HC Deb 03 July 1928 vol 219 cc1136-8
6. Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is able to make any statement as to the Government's attitude to the proposal to change the form and terms of the helm orders on board ship by international agreement; and what steps have been taken, or will be taken, to ascertain the views of British mariners generally as to the desirability and form of the changes proposed?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

Helm orders on British ships are governed by custom, not by law or regulation, and the Board of Trade would not intervene unless the custom were causing danger or unless there were a general desire to consider the advisability of a change and the Board were invited to assist in the process. In that event, the Board would give all the help in their power, but they would make three suggestions, first, that any proposed alteration should be fully considered by masters, navigating officers and pilots before a decision is reached; second, that if the British system is changed, it should be to some system which will be international; third, that special care be taken to prevent danger during the change over.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

Has the right hon. Gentleman any evidence to show that either confusion or danger is caused by the present long-established and well-understood British helm orders?

Sir P. CUNLFFE-LISTER

No, Sir, absolutely none, and that is why I should hesitate so much to give any support to any change which might be suggested.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

Will this House be consulted before any change is made and before we ratify any change?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I have no intention, as I said in the answer, of advising any change. I should not like to answer off-hand whether, if a convention should ultimately be negotiated, it would necessarily be subject to the prior aproval of Parliament or not. It seems to me quite academic.

Mr. SEXTON

Will the right hon. Gentleman undertake, before any steps are taken, and in the view of the possibility of any change, to get to know the opinion of King Neptune as to the desecration of the last remnants of the romance of the sea?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I hope that neither the questions nor the answers will suggest that any change is being contemplated, but, before I contemplate any change in any matter of that kind, I should take the very best expert advice that I possibly could.

Commander BELLAIRS

Can my right hon. Friend say whether the Board, in conjunction with the Board of Admiralty, have had any preliminary investigation, especially in regard to American experience in this matter?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

Yes. I should not like without notice to say exactly what consideration has been given to it, but certainly we have no representation which leads us to suppose that any change is contemplated.

Lord APSLEY

Is my right hon. Friend aware that in America there are two systems now in vogue—the Admiralty have one system, and the Mercantile Marine have another—and can such a change possibly be made in the customs of this country without Parliamentary sanction.

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I am not sure about that matter. I think that very likely Parliamentary sanction would be advisable, but I do want, again, to assert that the fact that these questions appear on the Order Paper should not be taken by anybody to suggest that a change is contemplated or is desirable.

Lieut.-Colonel ACLAND-TROYTE

Can my right hon. Friend say whether there is any reason why we should copy America in Naval matters?