HC Deb 20 February 1930 vol 235 cc1576-8
69. Major NATHAN

asked the President of the Board of Education the aggregate sum by which he estimates local rates will be increased by reason of the proposed maintenance grants under the projected Education Bill?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

The proportion of the expenditure on the proposed maintenance allowances to be met from the rates is estimated at £1,200,000 for the first full year. For a fuller statement I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the financial memorandum attached to the Bill.

70. Miss LEE

asked the President of the Board of Education if he will state the assumed means test which, if removed, would add, approximately, £2,000,000 to the cost of the proposed children's allowances for the first school year on the raising of the school age?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

The estimated cost of the proposed maintenance allowances, given in the financial memorandum to the Education (School Attendance) Bill, was based not on any particular means test, but on various calculations as to the number of children likely to qualify for maintenance allowances under any reasonably elastic system. As explained in the memorandum, the cost is not yet susceptible of close estimation.

Miss LEE

Will the right hon. Gentleman supply the figures of the respective authorities on which this calculation is based?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

No, I cannot do that. They are necessarily uncertain estimates.

Miss LEE

How could a definite figure of approximately £2,000,000 be arrived at if the Estimates are uncertain, and will the right hon. Gentleman consider letting us know the basis of his calculations?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

It is an estimate on approximate and not definite figures.

Mr. ERNEST BROWN

Will not the right hon. Baronet reconsider his previous answer? Surely it is important for the whole House to know on what basis these figures are arrived at before the Debate takes places. Surely there ought to be nothing secret about the method of calculation.

Sir C. TREVELYAN

When the system of maintenance allowances has been settled, it will be possible to make a closer estimate.

Mr. BROWN

If the basis of calculation has not been settled, what is the use of the figure of £2,000,000?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

It is a general estimate. It cannot be an exact calculation. It is calculated on what the allowances would be under any reasonably elastic system.

Mr. STEPHEN

Will the right hon. Baronet give us the estimated figures under the reasonably elastic system and tell us what the reasonably elastic system is?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

The figures are what the hon. Member gets by looking at the Bill.

71. Sir KINGSLEY WOOD

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is now in a position to make a further statement concerning the means test relating to the maintenance allowances for children in connection with the Government's proposals to raise the school-leaving age?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

No, Sir; I am not yet able to make any further statement.

Sir K. WOOD

Is there any change in the Government's plans in this connection, or are they still determined to go on with this means test?

Sir C. TREVELYAN

The right hon. Gentleman asks me that every week. I shall be very glad to give him private information when there is going to be any change so that he need not ask me again.