HC Deb 30 January 1929 vol 224 cc1092-7

Question put, "That this be the Second Schedule of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 208; Noes, 113.

Division No. 143.] AYES. [10.38 p.m.
Albery, Irving James Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N.(Lady wood) Forrest, W.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Chapman, Sir S. Fraser, Captain Ian
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Clarry, Reginald George Fremantie, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Cobb, Sir Cyril Frece, Sir Walter de
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Gadle, Lieut. Col. Anthony
Astor, Maj Hn. John J. (Kent,Dover) Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Ganzoni, Sir John
Atkinson, C. Cohen, Major J. Brunel Gates, Percy
Bainiel, Lord Collox, Major Wm. Phillips Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Barnatt, Major Sir Richard Colman, N. C. D. Glyn, Major R. G. C.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Cope, Major Sir William Grant, Sir J. A.
Bonn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Couper, J. B. Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Greens, W. P. Crawford
Bethel, A. Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington. N ) Grenfeil, Edward C. (City of London)
Betterton, Henry B. Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester. Crewe) Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Hanbury, C.
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Crookshank, Col. C. de W, (Berwick) Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Boothby, R. J. G. Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainebro) Harland, A.
Braithwalte, Major A. N. Dalkeith, Earl of Hartington, Marquess of
Brass, Captain W. Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington)
Brassey, Sir Leonard Davies, Dr. Vernon Harvey, Major S E. (Devon, Totnes)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Haslam, Henry C
Briggs, J. Harold Dawson, Sir Philip Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Briscoe, Richard George Dean, Arthur Wellesley Henn, Sir Sydney H.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Drewe, C. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Eden, Captain Anthony Hills, Major John Waller
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Edmondson, Major A. J. Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Hope, Sir Harry (Fortar)
Bullock, Captain M. Elliot, Major Walter E. Hopkins, J. W. W.
Burman, J. B. Elits, R. G. Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N
Butler, Sir Geoffrey England, Colonel A. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K.
Campbell, E- T. Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney. N.)
Carver, Major W. H. Everard, W. Lindsay Hudson, R. S (Cumberland, Whiteh'n)
Cassels. J. D. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Hume, Sir G. H.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt, R. (Prtsmth, S.) Fielden, E. B. Hurst, Gerald B.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Iveagh, Countess of Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Sprot, Sir Alexander
James, Lieut.-Colonei Hon. Cuthbert Oakley, T. Stanley, Lieut. Colonel Rt, Hon. G. F.
Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
King, Commodore Henry Douglas Oman, Sir Charles William C. Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Kinloch Cooke, Sir Clement Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Knox, Sir Alfred Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Storry-Deans, R.
Lamb, J. O. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Leigh, Sir John (Clapham) Power, Sir John Cecil Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C.
Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Preston, William Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Little, Dr. E. Graham Price, Major C. W. M. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Loder, J. do V. Radford, E. A Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Long, Major Eric Raine, Sir Walter Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Lougher, Lewis Ramsden, E. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hogh Vere Held, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Luce Major-Gen.Sir Richard Harman Rentoul, G. S. Tinne, J. A.
Lumley, L. R Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y. Ch'ts'y) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford) Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P,
McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Renneil Waddington, R.
Macintyre, Ian Ropner, Major L. Wallace, Captain D. E.
McLean, Major A. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Cotonel E- A. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingstonon-Hull)
Macquisten, F. A. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
MacRobert, Alexander M, Rye, F. G. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyr Sandeman, N. Stewart Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Margesson, Captain D. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Watts, Sir Thomas
Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Sandon, Lord Wells, S. R.
Meyer, Sir Frank Shaw, R. G. (York*. W.R., Sowerby) Williams, A. M. (Cornwall. Northern)
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Shaw, Lt.-Col.A. D. Mcl.(Renfrew, W.) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Moore, Sir Newton J. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Wilson, Sir C. H. (Leeds, Centrall
Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Shepperson, E. W. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Morrison, H. (Wilts. Salisbury) Sinclair, Col T.(Queen's Univ. Belf'st.) Womersley, W. J.
Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Nall, Colonel Sir Joseph Smith Carington. Neville W. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Nelson, Sir Frank Smithers, Waldron
Neville, Sir Reginald J. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mr. Penny and Captain Bowyer.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Ritson, J.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hittsbro') Hardie, George D. Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland)
Amnion, Charles George Havday, Arthur Sourr, John
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Hirst, G. H. Sexton, James
Baker, Walter Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Barnes, A. Hore-Bellsha, Leslie Shinwell, E.
Barr, J. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersffeld) Short, Alfred (Wednetbury]
Batey, Joseph Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Bellamy, A, Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bondfield, Margaret John, William (Rhondda. West) Stamford, T. W.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Stewart, J (St. Rollox)
Broad, F. A. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Sullivan, J.
Bromfield, William Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd' Sutton, J. E.
Bromley, J. Kelly, W. T. Taylor, R. A.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Kennedy, T. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Bachanan, G. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Kirk wood, D. Thurtle, Ernest
Cape, Thomas Lansbury, George Tinker, John Joseph
Charleton, H. C. Lawrence, Susan Tomtinson, R. P.
Cluse, W. S. Lawson, John James Townend, A. E.
Compton, Joseph Lee, F. Viant, S. P.
Connolly, M. Lindley, P. W. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Longbottom, A. W. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Dennison, R. Lowth, T. Wellock, Wilfred
Duncan, C. Lunn, William Welsh, J. C.
Dunnico, H. Mackinder, W. West wood, J.
Gardner, J. P. Maclean, Nell (Glasgow. Govant Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Gibbins, Joseph Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, R).) Williams, C P (Denbtoh. Wrevham)
Glliett, George M. Murnin, H. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark. Hamllton) Oliver, George Harold Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Palin, John Henry Wilson, R J. (Jarrow)
Greenall, T. Paling, W. Windsor, Waller
Greenwood, A (Nelson and Coine) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Pethick, Lawrence, F. W.
Griffith, F. Kingsley Ponsonby, Arthur TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Groves, T. Potts, John S. Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. T.
Grundy, T. W. Purcell, A. A. Henderson.

THIRD SCHEDULE.—(Provisions as to certain payments which heretofore have been payable out of Local Taxation Accounts or out of money which would have been payable to those accounts or hate been required to be charged to Exchequer Contribution Accounts.)

Amendments made:

In page 104, line 37, after the word "rate" insert the words "or part of a rate."—[Mr. Chamberlain.]

Consequential Amendments made.

Question put, "That this Schedule, as amended, be the Third Schedule of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 217; Noes, 102.

Division No. 144.] AYES. [10.51 p.m.
Albery, Irving James Frece, Sir Walter de Oakley, T.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh
Allen, sir J. Sandeman Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Appiln, Colonel R. V. K. Ganzom, Sir John Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Gates, Percy Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Astor, Maj. Hn.John J. (Kent, Dover) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome)
Atxinson, C. Glyn, Major R. G. C. Pitcher, G.
Balniel, Lord Grant, Sir J. A. Power, Sir John Cecil
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Preston, William
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Greene, W. P. Crawford Price, Major C. W. M.
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Grenfell, Edward C. (City of London) Radford, E. A.
Bentinek, Lord Henry Cavendish- Griffith, F. Kingsley Raine, Sir Walter
Bethel, A. Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Ramsden, E.
Bettertcn, Henry B. Hanbury, C. Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Birchall, Major J. Dear-man Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Rentoul, G. S.
Bird. Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Harland, A. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Boothby, R. J. G. Hartington, Marquess of Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford)
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennetl
Brass, Captain W. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Ropner, Major L.
Brassey, Sir Leonard Haslam, Henry C. Rd. gles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Briggs, J. Harold Henn, Sir Sydney H. Rye, F. G.
Briscoe, Richard George Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Salmon, Major I.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hills, Major John Waller Sandeman, N. Stewart
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Holhrook, Sir Arthur Richard Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Sandon, Lord
Brown, Brig. Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Hopkins, J. W. W. Shaw, R. G. (Yorks, W. R., Sowsrby)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hore-Bellsha, Leslie Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl. (Renfrew, W.)
Bullock, Captain M. Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Burman, J. B. Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Shepperson, E. W.
Campbell, E. T. Hudson, capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Carver, Major W. H. Hudson, R. S. (Cumberland, Whiteh'n) Sinclair, Col T.(Queen's Univ., Belfast)
Cassels, J. D. Hume, Sir G. H. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Hurst, Gerald 8. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Smithers, Waldron
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Clarry, Reginald George Iveagh, Countess of Sprot, Sir Alexander
Cobb, Sir Cyril James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Stanley, Lord (Fyide)
Cockerill, Brig-General Sir George Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Cohen, Major J. Brunel King, Commodore Henry Douglas Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Storry, Deans, R.
Colman, N. C. D. Knox, Sir Alfred Stott, Lieut.-Colorel W. H.
Conway, Sir W. Martin Lamb, J. O. Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C.
Cope, Major Sir William Leigh, Sir John (Clapham) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Couper, J. B Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Loder, J. de V. Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Cowan. Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.) Long, Major Eric Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Lougher, Lewis Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Crooke, J. Smedley (Derltend) Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere Tinne, J. A.
Crookshank, Col. c. de W. (Berwick) Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainabro) Lumley, L. R. Tomilnson, R. P.
Dalkeith, Earl of MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Tryon, Rt. Hon. Seorgt Clement
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Macintyre, Ian Waddington, R.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) McLean, Major A, Wallace, Captain D. E.
Dawson, Sir Phillip Macqulsten, F. A. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Drewe, C. MacRobert, Alexander M. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Eden, Captain Anthony Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Edmondson, Major A. J, Marqesson, Captain D. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Watts, Sir Thomas
Elliot, Major Walter E. Meyer, Sir Frank Wells, S. R.
Ellis, R. G. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
England, Colonel A. Moore, Sir Newton J. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Everard, W. Lindsay Moreing, Captain A. H. Wilson, Sir C. H. (Leeds, Central)
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Windsor-Cllve, Lieut.-Colonel George
Falte, Sir Bertram G. Morrison-Bell. Sir Arthur Cllve Womersley, W. J
Fielden, E. B. Mall, Colonel Sir Joseph Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Forestler-Walker, Sir L. Nelson, Sir Frank Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Forrest, W. Neville, Sir Reginald J.
Fraser, Captain Ian Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Captain Rnwyer and Mr. Penny.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Grundy, T. W. Ritson, J.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hardie, George O. Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland)
Ammon, Charles George Hayday, Arthur Scurr, John
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Hirst, G. H. Sexton, James
Baker, Walter Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Barnes, A. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Shinwell, E.
Barr, J. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Batey, Joseph Juhn, William (Rhondda, West) Sitch, Charles H.
Bellamy, A, Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bondneid, Margaret Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Stamford, T. W.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon, Charles W. Kelly, W. T. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Broad, F. A. Kennedy, T. Sullivan, Joseph
Bromfield, William Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Sutton, I. E.
Bromley, J. Kirkwood, O. Taylor, R. A.
Buchanan, G, Lansbury, George Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Lawrence, Susan Thurtie, Ernest
Cape, Thomas Lawson, John James Tinker, John Joseph
Charieton, H. C. Lee, F. Townend, A. E.
Ciuse, W. S. Lindiey, F. W. Viant, S. P.
Compton, Joseph Longbottom, A. W. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Connolly, M. Lunn, William Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Dennison, R. Mackinder, W. Wellock, Wilfred
Duncan, C. Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) Welsh, J. C.
Dunnico, H. Malone, C. L'Estange (N'thampton) Westwood, J.
Gardner, J. P. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Murnin, H. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Gibbins, Joseph Oliver, George Harold Williams, T. (York. Don Valley)
Gillett, George M. Palin, John Henry Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercilffe)
Graham, O. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Paling, W. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Windsor, Walter
Greenall, T. Pethick-Lawrence, F, W. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Coins) Ponsonby, Arthur
Grenfell, O. R. (Glamorgan) Potts, John S. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Graves, T. Purcell, A. A. Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. T. Henderson.

It being after Eleven of the clock, the CHAIRMAN left the Chair to make his Report to the House.

Committee report Progress; to sit again To-morrow.