HC Deb 15 December 1927 vol 211 cc2509-15

Will the Prime Minister be good enough to tell us what business he proposes to take next week, and perhaps it will be convenient for him at the same time to tell us when he proposes that the new Session shall open.

The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Baldwin)

On Monday and Tuesday, we shall take the Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill. When the respective stages of this Bill, which it is understood are to be treated as formal, have been obtained, the Adjournment of the House will be moved—on Monday for a Debate on Unemployment, to be initiated by the Labour party; and on Tuesday for a Debate on Agriculture, to be initiated by the Liberal party.

On Wednesday, we shall take the Lords Amendments to the Landlord and Tenant (No. 2) Bill and other Bills; and further stages of the following Bills: Superannuation and other Trust Funds (Validation) [Lords], Indian Church [Lords], Statute Law Revision [Lords], and Medical and Dentists Acts Amendment [Lords].

On Thursday, consideration of Lords Amendments to Bills and any other Business necessary to bring the Session to a close.

It is hoped that it will be possible to prorogue this day.

On any day, if time permit, any necessary Business will be taken.

The date of meeting next Session will be Tuesday, 7th February, 1928.


I notice that there is no mention of the Resolution that has been passed in another place for the appointment of two Judges. Does the Government propose to proceed with that Resolution this year or not?


That is entirely a question of time, but I have included it in the necessary Business to be taken if time permit. I hope that it will be possible to do so, but I cannot say.


I would like to ask the Prime Minister if he could see his way on Tuesday to accept a Motion on agriculture instead of the Debate taking place on the Motion for the Adjournment of the House. I apologise to the Parliamentary Secretary for not being in a position to hand in a considered Motion before coming down to the House to-day. The right hon. Gentleman has now got that Motion, and I am wondering whether the Prime Minister can see his way to accept it.


Perhaps the hon. and gallant Member will be good enough to consult my right hon. Friend in the usual way. The Notice of Motion to which the hon. and gallant Gentleman refers was only received after the Paper from which I have read had been circulated, and I was only aware of it within five minutes of reading my reply.


Why is there a reference to the Labour party and also to the Liberal party? I was always under the impression that on these occasions the official Opposition was recognised as the people who had to raise questions.


That is not a point of Order.


No; but it is a fact.


With reference to the Motion which stands on the Order Paper in the name of the Prime Minister— That the Motion relating to the Prayer Book Measure, 1927, have precedence this day of the Business of Supply, and that the Proceedings on Report of Supply [14th

December] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House) "—

may I ask, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, if you will be good enough to put this Motion in two parts?

Motion made, and Question put, That the Motion relating to the Prayer Book Measure, 1927, have precedence this day of the Business of Supply."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House proceeded to a Division.

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER stated that he thought the Ayes had it; and, on his decision being challenged, it appeared to him that the Division was unnecessarily claimed, and he accordingly called upon the Members who supported and who challenged his decision successively to rise in their places, and he declared that the Ayes had it, one Member only who challenged his decision having stood up.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Report of Supply [14th December] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)." —[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 281; Noes, 115.

Division No. 481.] AYES. [3.51 p.m.
Acland- Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil)
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C(Berks, Newb'y) Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester)
Ainsworth, Major Charles Buchan, John Davies, Dr. Vernon
Albery, Irving James Buckingham, Sir H. Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, s.)
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Burman, J. B. Dixey, A. C.
Allen, Lieut.-Col. Sir William James Burton, Colonel H. W. Drewe, C.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Duckworth, John
Apsley, Lord Campbell, E. T. Eden, Captain Anthony
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Carver, Major W. H. Edge, Sir William
Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. Cautley, Sir Henry S. Edwards, J. Hugh (Accrington)
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent. Dover) Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Ellis, R. G.
Astor, Viscountess Cazalet, Captain Victor A. England, Colonel A.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South)
Balniel, Lord Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Fairfax, Captain J. G.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Falls, Sir Bertram G.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Chapman, Sir S. Falls, Sir Charles F.
Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Fanshawe, Captain G. D.
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Christie, J. A. Fermoy, Lord
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Fielden, E. B.
Berry, Sir George Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Finburgh, S.
Bethel, A. Clayton, G. C. Forestier-Walker, Sir L.
Betterton, Henry B. Cobb, Sir Cyril Forrest, W.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Foxcroft, Captain C. T.
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George Fraser, Captain Ian
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Cohen, Major J. Brunel Freemantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E
Blundell, F. N. Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Ganzoni, Sir John
Boothby, R. J. G. Conway, Sir W. Martin Gates, Percy
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Cooper, A. Duff Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Couper, J. B. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Boyd-Carpenter, Major Sir A. B. Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L. Glyn, Major R. G. C.
Brassey, Sir Leonard Craig, Sir Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Goff, Sir Park
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Grace, John
Briggs, J. Harold Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)
Briscoe, Richard George Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.
Brittain, Sir Harry Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Cunliffe, Sir Herbert Grotrian, H. Brent
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Curzon, Captain Viscount Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.
Gunston, Captain D. W. Macquisten, F. A. Sandon, Lord
Hacking, Douglas H. Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Makins, Brigadier-General E. Savery, S. S.
Hall, Admiral Sir R. (Eastbourne) Manningham- Buller, Sir Mervyn Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mci. (Renfrew, W)
Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) Margesson, Captain D. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Hammersley, S. S. Mason, Lieut.-Col. Glyn K. Shepperson, E. W.
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Merriman, F. B. Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Harland, A. Meyer, Sir Frank Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Harrison, G. J. C. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Univ., Belfst)
Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc' dine, C.)
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Haslam, Henry C. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Smithers, Waldron
Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Moles, Rt. Hon. Thomas Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. Moore, Sir Newton J. Sprot, Sir Alexander
Henn, Sir Sydney H. Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Stanley, Lieut.-Colonel Rt. Hon. G. F.
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Moreing, Captain A. H. Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Hills, Major John Waller Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Hilton, Cecil Murchison, Sir Kenneth Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S J. G. Nall, Colonel Sir Joseph Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Hohier, Sir Gerald Fitzroy Nelson, Sir Frank Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H.
Holt, Capt. H. P. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Tasker, R. Inigo.
Hopkins, J. W. W. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton)
Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Tinne, J. A.
Hume, Sir G. H. Nuttall, Ellis Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Huntingfield, Lord Oakley, T. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Hurd, Percy A. Oman, Sir Charles William C. Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough
Iliffe, Sir Edward M. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Penny, Frederick George Waddington, R.
Iveagh, Countess of Perkins, Colonel E. K. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Jephcott, A. R. Philipson, Mabel Warrender, Sir Victor
Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Pilcher, G. Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle)
Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Pownall, Sir Assheton Watts, Dr. T.
Kindersley. Major Guy M. Preston, William Wells, S. R.
King. Commodore Henry Douglas Pringle, J. A. White, Lieut.-Col. Sir G. Dalrymple
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Radford, E. A. Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
Knox, Sir Alfred Raine. Sir Walter Williams, Com. C. (Devon. Torquay)
Lamb, J. Q. Ramsden, E. Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham)
Lister, Cunliffe, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Rawson, Sir Cooper Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Remer, J. R. Wilson, Sir Charles H.(Leeds, Centrl.)
Loder, J. de V. Remnant, Sir James Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Long, Major Eric Rhys, Hon. C. A. U Winby, Colonel L. P.
Looker, Herbert William Rice, Sir Frederick Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Lowe, Sir Francis William Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Wolmer, Viscount
Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Roberts, Sir Samuel (Hereford) Womersley, W. J.
Lumley, L. R. Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Wood, B. C. (Somerset, Bridgwater)
Lynn, Sir Robert J. Ruggles- Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'age & Hyde)
Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Salmon, Major I. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
McLean, Major A. Sandeman, N. Stewart TELLERS FOR THE AYES —
Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm Sanders, Sir Robert A. Colonel Gibbs and Major Sir George
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Sanderson, Sir Frank Hennessy.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Day, Colonel Harry Hirst, G. H.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Dennison, R. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Dunnico, H. Hore- Belisha, Leslie
Ammon, Charles George Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Fenby, T. D. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath)
Baker, Walter Gardner, J. P. John William (Rhondda West)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Johnston, Thomas (Dundee)
Barnes, A. Gibbins, Joseph Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Barr, J Gillett, George M. Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown)
Batey, Joseph Gosling, Harry Kennedy, T.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Coine) Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Lansbury, George
Bromfield, William Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Lawrence, Susan
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Groves, T. Lindley, F. W.
Bexton, Rt. Hon. Noel Grundy, T. W. Lunn, William
Cape, Thomas Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R.(Aberavon)
Charleton, H. C. Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Mackinder, W.
Compton, Joseph Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Connolly, M. Hardie, George D. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley)
Cove, W. G. Harris, Percy A. Morris, R. H.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)
Crawfurd, H. E. Hayday, Arthur Murnin, H.
Dalton, Hugh Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Naylor, T. E.
Davies, Ellis (Denbigh, Denbigh) Henderson. T. (Glasgow) Oliver, George Harold
Owen, Major G. Shepherd, Arthur Lewis Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Palin, John Henry Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Varley, Frank B.
Paling, W. Sitch, Charles H. Viant, S. P.
Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Smith, Rennie (Penistone) Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Potts, John S. Snell, Harry Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Riley, Ben Stephen. Campbell Wellock, Wilfred
Ritson, J. Strauss, E. A. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Robinson, W.C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland) Sullivan, Joseph Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Rose, Frank H. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Saklatvala, Shapurji Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro. W.) Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Salter, Dr. Alfred Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) Wright, W.
Scrymgeour, E Thorne, W. (West Ham, Pialstow)
Sexton, James Thurtle, Ernest TELLERS FOR THE NOES —
Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Hayes.