HC Deb 17 May 1928 vol 217 cc1384-9
Mr. LEES-SMITH

I beg to move, in page 6, line 4, to leave out the words, "with the concurrence of the Bank."

I am moving this Amendment in order to extract some information from the Government, and I want to put some questions on matters which ought to be cleared up at this stage. This is a Clause which allows the Bank of England and the Government in conjunction, to modify the Bank return which is issued every Thursday, and has been issued for some generations. I wish to ask the Government what use they intend to make of this Clause? Do they intend to use it merely in order to carry out the automatic changes in the Bank Return, which the passage of this Bill will necessitate; or do they intend to take this oppor- tunity of introducing some forms into the Bank Return in order to provide that it shall give information which has been asked for for a good many years? I have no doubt that the Financial Secretary has been asked for these forms, so that there shall be more information, for instance, with regard to the deposits, that it shall be broken up into a larger number of items, and that we should follow the model of the Federal Reserve Banks. There is one point to which I wish to call his attention. The Cunliffe Committee dealt with the subject, and in one of the paragraphs of their Report they recommended that there should be a change in the returns issued by the banks of this country, so that more information should be given to the public, and in fact, it included at the end of its Report a model table, laying down the information which the banks ought to give. That part of the Cunliffe Committee's Report has not been carried out. The banks do not give this informa-

Division No. 135.] AYES. [12.7 a.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Elliot, Major Walter E. Macmillan, Captain H.
Albery, Irving James Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Foster, Sir Harry S. MacRobert, Alexander M.
Applln, Colonel R. V. K. Foxcroft, Captain C. T. Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Fraser, Captain Ian Margesson, Captain D.
Balniel, Lord Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Marriott, Sir J. A. R.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Gadie, Lieut.-Colonel Anthony Mason, Colonel Glyn K.
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Ganzonl, Sir John Meller, R. J.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Garro-Jones. Captain G. M. Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Bethel, A. Gates, Percy Milne, J. S. Wardlaw-
Betterton, Henry 8. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Gower, Sir Robert Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C.
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Nelson, Sir Frank
Brass, Captain W. Grant, Sir J. A. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Greene, W. P. Crawford O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hacking, Douglas H. Oakley, T.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Penny, Frederick George
Broun-Lindsay. Major H. Hammersley, S. S Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Bullock, Captain M. Harland, A. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome)
Burman, J. B. Harrison, G. J. C. Pitcher, G.
Butt, Sir Alfred Hartington, Marquess of Power, Sir John Cecil
Carver, Major W. H. Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Preston, William
Cayzer, Maj, Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, s.) Haslam, Henry C. Price, Major C. W. M.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Raine, Sir Walter
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Ramsden, E.
Christie, J. A. Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Reid, D. D. (County Down)
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A D. Hills, Major John Waller Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y. Ch'ts'y)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Hilton, Cecil Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford)
Cooper, A. Duff Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Cope, Major William Hopkins, J. W. W. Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Couper, J. B. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Courtauld, Major J. S. Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Salmon, Major I.
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Kindersley, Major Guy M. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindaey, Galnsbro) King, Commodore Henry Douglas Sandeman, N. Stewart
Curzon, Captain Viscount Knox, Sir Alfred Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Dalkeith, Earl of Lamb, J. Q. Sandon, Lord
Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. Lougher, Lewis Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovll) Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere Savery, S. S.
Dean, Arthur Wellesley Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Dixey, A. C. MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen Shepperson, E. W.
Drewe, C. Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Skelton, A. N.
Edmondson, Major A. J. Macintyre, Ian Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) McLean, Major A. Smith-Carington, Neville W.

tion and they are not likely to give it unless the Bank of England leads the way. In fact, unless the Bank of England gives more information, there will be no use in the other banks carrying out the suggestions of the Cunliffe Committee. I therefore wish to ask the Government, before the Committee passes this Clause, to tell us exactly what use they intend to make of the power which they seek.

Mr. SAMUEL

There will be nothing other than minor consequential amendments in the form of the Bank return, such as the excision of the reference to silver bullion and the provision of an entry for silver coin.

Mr. LEES-SMITH

That answer, I may say, is entirely unsatisfactory.

Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 168; Noes, 72.

Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Wallace, Captain D. E. Womersley, W. J.
Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F. Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L. (Kingston-on-Hull) Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde)
Steel, Major Samuel Strang Waterhouse, Captain Charles Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Storry-Deans, R. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Wells, S. R. Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple-
Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) Mr. Frederick Thomson and Sir Victor Warrender.
Tomlinson, R. P. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Saklatvala, Shapurji
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hollins, A. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Sitch, Charles H.
Barnes, A. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Batey, Joseph John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Buchanan, G. Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Charleton, H. C. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Stephen, Campbell
Dalton, Hugh Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sullivan, J.
Day, Harry Kelly, W. T. Sutton, J. E.
Duncan, C. Kennedy, T. Thurtle, Ernest
Glbbins, Joseph Kirkwood, D Tinker, John Joseph
Gillett, George M. Lawson, John James Varley, Frank B.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Lindley, F. W. Watson, w. M. (Dunfermline)
Greenall, T. Lunn, William Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Mackinder, W. Wellock, Wilfred
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Welsh, J. C.
Groves, T. Maxton, James Whiteley, W.
Grundy, T. W. Murnin, H. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Oliver, George Harold Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Paling, W. Windsor, Walter
Hayday, Arthur Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Potts, John S. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hirst, G. H. Purcell, A. A. Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. Hayes.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

Division No. 136.] AYES. [12.15 a.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Dalkeith, Earl of Hopkins, J. W. W.
Albery, Irving James Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N).
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Dean, Arthur Wellesley Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Dixey, A. C. Kennedy, A. R. (Preston)
Balniel, Lord Drewe, C. Kindersley, Major G. M.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Edmondson, Major A. J. King, Commodore Henry Douglas
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington) Knox, Sir Alfred
Beamish, Roar-Admiral T. P. H. Elliot, Major Walter E. Lamb, J. Q.
Bethel, A. Fanshawe, Captain G. D. Lucas-Tooth. Sir Hugh Vere
Betterton, Henry B. Foster, Sir Harry S. Luce, Major-Gen, Sir Richard Harman
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Foxcroft, Captain C. T. MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Fraser, Captain Ian Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness)
Brass, Captain W. Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Macintyre, Ian
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Gadie, Lieut.-Col. Anthony McLean, Major A.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Ganzoni, Sir John Macmillan, Captain H.
Brooks, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John MacRobert, Alexander M.
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Gower, Sir Robert Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel-
Bullock, Captain M. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Margesson, Captain D.
Burman, J. B. Grant, Sir J. A. Marriott, Sir J. A. R.
Butt, Sir Alfred Greene, W. P. Crawford Mason, Colonel Glyn K.
Cayzer, Maj, Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Hacking, Douglas H. Meller, R. J.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hail, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Merriman, Sir F. Boyd
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Hammersley, S. S. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M.
Christie, J. A. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Harland, A. Nelson, Sir Frank
Colfox, Major William Phillips Harrison, G. J. C. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Cooper, A. Duff Hartington, Marquess of Oakley, T.
Cope, Major William Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton)
Couper, J. B. Haslam, Henry C. Penny, Frederick George
Courtauld, Major J. S. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Henderson, Capt. R.R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome)
Crookshank, Col. C. tie W. (Berwick) Hills, Major John Walter Pilcher, G.
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Hilton, Cecil Power, Sir John Cecil
Curzon, Captain Viscount Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) Preston, William

The Committee divided: Ayes, 163; Noes, 68.

Price, Major C. W. M. Skelton, A. N. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Raine, Sir Walter Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Ramsden, E. Smith-Carington, Neville W. Wells, S. R.
Reid, D. D. (County Down) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dairymple
Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G.F. Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford) Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Renneil Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Wtitm'eland) Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. Steel, Major Samuel Strang Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Storry-Deans, R. Womersley, W. J.
Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Salmon, Major I. Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'dge & Hyde)
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Sandeman, N. Stewart Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Sanders, Sir Robert A. Tomlinson, R. P.
Sandon, Lord Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. Captain Wallace and Sir Victor Warrender.
Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull)
Shepperson, E. W. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hirst, G. H. Saklatvala, Shapurji
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Prestos)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hollins, A. Sitch, Charles H.
Barnes, A. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Batey, Joseph Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Buchanan, G. Johnston, Thomas (Dundee) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Charleton, H. C. Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Stephen, Campbell
Dalton, Hugh Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sullivan, Joseph
Day, Harry Kelly, W. T. Sutton, J. E.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Kirkwood, D. Thurtle, Ernest
Gibbins, Joseph Lawson, John James Tinker, John Joseph
Gillett, George M. Lindley, F. W. Varley, Frank B.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Lunn, William Watson, W. M. (Dunfermilne)
Greenall, T. Mackinder, W. Watts-Morgan. Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) M alone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) Wellock, Wilfred
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Maxton, James Welsh, J. C.
Groves, T Murnin, H. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Grundy, T. W. Oliver, George Harold Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Paling, W. Windsor, Walter
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)
Hayday, Arthur Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Potts, John S. Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Hayes.
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Purcell, A. A.