HC Deb 20 February 1929 vol 225 cc1257-67

I beg to move, in page 31, line 30, after the word "purposes," to insert the words: other than the purposes of a brewery, distillery, or tobacco manufactory. I do not propose to argue this Amendment. Both sides of the case are thoroughly well understood, but I think it desirable that the issue should be raised on the Scottish Bill as well as on the English Bill. We also desire to get on to the next Amendment which deals with the docks, and, therefore, I beg formally to move this Amendment.


On this particular Amendment the facts are not in dispute. The sum involved has been stated quite definitely from the Treasury Bench to be £400,000 per annum. It is admitted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer that this sum is being given to a prosperous trade.[HON. MEMBERS "That sum is for England!"] I am not at the moment giving the figures for Scotland, I will give them in a minute. This is a business with a total capital for both countries of £260,000,000. I come to the profits, because they will determine how far this is a prosperous trade, and how far it is really entitled, whatever you may say under this Bill, to receive this large subsidy. I will give the distilleries first: Buchanan-Dewar, in 1927, declared a dividend of 28 per cent., and Highland Distilleries, a dividend of 50 per cent. I should like to quote, from the "Brewers' Manual," these figures which relate to Scottish brewers: Aitcheson, Edinburgh, paid 12 per cent., free of Income Tax, last year; T. and J. Bernard, Edinburgh, 10 per cont., free of tax; Campbell, Hope and King, Edinburgh, 7½ per cent. and 2½ per cent, bonus; Mc. McEwan, Edinburgh, since 1921 have paid a statutory 10 per cent., Wm. Murray, Edinburgh, 10 per cent., R. Younger, Edinburgh, 15 per cent., tax free; Montgomerie and Company, Glasgow, 15 per cent., and Win. Younger, Edinburgh, 10 per cent. and 10 per cent. bonus. I wish to bring this matter to one or two tests. The first is, is the industry, in the sense originally intended, really a productive industry? "Productive industry" is defined in political economy as one that adds wealth to the nation. Is it not admitted that as this particular industry prospers, so it tends to the decrease and destruction of the wealth of the nation? I take it next from the point of view of the test of employment. The Prime Minister admitted, in a speech in Edinburgh, on 17th June last, that this was a prosperous trade, but he said that by giving this help to some businesses which did not need it we were helping it to expand and thereby to diminish unemployment. I would point out that the more money that is withdrawn from other industry and spent in this industry, the less employment there is in the country. I declare that this industry, by all statistics, is the poorest man-employing, wage, paying, industry in the country. If we take the Census of Production for 1912, we find that a capital of £54,970,000 invested in fruit and confections concerns gives employment to 170,903 persons, whereas a capital of £58,000,000–4,000,000 more—invested in liquor concerns, gives employment only to 91,732 persons. Therefore, in proportion as you foster this trade and develop the capital invested in it, and withdraw capital from other industries, so you are not increasing but reducing employment in the country. I take one ether point. In the Census of Production for 1924, I find that the brewery output is £159,000,000 per annum, and that that gives employment to 67,069 persons, whereas, according to the same Census of Production, £156,095,000 invested in hosiery, boots and shoes, and printing and bookbinding businesses gives employment to 421,000 people. That is six times the number employed by the breweries. Therefore, both on the ground of production and employment, this subsidy and gift are unwarranted.

I wish to call attention to one other thing dealing with de-rating. I find that all over the country the brewing and distilling interests are paying only £3 per £1,000 of the rates of the country, yet you are going to reduce that £3 to 15s. When you remember the amount of poor rate and police rate which is due in large measure to this very industry I say, again, that there is no ground for giving this grant. This is not a gift to the industry, but a gift to the brewers themselves. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that it would be passed on to the consumer, but the "Brewers' Journal" of 15th June expressed astonishment at the right hon. Gentleman's statement as to the possible passing on of this grant. They said that it would only come to 4d. a barrel, and therefore could not be passed on. Thus it is not a gift to the industry, but a gift to the brewers and distillers themselves. It is a reward to them for the great and special services which they are rendering to the country. On all these grounds, and other grounds that might be indicated, I say that it is a very strange formula which gives this sum to the brewers and distillers and excludes dwelling houses, retail shops, and distributive wholesale businesses. It seems to be moral confusion that this and kindred businesses, which are striking at the vitals of the nation, which are destructive of fructifying effort, which are undermining the real wealth of the nation, should be singled out by this Government for favours and rewards while others more deserving, who are in great need, get nothing at all. It seems to me the Government show a certain perversion of moral values. I will not say that they call bitter sweet, and sweet bitter, but I would repeat the words of the prophet: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness.


The Mover of the Amendment spoke very briefly because, I understand, he was desirous of getting on to a further Amendment, and I think it only fair that we should do our utmost to fall in with the sacrifice of time which he made by the curtailment of the Debate. The hon. Member who has just spoken has not adduced any facts which were not adduced on the corresponding stage of the English Bill. [An HON. MEMBER: "He has rubbed them in!"] There is rubbing in, and rubbing in; and I have a crow to pluck with the hon. Member which will not take me very long. I only wish to get in before the hon. Member for Dundee (Mr. Scrymgeour) because I know from bitter experience that, when started, he is fully capable of occupying all the remaining time with his exordium, let alone his peroration.


What objection is there to his speaking? What right has the hon. and gallant Member to object? If others are speaking only for their own pockets, they can speak as long as they wish.


In Scotland we have a little objection to English Members "butting in."


On a point of Order. Is it in order for any hon. or right hon. Gentlemen to object to an elected Member of the House of. Commons taking part in the business? Are there any lines of demarcation of the kind suggested?


The hon. and gallant Member speaking from the Front Bench, was in possession of the Committee.


Was he in order, Sir?




Very well. He may get it returned some day in regard to speaking on English matters.


Really it seems as though the remark of Sydney Smith about a corkscrew being required to get a joke into the head of a Scotsman might be applied to some hon. Members. Apparently, the remedy of the hon. Member for Motherwell (Mr. Barr) for the present state of things in connectionn with the manufacture of liquor, is to say to the local authority "You shall draw four times as much in rates from a distillery or brewery as from any other kind of factory whatever." That would mean that local authorities who had numbers of breweries and distilleries in their areas would be four times better off than other local authorities who were not so fortunate as to attract those trades into their areas. Does the hon. Member not see that that is the surest way to make local authorities favour the establishment of breweries and distilleries in their areas? I leave hon. Members opposite with that, and I simply ask the Committee to observe that the remedy of hon. Members opposite is to say to local authorities, "If you can succeed in getting a brewery established in your area., you shall draw four times as much in rates as other authorities which have no breweries in their areas."


I always understood that it was another implement that Sydney Smith referred to than a corkscrew, but being a Scot perhaps the word "corkscrew" dropped into the mind of the hon. and gallant Member. I am only standing up for a moment to identify myself with the mover, the seconder, and the supporter of this Amendment, not on the ground of figures, but on moral grounds. I am absolutely amazed at the arguments of the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland, and I trust that in the Division Lobby we shall record our dissent from and disgust at the arguments that are being used to bolster up the case of the Government.


I appreciate the anxiety about the docks, because this business leads to the dock. You leave to remember that this is a monopoly, created by a licence policy, and by that policy you have established a tremendous wealth, until its power is paramount in this House. Last night the Irish section of it gave an evidence of it, with the support of the whole Tory party, to let them see what the brewery interest can do. The hon. Member for Motherwell (Mr. Barr) has already dealt fully with the question of employment, but there is a comparison of 5,772 employés, on a £1,000,000 output, in regard to 10 of the outstanding legitimate businesses of our country, according to the Board of Trade statistics, against which you have only 542 people employed by this brewery business.

I put it to the working people and to the House of Commons that this is the biggest drag we have on employment in this country. It was a deplorable thing that during the great miners' struggle, notwithstanding the efforts of two or three Members of this House to raise a boycott of the beer, they could not get a majority of the working people to stand up to this power, showing that in every section of this country this thing has such a tremendous grip, to the deterioration of the interests of the nation at large, that we are really called upon to do something entirely different from making more concessions to a thing which is so powerful that during the War it was able to smash up all the combined efforts that were made to secure prohibition at that time. The sooner the whole of the parties in this House realise this, the better it will be for the interests of the nation.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 116; Noes, 183.

Division No. 212.] AYES. [10.26 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Broad, F. A. Day, Harry
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Bromley, J. Duncan, C.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Brown, Ernest (Leith) Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)
Ammon, Charles George Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Buchanan, G. Forrest, W.
Barnes, A. Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Gardner, J. P.
Barr, J. Cape, Thomas Garro-Jones, Captain G. M.
Batey, Joseph Charleton, H. C. Gillett, George M.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Clarke, A. B. Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)
Bellamy, A. Compton, Joseph Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)
Benn, Wedgwood Cove, W. G. Greenall, T.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Dalton, Hugh Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)
Griffith, F. Kingsley Lunn, William Stephen, Campbell
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Mackinder, W. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) MacNeill-Weir, L. Sullivan, J.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Maxton, James Sutton, J. E.
Hardie, George D. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Taylor, R. A.
Hayes, John Henry Morris, R. H. Tinker, John Joseph
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Naylor, T. E. Tomlinson, R. P.
Hirst, G. H. Paling, W. Townend, A. E.
Hollins, A. Ponsonby, Arthur Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Potts, John S. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Purcell, A. A. Wellock, Wilfred
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Welsh, J. C.
John, William (Rhondda, West) Riley, Ben Westwood, J.
Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Ritson, J. Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O.(W.Bromwich) Whiteley, W.
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Scrymgeour, E. Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Jones, W. N. (Carmarthen) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Kelly, W. T. Shield, G. W. Williams, T. (York. Don Valley)
Kennedy, T. Shiels, Dr. Drummond Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Shinwell, E. Windsor, Walter
Lawrence, Susan Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Wright, W.
Lawson, John James Slesser, Sir Henry H. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Lee, F. Smillie, Robert
Lindley, F. W. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Longbottom, A. W. Snell, Harry Major Owen and Sir Robert
Lowth, T. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Hamilton.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Erskine, Lord (Somerset,Weston-s-M.) Macquisten, F. A.
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith MacRobert, Alexander M.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Everard, W. Lindsay Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel-
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Fairfax, Captain J. G. Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Margesson, Captain D.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Marriott, Sir J. A. R.
Apsley, Lord Fermoy, Lord Mason, Colonel Glyn K.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Ford, Sir P. J. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Atholl, Duchess of Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw-
Atkinson, C, Foster, Sir Harry S. Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Fraser, Captain Ian Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden)
Balniel, Lord Gadie, Lieut. Colonel Anthony Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Galbraith, J. F. W. Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Gates, Percy Murchison, Sir Kenneth
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Nelson, Sir Frank
Berry, Sir George Gower, Sir Robert Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Bethel, A. Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Nuttall, Ellis
Betterton, Henry B. Greene, W. P. Crawford O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton)
Bevan, S. J. Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Gunston, Captain D. W. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Boothby, R. J. G. Hammersley, S. S. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Bowater, Colonel Sir T. Vansittart Harland, A. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kannington) Plicher, G.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Harvey, Majors, E. (Devon, Totnes) Power, Sir John Cecil
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Preston, William
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd,Henley) Price, Major C. W. M.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Henderson, Lieut.-Col. Sir Vivian Radford, E. A.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Henn, Sir Sydney H. Raine, Sir Walter
Buckingham, Sir H. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Cayzer Sir C. (Chester, City) Herbert, S. (York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt.R. (Prtsmth.S.) Hilton, Cecil Rhys, Hon. C. A. U
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Ropner, Major L.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hopkins, J. W. W. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Christie, J. A. Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney. N.) Rye, F. G.
Clayton, G. C. Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Salmon, Major I.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Inskip. Sir Thomas Walker H. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Iveagh, Countess of Sandeman, N. Stewart
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Sandon, Lord
Conway, Sir W. Martin Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Savery, S. S.
Cooper, A. Duff King, Commodore Henry Douglas Shaw, Lt.-Col. A.D. Mcl.(Renfrew,W.)
Cope, Major Sir William Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Skelton, A. N.
Couper, J. B. Lamb, J. Q. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Courtauld, Major J. S. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Loder, J. de V. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Looker, Herbert William Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Lougher, Lewis Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Dalkeith, Earl of Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Stanley, Lieut. Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F.
Davies, Maj. Geo.F. (Somerset,Yeovil) MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Eden, Captain Anthony MacDonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Edmondson, Major A. J. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Elliot, Major Walter E. MacIntyre, Ian Tasker, R. Inigo
Ellis, R. G. McLean, Major A. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough Watts, Sir Thomas Windsor-Clive, Lieut-Colonel George
Waddington, R. Wayland, Sir William A. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Wallace, Captain D. E. Wells, S. R. Womersley, W. J.
Ward, Lt.-Col.A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull) Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Warrender, Sir Victor Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) Wilson, Sir Murrough (Yorks,Richm'd) Mr. F. C. Thomson and Mr. Penny.

It being after half-past Ten of the Clock, the CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to the Order of the House of 12th December, successively to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at half-past Ten of the Clock at this day's Sitting.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 192; Noes, 121.

Division No. 213.] AYES. [10.34 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Fermoy, Lord Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. Charles Ford, Sir P. J. Murchison, Sir Kenneth
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Nelson, Sir Frank
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Foster, Sir Harry S. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Fraser, Captain Ian Nuttall, Ellis
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton)
Apsley, Lord Galbraith, J. F. W. O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Gates, Percy Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Atholl, Duchess of Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Atkinson, C. Gower, Sir Robert Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Balniel, Lord Greene, W. P. Crawford Pilcher, G.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Power, Sir John Cecil
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E Preston, William
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Gunston, Captain D. W. Price, Major C. W. M.
Berry, Sir George Hammersley, S. S. Radford, E. A.
Bethel, A. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Raine, Sir Walter
Betterton, Henry B. Harland, A. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Bevan, S. J. Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Rhys, Hon. C. A. U.
Blundell, F. N. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Ropner, Major L.
Boothby, R. J. G. Henderson,Capt.R.R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft. Henderson, Lieut.-Col. Sir Vivian Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Henn, Sir Sydney H. Rye, F. G.
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Salmon, Major I.
Briscoe, Richard George Herbert, S. (York, N. R.,Scar. & Wh'by) Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hilton, Cecil Sandeman, N. Stewart
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Sanderson, Sir Frank
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Hopkins, J. W. W. Sandon, Lord
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Savery, S. S.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Hudson, Capt. A. U.M. (Hackney, N.) Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl.(Renfrew.W.)
Buckingham, Sir H. Hume, Sir G. H. Skelton, A. N.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmth.S.) Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dlne, C.)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Iveagh, Countess of Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Christie, J. A. King, Commodore Henry Douglas Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. [...]
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Clayton, G. C. Lamb, J. Q. Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Loder, J. de V. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Looker, Herbert William Tasker, R. Inigo
Conway, Sir W. Martin Lougher, Lewis Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Cooper, A. Duff Luce. Major-Gen. Sir Richard Herman Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Cope, Major Sir William MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Couper, J. B. Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) Waddington, R.
Courtauld, Major J. S. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Ward, Lt.-Col.A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) MacIntyre, Ian Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) McLean, Major A. Warrender, Sir Victor
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Macmillan, Captain H. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Crookshank,Cpt.H.(Lindsey.Gainsbro) Macquisten, F. A. Watts, Sir Thomas
Dalkeith, Earl of MacRobert, Alexander M. Wayland, Sir William A.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovll) Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Wells, S. R.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Eden, Captain Anthony Margesson, Captain D. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Edmondson, Major A. J. Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Elliot, Major Walter E. Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Wilson, Sir Murrough (Yorks.Richm'd)
Ellis, R. G. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Mitchell, S, (Lanark, Lanark) Womersley, W. J.
Everard, W. Lindsay Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Moore, Lieut.-Col. T. C. R. (Ayr) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Mr. Penny and Captain Wallace.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hardie, George D. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hayes, John Henry Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Shield, G. W.
Ammon, Charles George Hirst, G. H. Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Hollins, A. Shinwell, E.
Barr, J. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Batey, Joseph Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Sitch, Charles H.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Bellamy, A. John, William (Rhondda, West) Smillie, Robert
Benn, Wedgwood Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Bennett, William (Battersea, Sou'h) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Snell, Harry
Broad, F. A. Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Bromley, J. Jones, W. N. (Carmarthen) Stephen, Campbell
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Kelly, W. T. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Kennedy, T. Strauss, E. A.
Buchanan, G. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Sullivan, Joseph
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Lawrence, Susan Sutton, J. E.
Cape, Thomas Lawson, John James Taylor, R. A.
Charleton, H. C. Lee, F. Tinker, John Joseph
Clarke, A. B. Lindley, F. W. Tomilnson, R. P.
Compton, Joseph Longbottom, A. W. Townend, A. E.
Cove, W. G. Lowth, T. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lunn, William Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Dalton, Hugh Mackinder, W. Wellock, Wilfred
Day, Harry MacLaren, Andrew Welsh, J. C.
Duncan, c. MacNeill-Weir, L. Westwood, J.
Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Maxton, James Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Forrest, W. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Whiteley, W.
Gardner, J. P. Morris, R. H. Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Naylor, T. E. Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Gillett, George M. Oliver, George Harold Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Owen, Major G. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edln., Cent.) Paling, W. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Greenall, T. Ponsonby, Arthur Windsor, Walter
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Potts, John S. Wright, W.
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Purcell, A. A. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Griffith, F. Kingsley Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Riley, Ben TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Ritson, J. Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. A.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O.(W.Bromwich) Barnes.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Scrymgeour, E.

Question put, and agreed to.