ellis Sinkinson, George
Dukes, C. Logan, David Gilbert Sitch, Charles H.
Duncan, Charles Longbottom, A. W. Smith, Alfred (Sunderland)
Ede, James Chuter Longden, F. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Edmunds, J. E. Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Lowth, Thomas Smith, H. B. Lees- (Keighley)
Egan, W. H. Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Elmley, Viscount MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Freeman, Peter MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) McEntee, V. L. Snell, Harry
Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.) McKinlay, A. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn) MacNeill-Weir, L. Stamford, Thomas W.
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea) McShane, John James Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Gibbins, Joseph Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Strauss, G. R.
Gibson, H. M. (Lancs. Mossley) Mander, Geoffrey le M. Sullivan, J.
Gill, T. H. Mansfield, W. Sutton, J. E.
Gillett, George M. March, S. Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Gossling, A. G. Marcus, M. Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Gould, F. Mathers, George Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Melville, Sir James Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Gray, Milner Middleton, G. Tillett, Ben
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne). Millar, J. D. Tinker, John Joseph
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Milner, Major J. Toole, Joseph
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) Montague, Frederick Tout, W. J.
Groves, Thomas E. Morley, Ralph Townend, A. E.
Grundy, Thomas W. Morris, Rhys Hopkins Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Turner, B.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South) Viant, S. P.
Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Walkden, A. G.
Walker, J. White, H. G. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Wallace, H. W. Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood) Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Walters, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Tudor Whiteley, William (Blaydon) Wise, E. F.
Watkins, F. C. Wilkinson, Ellen C. Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) Williams, David (Swansea, East) Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Wellock, Wilfred Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
Welsh, James (Paisley) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
West, F. R. Wilson C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Westwood, Joseph Wilson, J. (Oldham) Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Ferguson, Sir John Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Kennell
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Galbraith, J. F. W. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Albery, Irving James Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Salmon, Major I.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Atkinson, C. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet) Greene, W. P. Crawford Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Balniel, Lord Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Savery, S. S.
Beaumont, M. W. Gunston, Captain D. W. Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Berry, Sir George Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Hammersley, S. S. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Smithers, Waldron
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Hartington, Marquess of Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Boyce, H. L. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Bracken, B. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Brass, Captain Sir William Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Buckingham, Sir H. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Stewart, W. J. (Belfast, South)
Bullock, Captain Malcolm Hurd, Percy A. Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Carver, Major W. H. Knox, Sir Alfred Tinne, J. A.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Leighton, Major B. E. P. Turton, Robert Hugh
Chapman, Sir S. Long, Major Eric Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Macquisten, F. A. Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Makins, Brigadier-General E. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Colfox, Major William Philip Margesson, Captain H. D. Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Colville, Major D. J. Marjoribanks, E. C. Warrender, Sir Victor
Cranborne, Viscount Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Wells, Sydney R.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld) Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Womersley, W. J.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Oman, Sir Charles William C. Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Edmondson, Major A. J. Penny, Sir George
Elliot, Major Walter E. Pownall, Sir Assheton TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Ramsbotham, H. Major Sir George Hennessy and
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall) Sir Frederick Thomson.

Question, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill," put, and agreed to.