HC Deb 28 July 1930 vol 242 cc96-109

I beg to move, in page 7, line 36, to leave out from the beginning to the first "the," in line 38, and to insert instead thereof the words: The powers conferred by this Act on drainage boards shall, so far as concerns. This Amendment and those which follow it on the Paper in relation to this Clause, are very largely drafting Amendments and are intended to make it clear that the catchment board alone shall have power to do works in connection with the main channel of the river. This point arose in Committee, and some hon. Members felt that the position was not made quite clear. These Amendments are moved in consequence of an undertaking which was given by the Minister to look into the words, and to define more clearly the duties and obligations of the Catchment Board.

Amendment agreed to.

Further Amendments made: In page 7, line 39, leave out the words "with respect to."

In page 7 line 40, leave out the word "said."—[Mr. W. R. Smith.]


I beg to move, in page 7, line 40, at the end, to insert the words "be exerciseable solely by the catchment board."


In connection with this Amendment there is one point on which I should like a statement from the Minister. The property in the banks of the main channel of the river in certain cases has belonged to the internal district drainage boards. Those river banks will now be taken over by the catchment boards. When they were owned by the internal district boards, the internal districts were liable for any breakages which occurred and for any damage sustained by third parties as a result of breakages. Will the catchment boards now take over that liability, including the liability to recompense any third party who suffers damage by a breakage.

Lieut.-Colonel HENEAGE

There are one or two matters in connection with this Clause which ought to be made clear. I think that certain alterations have been made in the definitions of "watercourse" and "main river," and later on we shall come to a number of Amendments proposing to leave out the words "main river." Perhaps the Minister will tell us exactly what will be the result of the Amendments now before us in relation to that point, and how far the powers to be exercised by the catchment boards over the main river have been altered.


These Amendments were put down in order to carry out various undertakings which I gave in Committee. I explained then that the Bill proposed that the catchment board should only have authority over the main river. In regard to the point mentioned by the hon. Member for Leominster (Sir E. Shepperson), the duties of the catchment boards apply to the main river and the main river only, and they will take over such obligations as properly attach to those duties in connection with maintenance and repair. These words specifically show that the limit of the catchment board's authority is the main river. They will not trench beyond that and go into the preserves of the authorities in which the hon. Member for Leominster is interested. Those authorities will be fully safeguarded if these words are inserted.


Supposing the main river bank breaks in the middle level where the land is under the level of the sea, causing damage to the extent of hundreds of thousands of pounds by flooding, will that damage have to be met by the catchment board?


Is there any special definition of "main river" as distinct from "main arterial drain"? The words "main arterial drain" occur in the Bill several times, but there does not seem to be any definition of them, and a main arterial drain may be a river.


I think these terms are sufficiently defined by the Amendments to the Clause. An arterial drain is dearly something other than a main river. The terms "catchment area" and. "main river" are also defined. As regards the question put by the hon. Member for Bedford (Mr. Wells) as to the obligations of the catchment board, I could not of course say what those obligations would be held to cover by the law courts in a particular case which has not arisen, but the board will be responsible for keeping the banks in repair, and for maintenance. If anything occurs as a result of their negligence they will be liable to be dealt with accordingly, but as to what may happen in a particular case, I do not prophesy. They would have the liability attaching to a public authority responsible for the maintenance of the banks.

Amendment agreed to.


I beg to move, in page 8, line 7, to leave out from the word "Board" to the end of the Sub-section, and to insert instead thereof the words: may enter into an agreement with the council of any borough or urban district or with any navigation authority for the carrying out by the council or authority, on such terms as to payment and otherwise as may be specified in the agreement, of any work in connection with the main river which the Catchment Board are authorised to carry out. It is proposed to insert these words in pursuance of an undertaking which I gave in Committee to clarify the meaning of Sub-section (4). This provision will make it possible for the catchment board in a case where the main river runs through a town to make an arrangement with the local authority—the borough council or the urban district council—to look after a particular piece of work on that part of the river on their behalf. It was felt that the wording originally was not quite clear and I promised to revise it.

Question, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill," put, and negatived.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the proposed words be there inserted in the Bill."

Lieut.-Colonel ACLAND-TROYTE

I beg to move, as an Amendment to the proposed Amendment, in line 1, after the word "any," to insert the words "county or."

The effect of this alteration in the Amendment would be to give county councils the same right in this matter as borough councils or urban district councils or any of the other bodies mentioned. There is no reason apparent to me why county councils should not be included. It is purely voluntary on the part of the catchment board to make these arrangements with these authorities, and the provision should be made to apply to county councils as well as to other bodies.


I beg to second the Amendment to the proposed Amendment.


I do not think it is possible to accept the Amendment to the proposed Amendment, because it would have the effect of extending the operations of this Clause far too widely. Hon. Members opposite must realise that our Amendment is simply intended to make it more clear that it is possible for the catchment board to enter into an arrangement with a borough or urban district council in regard to some specific piece of work, because where the main channel runs through a borough or an urban district the local authorities there, having special obligations and liabilities, have the machinery and so forth for dealing with these matters. But where it is a case of a river running through a county area that is an entirely different thing, and if the proposal of the hon. and gallant. Member were accepted it would mean, in effect, transferring the whole of the powers in this connection to the county councils, which of course is not intended by the Bill. This proposal of ours is merely for the purpose of facilitating particular works, which can be more effectively done by the borough and urban district authorities where they have special obligations and possibly machinery and equipment already in hand for carrying out the work.


If I may speak again, by leave of the House, I wish to say that it is our object to transfer these powers to the county councils and I am glad that the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade appreciates our object. I would call special attention to the case of the Trent area. Here we have one area which affects, I believe, seven or eight counties. In Staffordshire we have the source of the Trent, and we should probably find that if the county could be formed into one area to deal with the River Trent as it passes through the county that would be better than to be associated with seven or eight different authorities who may, on the lower reaches of the river, incur very large expenditure. That expenditure will have no effect whatever on Staffordshire, but Staffordshire will be expected to pay. I think it would be a great advantage to have one authority which could deal with the river within the county.

Brigadier-General CLIFTON BROWN

I understood the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade to object to the Amendment to the Amendment because it would make this scheme too wide, but I thought the object of the Bill was to have a national scheme and to make it as wide as possible. If the question is to be regarded from a national point of view surely the wider area ought to be accepted. This drainage might materially affect many more bodies than those included in the Government's Amendment. Many people will lose a great deal of money, for example, by floods being taken away from land, causing deterioration of the land, and they ought to have a word to say in this matter in the same way as the borough or urban district councils.


It is difficult to understand why the Minister will not accept the Amendment to the Amendment. It may be advisable to enter into agreements of this kind with a borough council or an urban district council, but why county councils should not be included also one fails to see.

6.0 p.m.


I think that the Government might accept this Amendment to the proposed Amendment. It Would give a way out from some of the most expensive provisions of the Bill. We are setting up under the Bill what are, in effect, 50 new county councils, possessing over-riding powers running into various counties. If it were possible for counties like Staffordshire, which have the head waters of a river within their area, to contract 6.0 p.m. out of the catchment board and to carry on with their existing machinery, it would be much cheaper than the proposed new system. The new catchment boards are to have paid members and a paid chairman and staff. If we could leave counties such as Staffordshire to contract out of the catchment boards and carry on the works that the catchment board are supposed to carry on under this Bill, with their existing machinery, we should have a far more efficient authority, because it would know its own district. In the case of the Trent Catchment Board, extending from Staffordshire down the country, most of the great works will be in connection with the Lower Trent, at any rate in the first instance.

That is what the people in Staffordshire will object to, because they will have to pay, without any works of importance being carried out in the Upper Trent area. The ratepayers in the upper area will be called upon to find money for the lower reaches. If Staffordshire could be allowed to contract out, they would be enabled to spend the money on improving the river in their own county, instead of the money being spent, as undoubtedly it will be spent, on the lower river. Staffordshire is only one case of the upper water counties which will be affected in this way. Warwickshire is in a somewhat similar position. It will come under the Severn Catchment Board, whereas it would operate much better if it was under the Avon Catchment Board. There must be a number of other cases in point. The only result of accepting this Amendment would be that the same work would be done but done more cheaply by the existing institution, the county council, instead of their being a new catchment board, a more expensive institution, carrying out the work.


I think that the Minister is raising unnecessary difficulty in regard to this matter. There would be no compulsion on any catchment board to delegate any work. They would only do it where efficiency would be most likely to be achieved by delegation, and where economy would take place. We are all most anxious that this Bill shall not lead to any unnecessary network of officialdom. Where we can carry on efficiently with the existing agencies it is much better that full use should be made of them. There are precedents for delegating the work from one authority to another, notably in regard to road powers, which may be delegated by a county authority to a rural district. If there was any compulsion on the catchment boards in this proposal which would really deprive them of their powers, I should agree with the Minister, but as the proposal is so elastic and can only be carried out with the consent of the catchment board, I should think that this additional opportunity for adjustment, on the grounds of efficiency, might well be accepted.


I am afraid that I cannot agree with my right hon. Friend opposite or with the right hon. and gallant Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Colonel Wedgwood). If this Amendment were accepted, it would mean that there would be pressure from one county and then another to contract out. Staffordshire and Warwickshire have been mentioned, and it would probably mean that 20 more would come along and ask to contract out, and the result would be that by the time the catchment boards were set up, or are likely to be set up, there would no longer be any work for them to do. As we have accepted the principle of the Bill, we had better stick to it. The provision was put down to meet the very proper case of a town through which a river passes and where certain work requires to be done in connection with the scheme. It is considered that to make an arrangement with the municipality is the sensible course to take. That is a different thing from taking in a whole county, where a river stretches perhaps for one hundred miles or 50 miles through its area. If we accepted the conclusion of the right hon. and gallant Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme, we should knock the bottom out of the Bill.


Is it not possible that the head waters in a county might be no bigger than a tributary, which will be treated as a drainage board?


It is because the possibilities are so various and so uncertain that I resist the Amendment.


I cannot agree with the argument used by the right hon. and gallant Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Colonel Wedgwood). He argues that we should allow the areas in the upper reaches of the river to form their own catchment area and to leave the authorities in the lower reaches of the river to form their own catchment area. He must know that the bulk of the expense in connection with any main channel occurs at the mouth of the river. If we were to take away the upland areas we should take away the receipts, and we should leave a burden on the counties dealing with the lower reaches of the river which they would be absolutely unable to bear. If that took place, it would remove any possibility of an efficient management of the main channel of the river.


I am an uplander. The uplanders and the lowlanders can never agree. We in the uplands are asked to pay for the drainage of the lowlands. Of course, the more money the lowlands can get from the uplands the more they will support this Bill. I support the Amendment because I think that the very best way of dealing with drainage is to allow each county, as far as possible, to run its own drainage scheme and pay for it, and in time to amalgamate with other counties as may become necessary, with the catchment board as a sort of council overruling the whole. In the Ouse area we have 11 counties which are all roped together for catchment board purposes. They will not each have direct representatives on the board. In Bedfordshire we have 240,000 acres in the catchment area, and we shall have perhaps one or possibly two representatives. Although Bedford, with 2,000 acres, will be called upon to pay one-half the amount for drainage in the area, we shall be lucky if we have one representative on the catchment board. It would be far better to divide the areas up into counties and, if necessary, make them into internal drainage areas. That would be better than having an unwieldy body which will run the counties into heavy cost.


The main reason advanced by the Minister for not accepting the Amendment is that no work would be left for the board which he favours. I think the hon. Member who has just spoken must have relieved his mind of that anxiety, because if powers are delegated to the local boards there would still be plenty for the superior board to do in connection with matters referred to them in any dispute that might arise. Therefore, if the Minister's principal objection is that he is afraid that the catchment boards would not have enough work to do if he accepted the Amendment, he might relieve his mind and we could get on without wasting more time. We should have done something towards the practical administration of these important matters of water supply and drainage by the acceptance of the Amendment.


The Minister of Agriculture says that if he accepted the Amendment power might be taken piecemeal from the catchment board and given to the various county councils. If he studies the wording of the Clause he will see that the Amendment could only come into operation as the result of an agreement to which the catchment board would be a party, and, secondly, the agreement is limited to the execution and maintenance of works which are authorised. Sub-section (1) says that the catchment board shall have exclusive powers and jurisdiction with respect to the main river, including the banks thereof, and with respect to drainage works. In other words, the only thing that is permitted under Sub-section (4) is the delegation of the execution of a particular piece of work or its maintenance when it has been done. There is no question under the Amendment of the giving of any part of a catchment board's powers to a county council. The idea that under the Amendment the whole work of the catchment board will

be gradually swept away is not justified, but the catchment board might quite easily find a situation where one particular work might be executed or maintained more efficiently and more cheaply by the county council, and in those circumstances it might very well wish to enter into an agreement: for the execution or maintenance of the works.… subject to such terms and conditions as may be agreed.… I do not think that the right hon. Gentleman has given any conclusive answer to the plea that has been put forward from this side. I do not see that any impairment of the powers of the catchment board would follow the acceptance of the Amendment, but I do say that eases might arise where without the Amendment certain work will have to be less efficiently done and at greater expense than would otherwise be the case.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the proposed Amendment."

The House divided: Ayes, 124; Noes, 236.

Division No. 464.] AYES. [6.14 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l.,W.) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Gower, Sir Robert Ross. Major Ronald D
Atholl, Duchess of Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Berry, Sir George Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Salmon, Major I.
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Bird, Ernest Roy Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Gunston, Captain D. W. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Brass, Captain Sir William Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Savery, S. S.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C.(Berks, Newb'y) Hanbury, C. Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Buckingham, Sir H. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Burton, Colonel H. W. Haslam, Henry C. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Butler, R. A. Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd,Henley) Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Carver, Major W. H. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Stanley, Maj. Hon. O. (W'morland)
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmth,S.) Hills. Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Hurd, Percy A Thomson, Sir F.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Iveagh, Countess of Tinne, J. A.
Christle, J. A. King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Knox, Sir Alfred Todd, Capt. A. J.
Colfox, Major William Philip Lamb, Sir J. Q. Train, J.
Colville, Major D. J Lewis, Oswald (Colchester) Turton, Robert Hugh
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Wallace, Capt. D. E.(Hornsey)
Cranborne, Viscount Makins, Brigadier-General E. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. Meller, R. J. Warrender, Sir Victor
Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir Godfrey Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Davies, Dr. Vernon Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Wayland, Sir William A.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Joslah
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond) Wells, Sydney R.
Duckworth, G. A. V. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Eden, Captain Anthony Mulrhead, A. J. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Elliot, Major Walter E. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Withers, Sir John James
Erskine. Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Peake, Capt. Osbert Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Everard, W. Lindsay Penny, Sir George Womersley, W. J.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon Sir L.
Fermoy, Lord Ramsbotham, H.
Flelden, E. B. Reid, David D. (County Down) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Ford, Sir P. J. Rentoul, Sir Gervals S. Captain Margesson and Captain
Sir George Bowyer.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hardie, George D. Palin, John Henry
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Harris, Percy A. Paling, Wilfrid
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Palmer, E. T.
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Perry, S. F.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Haycock, A. W. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Alpass, J. H. Hayday, Arthur Phillips, Dr. Marion
Ammon, Charles George Hayes, John Henry Plcton-Turbervill, Edith
Arnott, John Henderson, Arthur, Junr. (Cardiff, S.) Pole, Major D. G.
Aske, Sir Robert Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Potts, John S.
Attlee, Clement Richard Herriotts, J. Ramsay, T. B. Wilson
Ayles, Walter Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth) Rathbone, Eleanor
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Raynes, W. R.
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley) Hoffman, P. C. Richards, R.
Barnes, Alfred John Hopkin, Daniel Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Barr, James Hore-Belisha, Leslie. Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Batey, Joseph Horrabin, J. F. Ritson, J.
Bellamy, Albert Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Hunter, Dr. Joseph Romeril, H. G.
Bennett, Capt. Sir E. N. (Cardiff C.) Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Rosbotham, D. S. T.
Benson, G. Johnston, Thomas Salter, Dr. Alfred
Bentham, Dr. Ethel Jones, F. Llewellyn- (F[...]nt) Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Birkett, W. Norman Jones, J. J. (West Ham, silvertown) Samuel, H. Walter (Swansea, West)
Blindell, James Jones, Rt. Hon. Lelf (Camborne) Sanders, W. S.
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Sawyer, G. F.
Bowen, J. W. Jowitt, Sir W. A. (Preston) Scott, James
Broad, Francis Alfred Kelly, W. T. Scurr, John
Brockway, A. Fenner Kennedy, Thomas Sexton, James
Brooke, W. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Brothers, M. Kinley, J. Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts. Mansfield) Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Shillaker, J. F.
Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West) Lathan, G. Shinwell, E.
Burgess, F. G. Law, Albert (Bolton) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Law, A. (Rosendale) Simon, E. D. (Manch'ter, Withington)
Cameron, A. G. Lawrence, Susan Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Cape, Thomas Lawson, John James Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness)
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Leach, W. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Charleton, H. C. Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Chater, Daniel Lees, J. Smith, H. B. Lees- (Keighley)
Church, Major A. G. Lewis, T. (Southampton) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Cluse, W. S. Lloyd, C. Ellis Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Logan, David Gilbert Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Longbottom, A. W. Snell, Harry
Compton, Joseph Longden, F. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Cove, William G. Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
Cowan, D. M. Lowth, Thomas Sorensen, R.
Daggar, George Lunn, William Stamford, Thomas W.
Dalton, Hugh MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Strauss, G. R.
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery) Macdonald, Sir M. (Inverness) Sullivan, J.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) McElwee, A. Sutton, J. E
Day, Harry McEntee, V. L. Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Denman, Hon. R. D. McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston) Thorne. W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Duncan, Charles MacLaren, Andrew Thurtle, Ernest
Ede, James Chuter Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.) Tinker, John Joseph
Edmunds, J. E. McShane, John James Townend, A. E.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Edwards, E. (Morpeth) March, S. Vaughan, D. J.
Elmley, Viscount Markham, S. F. Viant, S. P.
Foot, Isaac Marshall, Fred Walkden, A. G.
Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Mathers, George Walker, J.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Matters, L. W. Wallace, H. W.
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesea) Melville, Sir James Wallhead, Richard C.
Gibbins, Joseph Messer, Fred Walters, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Tudor
Gibson, H. M. (Lancs. Mossley) Middleton, G. Watkins, F. C.
Gill, T. H. Mills, J. E. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Gillett, George M. Milner, Major J. Wellock, Wilfred
Glassey, A. E. Montague, Frederick Welsh, James (Paisley)
Gossling, A. G. Morley, Ralph West, F. R.
Gould, F. Morris, Rhys Hopkins Westwood, Joseph
Granville, E. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Gray, Milner Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South) Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne) Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Williams, Dr. J. H.(Llanelly)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Mort, D. L. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.) Muff, G. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Groves, Thomas E. Muggeridge, H. T. Winterton, G. E. (Leicester,Loughb'gh)
Grundy, Thomas W. Murnin, Hugh Wise, E. F.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Nathan, Major H. L.
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.) Noel Baker, P. J. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.) Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. T. Henderson.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)

Question, "That the proposed words be there inserted in the Bill," put, and agreed to.