HC Deb 20 February 1929 vol 225 cc1197-219

I beg to move, in page 30, line 2, after the word "repealed," to insert the words: as from the date on which the Minister of Labour shall certify that the number of unemployed insured persons resident in Scotland is not greater than one per cent, of the estimated resident population. The effect of this Amendment would be to retain in being such powers as are applied to Scotland under the Unemployed Workmen Act, 1905. It is true that not a great deal has been done by that Act, but the view of certain of my hon. Friends is that, while there are so many people in the country unemployed, the House of Commons ought not to part with any piece of machinery, however small, which might be used for providing employment for unemployed men in Scotland. There have been a number of discussions in the House on this problem, and, when we consider that in a burgh like Leith, a fortnight ago, there were 5,090 unemployed out of a total of 25,000 insured persons, that there are now 4,800 unemployed, and that for the last seven years the unemployment figure has rarely been below 4,000, those who sit for distressed areas like that cannot view with equanimity the removal of any machinery which might be put in operation to provide work for unemployed men, especially when we realise how little has been done in recent years to work other machinery. It is possible, under the Act in ques- tion, to set up machinery, and I desire that the powers which exist for that purpose should be retained.


I really do not expect that the hon. Member will press this Amendment. It certainly proposes the retention of a piece of machinery, but it is, surely, only blinding ourselves to the gravity and size of the problem to retain a piece of machinery which is not and has not been for many years in operation—[Interruption]—at any rate not to any great extent. It is true that it is possible to set up committees under the Act. There are at present nine such committees, and of these only three, in Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow respectively, have done any work at all for several years. The Aberdeen Committee was recently only acting as an agency for the Glasgow Distress Committee in connection with the sale of their products, such as firewood. The Aberdeen and Edinburgh Distress Committees employ practically no men beyond about 30 in connection with road work, and the Palacerigg colony in Glasgow has practically closed down. There is really no point in retaining a piece of machinery which is not functioning along the lines of the present legislation regarding unemployment, and it would not be possible for us to accept this Amendment.


I ask the Committee to accept this Amendment. I am surprised, if I may say so without offence, at the lack of knowledge of the position shown by the Under-Secretary of State, who on so many questions is usually well informed. It is true that in Edinburgh and Aberdeen the Distress Committees set up under the 1905 Act have not operated to any extent in employing unemployed persons, but there is no reason why they should not operate much more fully than they do at present. In both places there is distress enough to warrant the setting up of such a body, and the taking by that body of active and interested steps to minimise the trouble. In the City of Glasgow, the Under-Secretary is not facing the position at all. In Glasgow the distress committee includes, not only members of the corporation, but outside persons co-opted for the purpose. If my memory serves me, it includes representatives of the Trades Council, the Chamber of Commerce, and certain local authorities, like the parish council, who, for the purposes of this Act, meet and deal with the problem of distress. If the distress committee in Glasgow is not functioning as many of us would desire, it is not because the 1905 Act is in itself bad, nor is it because the distress committee are not capable of dong the work. The distress committee in Glasgow for many years carried on valuable work at Palacerigg. Some people may say that the number of men employed there was not very large. Sometimes it was as low as 60, and sometimes as many as 500. At any rate, between those limits, a number of men were employed. Even if only 100 or 150 were given employment, to those 100 or 150 the matter was terribly important.

It was also important from another point of view, owing to the Under-Secretary's policy. The parish council of Govan, for instance, would very often say to a man, "You are not genuinely seeking work." The Employment Exchange also would say that he was not genuinely seeking work, and now the Department of Health comes along and says that he is not genuinely seeking work. The only test that could be applied in those circumstances was to give the man work; the test of where he was looking for it was often fictitious. The parish council, therefore, in order to apply the test, would say, "We have our colony, and we will give to the distress committee the amount of parish relief that we would otherwise have paid," and would give to the distress committee the full amount of parish relief that a man with his wife and three children would receive, namely 29s. per week, for doing nothing, and would apply this test, which is the only real and effective test in regard to work. One of the great advantages of the distress committee was that in their colony a man could be offered work, while the parish council handed over the 29s. to the distress committee so that they might test the man's bonâ fides. It is not that the 1905 Act has failed. What has happened has been that, in the series of economies applied to everyone except Southern Irish loyalists all debts of honour have been wiped out except in the case of a certain few in Ireland, and the Government have refused to give any assistance in the operation of the Act.

One of the members of the town council in the Division that I represent was for many years Chairman of the Burgh Distress Committee, and he gave it as his opinion that, apart from the question of employing men in the distress committee's colony at Palacerigg, this was a valuable social experiment, with advantages far outwith those of the colony itself. Some of us here have served on the Glasgow Corporation, and I think it was the unanimous view of the members of the Glasgow Corporation that that experiment, while it lasted, never did anyone any harm, that its cost to the nation was comparatively small, and that it did do something to try to mitigate the worst hardships of the unemployment problem in our midst. It is an unfortunate fact—I blame no one for it—that in the House of Commons, when we are dealing with unemployment, we constantly confine our attention to the problem of the unemployed man. The reason why we do that is that we are human, and the man to a large extent is responsible for bringing in the wages on which the women and children depend. But there is also the problem of the unemployed woman, which is equally acute, and, possibly, from the point of view of the morality of the nation, even more important.

The distress committees in Glasgow attempted, it is true in a small way, to tackle that problem apart from the Employment Exchanges. A large number of women, for many reasons, are not insurable, and the distress committee, in their own small way, set up in Watson Street, in the centre of the city, a very valuable organisation, and advertised in the Glasgow Press that women of reliable character were available, not for the purpose of giving actual assistance in cases of child-birth, but for the purpose of doing necessary house-work and so on in such cases. That organisation was a very valuable connecting link between Mrs. A or Mrs. B, who were looking for a job, and Mrs. C, who was desirous of employing them. The Glasgow Corporation were allowed to levy a rate for that work, but they needed in addition some form of Government assistance. The Government always say that work is preferable to relief. Here was a scheme for making work preferable to relief. I put a series of questions to the Government, asking that some help might be given in this case, but the only reply that I got was that the Government at this stage could not afford to give anything at all. I believe that the cost of a Government grant would have amounted to less than £10,000. Here we had land that needed reclaiming, and at the same time idle men, with the distress committee as the connecting link between the idle land and the idle men, and only needing a little Government assistance, which we were told could not be given to them. Now we have the next step, namely, the abolition of this work and the scrapping of the committees. What about the debt of honour of 1905?

The Under-Secretary may say that the Employment Exchanges do that work, and I admit frankly that in most places the Exchanges do do the work. What is wrong with this auxiliary aid? It is not a question of bureaucracy being run at great cost. I have visited Palacerigg Labour Colony once or twice. I know it has been stated that the men were underpaid—and I would have liked to have seen higher wages—and that they were not always housed in the best possible way, but every man preferred even the receipt of a small wage and a fairly satisfactory condition of housing to parish relief. This is the work which the distress committee accomplished. The only case against the project is that it is small. I admit that. If I thought that the Government were going to introduce some scheme that would deal with tens of thousands instead of hundreds, I would modify my opposition to the proposal in this Bill. While there is such terrible poverty in Glasgow and there is this body doing valuable work, I think it would be wrong for this Committee to do anything which would lead to the scrapping of such a useful social experiment carried out by an earnest body of people. To scrap it would be sheer madness and very wrong. I hope that the Committee will divide against the Government proposal. I wish the Under-Secretary would review what he has said and withdraw his opposition and allow the distress committees, meagre as they may be, to operate to the best of their ability.


I wish to express my concurrence with the speech of my hon. Friend the Member for Gorbals (Mr. Buchanan). There is no doubt that for many years very little has been done, and in some cities nothing at all, through the agency of these distress committees, but those of us who have had experience of their working are able to testify that, when they carried out their operations, they did, in some degree, alleviate the distress which was prevalent. My hon. Friend has emphasised what everyone must feel very deeply, that it is not because of the absence of distress in our great constituencies that the distress committees have not done a great deal. I do not say that the constituency, the representation of which I have the honour of sharing, is in the category of the worst cases. Nevertheless, the depression there is exceedingly widespread. There is a feeling of disappointment that the Government are not taking steps seriously to relieve the hardships which are prevalent among so many of our people. One is in a difficulty from the individual standpoint of saying exactly all one feels on this matter, but I am entirely at a loss to know what to do in regard to the many who make application to me.

The outlook is so black for many of these people. Their situation is so poignant that it causes one great sorrow, especially because of the inability of a Government, who talk so freely about the necessity of sustaining a Navy and an Army for home defence, to do anyhing really effective. A large number of our people in the great constituencies are without any home defence at all in this wealthy country. Here are the Government, in this Clause of this Bill dealing with the local government of Scotland, indicating their utter failure and inability to meet the situation. The representative of the Government has asserted that there is really nothing doing on The part of these distress committees, and that therefore they desire to wipe out the system. This is an example of the ignominious plight into which the Government, have fallen, and this is especially noticeable after last night's development, when the Government climbed down after powerful elements had assailed them concerning the compensation claims of Irish loyalists, which, to some extent, I am told, were largely concocted. Here are genuine claims on the part of unfortunate people who are in a state of real desperation.


I want to take part in this Debate as one who claims to know something about the work that is being done in Glasgow. As a member of the parish council when the Act of 1905 was passed, I can remember the beginning of the agitation which led to the passing of that Act when unemployment was rife. Through the efforts of the late Mr. Joseph Fels, an American citizen, a Labour colony was established at Hollesley Bay as an experiment in order to show that, given an opportunity, the unemployed could provide a living for themselves. The experiment worked in such a way that the Conservative Government at that time passed the Act to which I have referred, giving power in Scotland, as in England, to establish Labour colonies. When the Palacerigg colony was started, we were told that we had bought a piece of ground that would not produce foodstuffs, that it was peat and mossland. So-called agricultural experts said that we should be unable to produce foodstuffs there, but we did so. We transformed that piece of moss and peat land into land on which we were able to grow foodstuffs above the average of the foodstuffs grown on land in other parts and on better situated land in Scotland. We placed there men who were unemployed and required assistance. We built them up physically and in other respects. We transformed them, in many cases, from derelicts into men. We took their wives and children and made them a weekly allowance and kept control of them in order to insure that the money was properly spent. This was the result of the work of the distress committee in the city of Glasgow, and the same sort of thing occurred in Edinburgh. If any hon. Members speak to-night and give the history of the distress committee in Edinburgh they will repeat in every detail the story which I am trying to tell about Glasgow. This cost the city a little money. We were entitled to make a rate for a small amount. I think it was a halfpenny in the £. We would have fixed a higher rate if we had been given the power to do so. The State came in and aided in the experiment. It is true that it did not pay for itself —under the conditions that was impossible—but we made the unemployed physically fit, and, self-respect and self-esteem returning to them, we transformed them into capable citizens.

By this local Government Bill, which, we were told, was to give more power than ever to local authorities, the Government are going to take away the power that has already been given in this connection. The Government are going to make it impossible to carry on this experiment which has been such a success and which would have been even more successful if it had been given greater opportunities. The Government are going to rob us of this machinery and leave us without anything at all. We have been told that a certain section of the unemployed do not want work and that what they want is the dole. We know that Members on the opposite side of the Committee feel more detestation with regard to the dole than we do on this side, but we have never claimed the dole. We desire the opportunity to work. In this little experiment, we had an opportunity of giving men work and I claim that it was a success. I would plead with Members on the other side who have the power to do so to use their influence to retain this bit of useful work, so that at some future time we may expand it and find men work instead of giving them the dole. The unemployed, I assert, want work. They do not want charity or Government doles.

7.0 p.m.


I wish to join in the complaint with regard to the taking away of this machinery. I do not think that the Under-Secretary of State really made out a case for the taking away of this machinery. I understand that Government regard the circumstances to-day as being very different from the circumstances in 1905 and that this part of machinery for dealing with the unemployed has become comparatively useless and that therefore they desire to repeal it. I would have more faith in the repeal of this part of the machinery if the Government were really putting something material in its place. No suggestion whatever has been made that the Government desire to put anything in the place of this machinery. It is true, as has been pointed out by my two hon. Friends from Glasgow, that a certain amount of good work has been done in the past under the Act of 1905. There was a certain amount of work carried on and a number of people were helped by this legislation. The Under-Secretary says that they were not very many and that the Act has fallen into desuetude.

The position in Glasgow in regard to this Act was that the Government afterwards did not give the necessary grant to enable the local authority to make full use of the Act. If the Government had been willing to pay more money to the local authority in order to encourage the distress committee to put schemes into operation, then very much more could have been done. In Glasgow, when they were faced with the Government's refusal to make any contribution in order to make the Act effective, the Glasgow Corporation felt that the machinery under this Act was so important that they spent many hundreds of pounds out of the common fund to keep it going. Again and again Glasgow was generous enough to provide the money. Who can say, if Glasgow Corporation had had the central Government behind it in making adequate financial provision, how much more might not have been done under this Act? That is one of the reasons why we object to this legislation being repealed.

After all, this Government may not last for ever. After yesterday one feels more and more how shaky it is. It is evidently becoming as unpopular with its supporters on the back benches as it is in the country with the public as a whole. If we had another Government in office and a Secretary of State for Scotland with vision, and energy, then until that Government could put more adequate schemes upon the Statute Book, such a Secretary of State might see his way to make grants to the local authorities in the necessitous areas which would allow them to do something under this Act for their unemployed. It does not lie with the Under-Secretary to say that very little has been done and that these distress committees are practically non-existent. The reason is that the central authority have starved the local authorities for grants to carry on, and has not done its duty in providing the money. Now the central authority turns round and says that the local authorities have no need for this and that there is other machinery, like unemployment insurance, which has made it obsolete. If it be true that we have got unemployment insurance and various other provision for the unemployed, the fact remains that there are many unemployed who are not receiving benefit and who are not getting work under any scheme. If the Government, instead of handing out this money to brewers and other successful businesses, made some financial provision for the districts and asked them to put this machinery into operation in order to help these people, it would be a much more useful step than scrapping this machinery altogether.

The Under-Secretary has put forward no argument in favour of this Clause, except that this machinery is not being used except on a very limited scale. That is not a good argument for scrapping it altogether. Let him give us some other scheme to provide for these poor people and then we will agree, but nothing has been provided and the poor are being left to their misery while the local authorities are not going to have the chance of doing something through this machinery. There is no case whatever for this Clause. This Government seems to be afraid lest a generous local authority and a Government with a real sense of the needs of the unemployed should make use of this and incur expenditure which would afterwards result in increased rates or taxation and they are therefore putting a bar in the way of their successors using this Act. I appeal to the Government to allow this machinery to remain and to delete this Clause from the Bill. If it is not doing any good, it is not doing any harm on the Statute Book. Let us not have to come to the House of Commons under another Government to pass similar legislation. Let us leave it on the Statute Book so that it can be used in the future to help these poor people.


If we had some guarantee that there would be a continuous reduction in unemployment, one could understand this Clause abolishing the 1905 Act. Since the reverse is the case, I cannot conceive why any machinery dealing with unemployment should be scrapped. Reference has been made to the Palacerigg scheme and statements have been made from the Government benches as to its uselessness. How can it be described as useless? No matter what Acts of Parliament you pass, you cannot detract from the value of the experiment by which we were able to prove that bogland can be made to grow corn. By doing that we achieved something worth any amount of money. If any Government had been desirous of developing that research especially for application to the upper lands of Scotland, where the cry has always been that you cannot grow corn, the gain would have been enormous. On the Rob Roy estate the bog is characteristic of all the kinds of bog in Scotland. When the Committee first visited this place after the 1905 Act came into operation, the same statements were made as to the impossibility of its success.

That experiment showed the power of man and science applied to a bog, but there was something more than the material effect. The unemployed man when he reached Palacerigg was there in a school. It was a new kind of research work in which he was to be personally engaged. The moment you interest an individual, education is always possible. When this was started in Palacerigg, it was looked upon as hopeless by many men who were held to have great knowledge of agriculture. Since the day it was a success every Government in power has tried to hide the report and the results of Palacerigg, though we on these benches and outside the House have been asking them to apply it to other lands in Scotland. If that had been done during all these years, unemployed men would have been reclaiming acre after acre of land in Scotland. We are therefore scrapping more than the Act itself.

We are told that there is an Unemployment Insurance Act, but I hope the House does not think that an unemployed man is satisfied because he is insured when he is out of work. The man with a wife and family has nothing but hate in his mind towards going to the Exchange and having to stand in a queue. Schemes like Palacerigg do give a man an interest in the work provided for him. It was not useless labour or a test task. It was a real experiment, a real question of research as to what could be done with certain kinds of land. The value of this experiment is a good ground for the retention of this Act. I know of nothing that ever paid so well as that experi- ment. Of course, if you take the balance sheet and look at the pounds, shillings and pence, it does not pay in that sense, but it demonstrated something worth millions to this country when they apply the facts of that experiment on bog land.

Did it pay? Of course it did. It may not have paid a big dividend, and a number of expensive directors, but it paid in this way, that it became a colony not of men degraded by a system of doles but of men directly interested and concerned in the work which they were doing. They were kept from becoming demoralised. Every man engaged in this work, no matter what had been his previous trade or occupation, was keenly interested in it and felt that he must do all he could to become as efficient as possible. And they were able to see the results of their labour. The Government now propose to destroy the power of embarking on such schemes as this. We are not going to get rid of our unemployment problem very easily or very quickly, and I think that we shall be faced with the problem of cultivating every yard of land in these islands in order to provide for the people. This experiment proves that bog land can be cultivated. Every yard of land in the country should be cultivated in the interests of the unemployed. The Government are proposing to wipe out this Act altogether, and take away powers from local people, who have the knowledge of local needs and circumstances, and operate the whole proceedings from Whitehall. I want to see this experiment extended and developed by the people in the localities in order that this land of ours shall be much better cultivated than it is at the present time.


I am astonished that any representative from Scotland should support the proposal in this Clause. In our industrial areas hundreds of pounds are being paid out every week upon which we get no return, and our people are gradually degenerating. Under the Act of 1925, in certain conditions, work of this kind can be put in force. I do not share some of the opinions which have been expressed in regard to the reclamation of bog-land. I hope hon. Members of the Labour party will make up their minds that when we experiment on the land in this country it will not always be on the worst land, not always on the bog-land that we shall spend the nation's money while other people are enjoying the fruits of land which ought to be worked. We have plenty of bog and moorland in the county of Lanark. In the north-eastern portion of the county it lies for miles and on the fringes we have a population of idle people. What happened. Some men from Holland came across and drained that land. They were able to make a good thing in selling moss litter and turf. Foreigners can make more of our soil than we can ourselves because we have been divorced from the soil for so long. We have not the knowledge. I do not think the Act of 1925 should be repealed. It gives certain powers. It is true that they have not been utilised to the full, but there was no one to compel local authorities to put this provision into operation. I would much rather pay a man £5 a week for any work than pay him 30s. for being idle. In the one case the man is degenerating, but in the other you are getting some return for your money and at the same time keeping the man fit so that it is possible for him to take suitable work when the opportunity occurs. I hope hon. Members from Scotland will follow the example of some hon. Members last night in insisting on the Government doing something in this matter, and in doing so justify their position as representatives of Scotland.


I have great sympathy with what has been said by the hon. Member who has just sat down, that it is much more important to give people remuneration for work done than to give them anything in the shape of a dole. Quite obviously it maintains the self-respect of a man, which charity never can do, and while people have been compelled to accept charity I am sure we should all regard it as more agreeable to our national pride if work could be given instead of charity. I came into contact with the Act of 1925 when I was Minister of Labour and my recollection of the working of that Measure is that in many parts of Scotland it did work very effectively, but gradually its effect died off. I remember the case of Edinburgh, I think of Dundee, and also Aberdeen, but Glasgow more than any other place continued its operation until a comparatively late period. I can recall now an application made to myself with regard to the acquisition of certain land about 30 miles from Glasgow, which it was thought could be developed by the Glasgow Distress Committee, and which would also find employment for many of the unemployed I am not sure that some hon. Members opposite have not exaggerated the effect of this particular Statute. It is true that it stimulated activity, but I am not sure that it provided any effective assistance. For example, on one occasion a Government grant was given, but I do not think any Government grants are available now for the purposes of this Act, and, therefore, there is nothing to assist its operation. On the other hand, there was the power given to the town council to levy a rate for administrative purposes. My recollection of the matter in Glasgow is that there was some difficulty in getting the rate voted for this particular purpose. I may be wrong.


As a matter of fact, the money in the Common Good Fund was diverted from this particular purpose to certain enterprises which were not making a profit and the Common Good Fund could not stand the strain.


I was coming to that. It was financed in Glasgow out of the Common Good Fund. My recollection is that something was owing to the Common Good Fund, and that everything has now rather fallen into abeyance. It is far better to have a more effective instrument than the one we have at the present time. I sympathise with the Government in thinking that not very much is going to be obtained by keeping this Act in operation, because it is not functioning at the present time to any appreciable extent. While I agree with the general sentiments expressed by hon. Members opposite and the principle enunciated, I think too much importance is being given to this particular Act because it has failed, and for other means of obtaining employment for our unemployed we must look to some far more effective instrument than this Act. For that reason I cannot support the Amendment and vote against, the Government.


I am surprised that there has been no reply either from the Under-Secretary or the Lord Advocate to the arguments which have been put forward in support of the Amendment. I expected that we should have had a reply from the Government before half-past seven o'clock, but evidently they have made up their minds that they are going to oppose the Amendment. It means that the one little bit of practical legislation which stands to the credit of the Tory party, so far as providing useful work for the unemployed is concerned, is to be sacrified. I want to warn the Under-Secretary of the danger of that policy. This Act should remain on the Statute Book. The only reason why it has practically fallen into disuse is because local authorities have not been provided by the Government with a sufficient amount of money to enable them to work it. Not only that, but they have denied local authorities the power to raise

rates locally; they have limited them to a rate of one halfpenny in the £. It is not possible for any local authority to enter into the development of these schemes on a rate of one halfpenny in the £. We cannot afford to scrap a single particle of legislation which enables us to deal in any way with the unemployed problem. It is of such a character that we should retain every bit of legislation which enables us to deal with it, and, therefore, I hope the Government will accept the Amendment.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted."

The Committee divided; Ayes, 130; Noes, 209.

Division No. 208.] AYES. [7.30 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Shinwell, E.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hardie, George D. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Ammon, Charles George Harris, Percy A. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Hayes, John Henry Sitch, Charles H.
Barnes, A. Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Barr, J. Hirst, G. H. Smillie, Robert
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Hollins, A. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Bellamy, A. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Benn, Wedgwood Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) John, William (Rhondda, West) Stephen, Campbell
Bondfield, Margaret Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Strauss, E. A.
Broad, F. A. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Sullivan, J.
Bromley, J. Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sutton, J. E.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Jones, W. N. (Carmarthen) Taylor, R. A.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Kelly, W. T. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Buchanan, G. Kennedy, T. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Lawson, John James Thurtie, Ernest
Cape, Thomas Lee, F. Tinker, John Joseph
Charieton, H. C. Lindley, F. W. Tomlinson, R. P.
Clarke, A. B. Livingstone, A. M. Townend, A. E.
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Lowth, T. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Connolly, M. Lunn, William Wallhead, Richard C.
Cove, W. G. Mackinder, W. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) MacLaren, Andrew Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Crawfurd, H. E. MacNeill-Weir, L. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Dalton, Hugh Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Wellock, Wilfred
Day, Harry Maxton, James Welsh, J. C.
Dennison, R. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (paisley) Westwood, J.
Duncan, C. Morris, R. H. Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Dunnico, H. Naylor, T. E. Whiteley, W.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Palin, John Henry Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Forrest, W. Paling, W. Ponsonby, Arthur Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Gardner, J. P. Potts, John s. Williams, T. (York Dan Valley)
Gillett, George M. Purcell, A. A. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Rees, Sir Beddoe Windsor, Walter
Greenall, T, Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wright, W.
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Riley, Ben Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Grentell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Ritson, J.
Griffith, F. Kingsley Scrymgeour, E. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Major-General Sir Robert Hutchison
Groves, T. Shepherd, Arthur Lewis and Major Owen.
Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Shield, G. W.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Apsley, Lord Barclay-Harvey, C. M.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Bellairs, Commander Carlyon
Alexander, Sir Wm, (Glasgow, Cent'l) Atkinson, C. Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish-
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Balfour, George (Hampstead) Berry, Sir George
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Balniel, Lord Bethel, A.
Birchall, Majar J. Dearman Grant, Sir J. A. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Blundell, F. N. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William
Boothby, R. J. G. Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Penny, Frederick George
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Greene, W. P. Crawford Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W, Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Perring, Sir William George
Briggs, J. Harold Gunston, Captain D. W. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Briscoe, Richard George Hammersley, S. S. Pitcher, G.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Preston, William
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Harland, A. Price, Major C. W. M.
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Hartington, Marquess of Radford, E. A.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd, Hexham) Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Raine, Sir Walter
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Rawson, Sir Cooper
Buckingham, Sir H. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Bullock, Captain M. Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Rentoul, G. S.
Burton, Colonel H. W. Henderson, Lieut.-Col. Sir Vivian Ropner, Major L.
Campbell, E. T. Henn, Sir Sydney H. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut-Colonel E. A.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cayzer, Maj.Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmth.S.) Herbert, S. (York, N. R.,Scar. & Wh'by) Rye, F. G.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hilton, Cecil Salmon, Major I.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Hohier, Sir Gerald Fitzroy Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm.,W.) Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Sandeman, N. Stewart
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Hopkins, J. W. W. Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Christie, J. A. Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Sanderson, Sir Frank
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Sandon, Lord
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Hume, Sir G. H. Savery, S. S.
Clarry, Reginald George Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D.Mcl.(Renfrew,W.)
Clayton, G. C. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Skelton, A. N.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Iveagh, Countess of Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Conway, Sir W. Martin King, Commodore Henry Douglas Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cooper, A. Duff Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cope, Major Sir William Lamb, J. Q. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Couper, J. B. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Courtauld, Major J. S. Locker-Lampson, Com.O. (Handsw'th) Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F.
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Loder, J. de V. Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Looker, Herbert William Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Lougher, Lewis Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Crookshank, Cpt.H.(Lindsey,Gainsbro) Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Dalkeith, Earl of MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Tasker, R. Inigo.
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) Templeton, W. P.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) MacIntyre, Ian Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Davies, Dr. Vernon McLean, Major A. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Eden, Captain Anthony Macmillan, Captain H. Waddington, R.
Edmondson, Major A. J. Macquisten, F. A. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Elliot, Major Walter E. MacRobert, Alexander M. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Ellis, R. G. Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.) Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Erskine, James Malcolm Montelth Margesson, Captain D. Watts, Sir Thomas
Everard, W. Lindsay Mason, Colonel Glyn K. Wayland, Sir William A.
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Wells, S. R.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Fermoy, Lord Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Ford, Sir P. J. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Wilson, Sir Murrough (Yorks, Richm'd)
Foster, Sir Henry S. Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Fraser, Captain Ian Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Gadia, Lieut.-Col. Anthony Murchison, Sir Kenneth Womersley, W. J.
Galbraith, J. F. W. Nail, Colonel Sir Joseph Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Ganzoni, Sir John Nelson, Sir Frank Worthington- Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Gates, Percy Nicholson, Col. Rt.Hn.W.G.(Ptrst'ld.)
Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Nuttall, Ellis TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Gower, Sir Robert O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) Mr. F. C. Thomson and Sir Victor
Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Warrender.

It being after half-past Seven of the Clock the CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to the Order of the House of 12th. December, successively to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at half-post Seven of the Clock at this day's Sitting.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 209; Noes, 131.

Division No. 209.] AYES. [7.38 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Balfour, George (Hampstead)
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Apsley, Lord Balniel, Lord
Alexander, Sir Wm. (Glasgow, Cent'l) Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Barclay-Harvey, C. M.
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Atkinson, C. Bellairs, Commander Carlyon
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Nuttall, Ellis
Berry, Sir George Gower, Sir Robert O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton)
Bethel, A. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Grant, Sir J. A. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Blundell, F. N. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Penny, Frederick George
Boothby, R. J. G. Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Greene, W. P. Crawford Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Pitcher, G.
Briogs, J. Harold Gunston, Captain D. W. Preston, William
Briscoe, Richard George Hammersley, S. S. Price, Major C. W. M.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Radford, E. A.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Harland, A. Raine, Sir Walter
Broun-Lindsay, Major H Hartington, Marquass of Rawson, Sir Cooper
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington)
Brown, Brig.-Gen.H.C.(Berks, Newb'v) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Rentoul, G. S.
Buckingham, Sir H. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Ropner, Major L.
Bullock, Captain M. Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd,Henley) Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Burton, Colonel H. W. Henderson, Lieut.-Col. Sir Vivian Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Campbell, E. T. Henn, Sir Sydney H. Rye, F. G.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Salmon, Major I.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth.S.) Herbert,S. (York, N. R.,Scar.& Wh'by) Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hilton, Cecil Sandeman, N. Stewart
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Hohier, Sir Gerald Fitzroy Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.Sir J.A.(Birm.,W.) Hope,, Sir Harry (Forfar) Sanderson, Sir Frank
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Hopkins. J. W. W. Sandon, Lord
Christie, J. A. Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S. Savery, S. S.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl.(Renfrew,W.)
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Hume, Sir G. H. Skelton, A. N.
Clarry, Reginald George Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Clayton, G. C. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n A Kinc'dine. C.)
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Iveagh, Countess of Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips King, Commodore Henry Douglas Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Conway, Sir W. Martin Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Cooper, A. Duff Lamb. J. Q. Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F.
Cope, Major Sir William Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Couper, J. B. Locker-Lampson, Com.O. (Handsw'th) Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Courtauld, Major J. S. Loder, J. de V. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Looker, Herbert William Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Lougher, Lewis Tasker, R. Inigo.
Cronkshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Templeton, W. P.
Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey,Gainsbro) MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Dalkeith, Earl of Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) Titchfield, Major the Marquess of.
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Davies, Maj. Geo.F.(Somerset, Yeovil) MacIntyre, Ian Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) McLean, Major A. Waddington, R.
Davies, Dr. Vernon Macmillan, Captain H. Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Eden, Captain Anthony Macquisten, F. A. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Edmondson, Major A. J. MacRobert, Alexander M. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Elliot, Major Walter E. Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel Watts, Sir Thomas
Ellis, R. G. Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Wayland, Sir William A.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Margesson, Captain D. Wells, S. R.
Erekine, James Malcolm Monteith Mason, Colonel Glyn K. White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Everard, W. Lindsay Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Fairfax, Captain J. G. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Wilson, Sir Murrough (Yorks, Richm'd)
Fermoy, Lord Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Ford, Sir P. J. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Morrison, H. (Wilts. Salisbury) Womersley, W. J
Foster, Sir Harry S. Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Fraser, Captain Ian Murchison, Sir Kenneth Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony Nail, Colonel Sir Joseph
Galbraith, J. F. W. Nelson, Sir Frank TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Ganzoni, Sir John Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Captain Wallace and Sir Victor
Gates, Percy Nicholson,Col.Rt.Hon.W.G.(Ptrst'ld.) Warrender.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Bromley, J. Dennison, R.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Brown, Ernest (Leith) Duncan, C.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Dunnico, H.
Ammon, Charles George Buchanan, G. Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.)
Barnes, A. Cape, Thomas Forrest, W.
Barr, J. Charieton, H. C. Gardner, J. P.
Batey, Joseph Clarke, A. B. Gillett, George M.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)
Bellamy, A. Connolly, M. Greenall, T,
Benn, Wedgwood Cove, W. G. Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne)
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)
Bondfield, Margaret Crawfurd, H. E. Griffith, F. Kingsley
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Dalton, Hugh Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)
Broad, F. A. Day, Harry Groves, T.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Sullivan, J.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Morris, R. H Sutton, J. E.
Hamilton, Sir R (Orkney & Shetland) Naylor, T. E. Taylor, R. A.
Hardie, George D. Owen, Major G. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Harris, Percy A. Palin, John Henry Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Paling, W. Thurtie, Ernest
Hirst, G. H. Ponsonby, Arthur Tinker, John Joseph
Hollins, A. Potts, John S. Tomlinson, R. P.
Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Purcell, A. A. Townend, A. E.
Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Rees, Sir Beddoe Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Richardson, R. (Hougtiton-le-Spring) Wallhead, Richard C.
John, William (Rhondda. West) Riley, Ben Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Ritson, J. Watts-Morgan, Lt. Col. D. (Rhondda)
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Scrymgeour, E Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Wellock, Wilfred
Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Welsh, J. C.
Jones, W. N. (Carmarthen) Shield. G. W. Westwood, J.
Kelly, W. T. Shiels, Dr. Drummond Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Kennedy, T. Shinwell, E. Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Lawson, John James Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Lee, F. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Lindley, F. W. Sitch, Charles H. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Livingstone, A. M. Slesser, Sir Henry H. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Lowth, T. Smillie, Robert Windsor, Waiter
Lunn, William Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) Wright, W.
Mackinder, W. Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
MacLaren, Andrew Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
MacNeill-Weir, L. Stephen, Campbell TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Hayes.
Maxton, James Strauss, E. A.

Clauses 28 (Power of local authorities to appropriate property) and 29 (Provision, as to inquiries.)

Question put, "That Clauses 28 and 29 stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 202; Noes, 131.

Division No. 210.] AYES. [7.48 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Gunston, Captain D. W.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Cohen, Major J. Brunel Hammersley, S. S.
Alexander, Sir WM. (Glasgow, Cent'l) Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman Conway, Sir W. Martin Harland, A.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Cooper, A. Duff Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Cope, Major Sir William Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Apsley, Lord Couper, J. B. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W Courtauld, Major J. S. Henderson,Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd, Henley)
Atkinson, C. Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Henderson, Lieut. Col. Sir Vivian
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Crooks, J. Smedley (Deritend) Henn, Sir Sydney H.
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.
Balniel, Lord Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) Herbert, S.(York, N. R.Scar. & Wh'by)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Dalkeith, Earl of Hilton, Cecil
Bellairs, Commander Cariyon Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford) Hohier, Sir Gerald Fitzroy
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) Hopkins, J. W. W.
Berry, Sir George Davies, Dr. Vernon Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert S.
Bethel, A. Eden, Captain Anthony Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney. N.)
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Edmondson, Major A. J. Hume, Sir G. H.
Blundell, F. N. Elliot, Major Walter E. Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Ellis, R. G. Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Iveagh, Countess of
Briggs, J. Harold Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Kennedy, A. R. (Preston)
Briscoe, Richard George Everard, W. Lindsay King, Commodore Henry Douglas
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Fairfax, Captain J. G. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Lamb, J. Q.
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley)
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Fermoy, Lord Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Ford, Sir P. J. Loder, J. de V.
Buckingham, Sir H. Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Looker, Herbert William
Bullock, Captain M. Foster, Sir Harry S. Lougher, Lewis
Burton, Colonel H. W. Fraser, Captain Ian Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman
Campbell, E. T. Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Galbraith, J. F. W. Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart)
Cayzer,Maj.Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Gates, Percy McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton Macintyre, Ian
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Gower, Sir Robert McLean, Major A.
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.Sir J.A.(Birm.,W.) Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Macmillan, Captain H.
Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Grant, Sir J. A. Macquisten, F. A.
Christie, J. A. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. MacRobert, Alexander M
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Greaves-Lord, Sir Walter Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel-
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Greene, W. P. Crawford Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn
Clarry, Reginald George Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Margesson, Capt. D.
Clayton, G. C. Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Mason, Colonel Glyn K.
Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Reid, Capt. Cunningham (Warrington) Templeton, W. P.
Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Rentoul, G. S. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Ropner, Major L. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Ruggies-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Waddington, R.
Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Rye, F. G. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Salmon, Major I. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Murchison, Sir Kenneth Sandeman, N. Stewart Watts, Sir Thomas
Nail, Colonel Sir Joseph Sanderson, Sir Frank Wayland, Sir William A.
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Sandon, Lord Wells, S. R.
Nicholson, Col. Rt.Hon.W.G. (Ptrst'ld.) Savery, S. S. White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Nuttall, Ellis Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D.Mcl. (Renfrew, W) Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) Skelton, A. N. Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Penny, Frederick George Smith-Carington, Neville W. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Southby, Commander A. R. J. Womersley, W. J
Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Spender-Clay, Colonel H. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Pilcher, G. Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Preston, William Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Price, Major C. W. M. Streatfeild, Captain S. R. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Radford, E. A. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Captain Wallace and Sir Victor
Raine, Sir Walter Sugden, Sir Wilfred Warrender.
Rawson, Sir Cooper Tasker, R. Inigo
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife. West) Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Shield, G. W.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Ammon, Charles George Hardie, George D. Shinwell, E.
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Barnes, A. Hirst, G. H. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Barr, J. Hollins, A Sitch, Charles H.
Batey, Joseph Hudson, J. H. Huddersfield Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Smillie, Robert
Bellamy, A. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe.)
Benn, Wedgwood John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bennett, William (Battersea, South) Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Bondfield, Margaret Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Stephen, Campbell
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Broad, F. A. Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Strauss, E. A.
Bromley, J. Jones, W. N. (Carmarthen) Sullivan, J.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Kelly, W. T. Sutton, J. E.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Kennedy, T. Taylor, R. A.
Buchanan, G. Lawson, John James Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Lee, F. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Cape, Thomas Lindley, F. W. Thurtie, Ernest
Charleton, H. C. Livingstone, A. M. Tinker, John Joseph
Clarke, A. B. Lowth, T. Tomilnson, R. P.
Connolly, M. Lunn, William Townend, A. E.
Cove, W. G. Mackinder, W. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) MacLaren, Andrew Wallhead, Richard C.
Crawfurd, H. E. MacNeill-Weir, L. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Dalton, Hugh Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Day, Harry Maxton, James Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Dennison, R. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Wellock, Wilfred
Duncan, C. Morris, R. H. Welsh, J. C.
Dunnico, H. Naylor, T. E. Westwood, J.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Owen, Major G. Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Palin, John Henry Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Forrest, W. Paling, W. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Gardner, J. P. Ponsonby, Arthur Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Potts, John S. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Gillett, George M. Purcell, A. A. Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Rees, Sir Beddoe Windsor, Walter
Greenall, T. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wright, W.
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Riley, Ben Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Ritson, J.
Griffith, F. Kingsley Runciman, Hilda (Cornwall, St. Ives) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Serymgeour, E. Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Hayes.
Groves, T. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)