HC Deb 31 January 1929 vol 224 cc1141-5

May I ask the Prime Minister what business it is proposed to take next week?


On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, the Local Government (Scotland) Bill, Committee; first four allotted days.

The business for Friday will be announced later.

If there be time on any day, other Orders will be taken.


I wish to put a question to the Prime Minister, through you, Mr. Speaker, regarding the statement that if there is time on any of these days other Orders will be taken. In view of what happened during this week and last week, I would like an explanation. On 22nd January, the House adjourned at 10.24 p.m., and the Government did not attempt to take any other Orders. On 24th January, the House adjourned at 10.51 p.m.; on Friday, 25th January, at 3.34 p.m., and on Monday, 28th January, at 10.57 p.m., and no attempt was made to take any other Orders. But on Tuesday last, at 10.51 p.m., the Chief Whip suddenly announced that a certain Order would be taken. Why should these Orders be passed over on days when more time is available for them?


The procedure which the hon. Member criticised as having taken place at 10.51 p.m. on Tuesday was carried out with the consent of the benches opposite.


But surely the Prime Minister recognises that this House is not composed merely of parties. I take it that private Members have some rights in these matters. Are agreements made without the consent of private Members to overrule those rights?

Lieut-Commander KENWORTHY

Could not some arrangement be made for the benefit of Members in all parts of the House whereby an indication would be given of the other Orders to be taken on certain days? Would it be difficult for the Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury to say what Orders would be taken on certain days if time permitted?


The hon. and gallant Member will see that to-day we specify in the Resolution on the Paper what Orders will be taken to-night. Of course, the hon. and gallant Member knows the procedure of this House very well; he knows what has been customary and that the natural means of communication between the Government and the Opposition are the Whips. It is always open to private Members to ascertain from their Whips exactly what business is being taken.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

While I have no criticism to make of procedure through the ordinary channels, could not the Prime Minister, when announcing the business, say that he intends, if time permits, to take the following Orders, and then specify them, as he frequently has done in the past?


Yes. One might think about that, but, as the hon. and gallant Member knows, in the ordinary conduct of the business of the House it is impossible to tell from day to day whether there may or may not come an opportunity for legislation to be advanced. Sometimes legislation is advanced in that way, by whatever Government may be in power; at other times, Private Members assert themselves,. and often do so with great effect.


Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that on the Second Reading of the Local Government (Scotland) Bill a majority of Scottish Members voted against it, that there is considerable opposition to this Measure in Scotland, and that at a recent by-election a majority of the electors voted against the Government; and in these circumstances will he withdraw the Bill?


I would remind the hon. Member that I have been in the House a great many more years than he has, and I remember on many

occasions English Bills being carried by Scottish and Irish votes.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on the Superannuation (Diplomatic Service) Bill and on the Overseas Trade Bill be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 175; Noes, 105.

Division No. 145.] AYES. [3.52 p.m.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Foster, Sir Harry S. Penny, Frederick George
Albery, Irving James Frece, sir Walter de Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Fremantle, Lt.-Col. Francis E. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony Power, Sir John Cecil
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W Ganzoni, Sir John Pownall, Sir Assheton
Astor, Viscountess Gates, Percy Preston, William
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Price, Major C. W. M.
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Goff, Sir Park Radford, E. A.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Grant, Sir J. A. Raine, Sir Walter
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Ramsden, E.
Berry, Sir George Gunston, Captain D. W. Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Hamilton, Sir George Reid, D. D. (County Down)
Brass, Captain W. Hanbury, C. Rhys, Hon. C. A. U.
Brassey, Sir Leonard Harrison, G. J. C. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y,Ch'ts'y)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Briscoe, Richard George Henn, Sir Sydney H. Ropner, Major L.
Brittain, Sir Harry Hills, Major John Waller Ross, R. D.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hilton, Cecil Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Salmon, Major I.
Buchan, John Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Sandeman, N. Stewart
Buckingham, Sir H. Hopkins, J. W. W. Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Bullock, Captain M. Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) Shaw, Lt.-Col. A.D. Mcl.( Renfrew, W.)
Burman, J. B. Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Shepperson, E. W.
Campbell, E. T. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Sinclair, Col. T.(Queen's Univ., Bell'st.)
Carver, Major W. H. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Skelton, A. N.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Hume-Williams, Sir W. Ellis Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmth, S.) Hurd, Percy A, Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n Kinc'dine, C.)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Somerville, A. A (Windsor)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) King, Commodore Henry Douglas Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Chapman, Sir S. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Christle, J. A. Knox, Sir Alfred Sprot, Sir Alexander
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Lougher, Lewis Stuart, Crichton., Lord C.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere Styles, Captain H. Walter
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Lumley, L. R. Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Colman, N. C. D. MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Conway, Sir W. Martin Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Cope, Major Sir William Maclntyre, Ian Tinne, J. A.
Couper, J. B. McLean, Major A. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Macquisten, F. A. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Crooke, J. Smedley (Derltend) MacRobert, Alexander M. Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Crookshank, Cpt.H.(Lindsey,Gainsbro) Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) Watts, Sir Thomas
Dalkeith, Earl of Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Wells, S. R.
Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) Malone, Major P. B. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Davies, Dr. Vernon Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Margesson, Captain D. Womersley, W. J.
Drewe, C. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Eden, Captain Anthony Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
Edmondson, Major A. Y. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Moore, Sir Newton J. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Ellis, R. G. Moreing, Captain A. H. Wragg, Herbert
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (Norwich)
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Falle, Sir Bertram G Nelson, Sir Frank TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Fermoy, Lord Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exster Commander B. Eyres Monsell and
Fielden, E. B. Oman, Sir Charles William C. Major Sir George Hennessy.
Forestler-Walkar, Sir L. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertlilery) Batey, Joseph
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Barnes, A. Bellamy, A.
Ammon, Charles George Barr, J. Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.
Briant, Frank Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Sexton, James
Bromfield, William Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Shinwell, E.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Buchanan, G. Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sinclair. Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Kelly, W. T. Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Charleton, H. C. Kennedy, T. Stamford, T. W.
Cluse, W. S. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com, Hon. Joseph M. Stephen, Campbell
Clynes, Right Hon. John R. Kirkwood, D. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Compton, Joseph Lansbury, George Sullivan, J.
Connolly, M. Lawrence, Susan Sutton, J. E.
Cowan, D. M (Scottish Universities) Lee, F. Taylor, R. A.
Crawfurd, H. E. Lindley, F. W. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Dennison, R, Lowth, T. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Dunnico, H. Lunn, William Thurtie, Ernest
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Mackinder, W. Tinker, John Joseph
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. MacLaren, Andrew Tomlinson, R. P.
Gibbins, Joseph Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Townend, A. E.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) MacNeill-Weir, L. Wallhead, Richard C.
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Greenall, T. March, S. Watts-Morgan, Lt-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Montague, Frederick Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wellock, Wilfred
Griffith, F. Kingsley Mosley, Sir Oswald Welsh, J. C.
Grundy, T. W. Palin, John Henry Westwood, J.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Hamilton, sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Hardie, George D. Ponsonby, Arthur Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Harris, Percy A. Potts, John S. Windsor, Walter
Hayday, Arthur Purcell, A. A. Wright, W.
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Ritson, J.
Hirst, G. H. Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Saklatvala, Shapurji Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. Hayes
Hore-Belisha, Leslie Scurr, John