HC Deb 09 March 1926 vol 192 cc2113-21

I beg to move, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to enable local authorities to produce and supply milk and dairy produce.

This Bill is one of a series of Bills introduced by private Members, mainly on this side of the House, in order to deal with cases where there are flagrant instances of profiteering, monopolies, combines, or difficulties put in the way of the supply of articles that are essentially necessary to the poorer classes in this country. I make no apology for moving the introduction of the Bill this afternoon, and I hope it will commend itself to at any rate a number of hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House, because the reasons that have led to my bringing it forward are mainly to be found in the evidence which the Front Bench on the opposite side have been good enough to secure for us through the Food Council which they set up. Like most other Members of the House, I have been through the Reports of the Food Council very carefully, and I find, from the last interim Report, that there appears to be no doubt whatever in the minds of the Food Council—who are by no means a biased party organisation—that there is very considerable false dealing in the supply of milk and dairy produce to the people of this country. The revelations of the mean methods adopted in order to supply milk in quantities other than those for which the people have paid are very striking, and, in addition to that, we find in the first Report of the Food Council—

Lieut. - Colonel Sir FREDERICK HALL

On a point of Order. Is this Notice of Motion in order? It says: Bill to enable local authorities to produce and supply milk and dairy produce. I venture to submit that no local authority produces milk; it is the cows that produce milk.


When we see the shareholders and directors of dairy monopolies taking the dividends, they do not say that the cows have produced the milk. We find in the first Report of the Food Council that, although the prices of all foodstuffs have gone up in great proportion, the prices of milk, butter, and eggs, which are the chief products on dairy farms, show that the friends of the hon. and gallant Gentleman have been milking the public if not the cows. We find that eggs have actually gone up 172 per cent. above the price in July, 1914, milk 90 per cent. and butter 80 per cent., and that in spite of the fact that the increase in the cost of living when the Food Commission gave these figures was only up 74 per cent. I hope that hon. Members will give this subject particular consideration, because of the tremendous importance of these three staple items of diet. Practically every medical authority in the country will tell you that milk, butter and eggs are the food from which the vitamines come which create brains. There is a great deal of difference among medical authorities on the hereditary principle with regard to intelligence, but there is no difference of opinion as to the fact that, however many brains a child may be born with—and there are just as many brains given to children in slums as to children in other places—if it be deprived all through its younger life of an ample supply of dairy produce, which supplies the vitamines for the brain and other parts of the human organism, then it is impossible for that child to grow up an intelligent and useful citizen of the Empire. [Interruption.] Whenever Bills enabling local authorities to supply necessities of this kind are introduced we are always—


On a point of Order. May I ask whether it is going to continue to be impossible for Members sitting quite near a speaker who is speaking very plainly to hear what is being said owing to the rude interruptions of hon. Members opposite?


I am afraid that the conversation was general, but I must ask hon. Members to allow the hon. Member for Gateshead (Mr. Beckett) to proceed with his speech without further interruption.


Is it not a fact that the only rude person was the hon. Member for East Middlesbrough (Miss Wilkinson) herself?


I cannot say it is rude to describe interruptions as "rude."


Whenever we introduce Bills giving a municipality permissive power—not forcing them—to deal with flagrant profiteering in any article of necessity we are always opposed by some hon. Gentleman on the other side, who says, "Yes, but the trouble is that municipal trading always means losing money, and that always means an added burden on the rates." Hon. Members will not be able to say so this time, because not only have you had municipal trading—


Will the hon. Member please address his remarks to me, and not to hon. Members opposite.


Not only have you had municipal trading in milk in a number of instances in this country without a single loss, but you have actually at the present time a report issued by the municipality of Haverfordwest through their Town Clerk telling us that they have been able, through their municipal depot, to supply milk at a price lower than that at which it is sold in surrounding districts, and moreover have been able to devote profits from that municipal milk depot towards the relief of the rates. They also tell us that are paying the producers of milk more for their produce than the retail distributors in the trade. When the present Minister of Health was Lord Mayor of Birmingham he caused a special Committee to go into the question of the municipality supplying milk and dairy produce. He appointed the Town Clerk, the Borough Treasurer, and other highly skilled persons to go into the matter, and they issued a report that it should be adopted, and, if it had not been for a particular stunt whereby the Lord Mayor was taken away in order to come to London, there is no doubt that it would have been carried into operation.

I want to point out this one fact. The majority of the municipalities in this country are to a great extent controlled by people who belong to the party of hon. Gentlemen opposite, and there is no fear of them going into municipal trading unless it is strictly necessary in the interests of their people. I suggest that it is a very peculiar thing that what I may term the big interests who are represented in this House should refuse to give these powers to municipalities. It must only be because they are afraid that their own party in the country will adopt, measures put forward by the Socialist party in the House of Commons in order to relieve themselves from exploitation by their own people. I suggest that this question of the supply of milk and dairy produce is a very important one, and I ask the House to give this Bill a First Reading in order that we may put our proposals down in black and white for the consideration of the House and in order that they may have a much fairer hearing and more consideration than I have been able to obtain this afternoon.

Captain GEE

I rise to object to this Bill. The hon. Member finished his speech by talking of big interests. As far as I am concerned, I am connected with no big interests other than the Division which I have the honour to represent. The hon. Member commenced his speech by talking of the real necessity for introducing this Bill owing to the monopolies, and yet the Bill itself will only produce another monopoly, just exactly the same as the local councils have produced and own the monopoly of the tramways. It would only be another instance of them entering into competition with a private individual who would have to stand his own losses, whereas the losses of the milk producing council, owing to mismanagement and lack of business methods, would have to be borne by the rates and paid for by its rivals in the industry. I am afraid that this Bill, like several Bills that have been introduced by Members on all sides of the House, has only been produced to die at birth, and I, for one, object to so much time of the House being taken up by private Members' Measures and Motions, because, when all is said and done, I beg leave to say that we were sent here to represent the whole country, and not one particular part or our own particular fads and fancies.

The hon. Member spoke about borough councils already selling milk. I agree, but I think, if he will take as much time as I have taken to go into this question, he will find that very few of those Councils who sell milk keep cows. They buy the milk and retail it, and it would only be another instance—I do not wish to use offensive terms—of them gaining experience in private enterprise at the municipal expense. The last point I wish to raise is this: If this thing be really necessary and if the desire of the hon. Member behind this Bill is really to produce a supply of good milk and fresh wholesome butter and food for the poor classes of this country, why does he not leave well alone, and, instead of bringing in this Measure, foster the spirit of dairy farming on a business scale among the co-operative societies? As a matter of fact, that is the one example where they have genuinely tried and tried with most disastrous financial results

Question put, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to enable local authorities to produce and supply milk and dairy produce.

The House divided: Ayes, 129; Noes, 222.

Division No. 69.] AYES. [3.47 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Curzon, Captain Viscount Hope, Capt. A.O.J.(Warw'k, Nun.)
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Dalkeith, Earl of Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar)
Albery, Irving James Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) Hopkins, J. W. W.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Davies, Dr. Vernon Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley)
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Howard, Captain Hon. Donald
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Davison, Sir W.H. (Kensington, S.) Hudson, Capt. A.U.M. (Hackney, N.)
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) Dawson, Sir Philip Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n)
Astor, Viscountess Eden, Captain Anthony Huntingfield, Lord
Atholl, Duchess of Edmondson, Major A. J. Hurd, Percy A.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Edwards, John H.(Accrington) Iliffe, Sir Edward M.
Balniel, Lord Elliot, Captain Anthony Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Elveden, Viscount Jackson, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. F. S.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon w. England, Colonel A. Jackson, Sir H.(Wordsworth, Cen'l)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Erskine, Lord(Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Jacob, A. E.
Berry, Sir George Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William
Betterton, Henry B. Evans, Captain A.(Cardiff, South) Kidd, J. (Linlithgow)
Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) Everard, W. Lindsay King, Captain Henry Douglas
Blades, Sir George Rowland Fairfax, Captain J. G. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Blundell, F. N. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Knox, Sir Alfred
Boothby, R. J. G. Fermoy, Lord Lamb, J. Q.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Finburgh, S. Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Ford, sir P. J. Leigh, Sir John (Clapham)
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Philip
Brass, Captain W. Forrest, W Lloyd, Cyril E.(Dudley)
Brassey, Sir Leonard Fremantle, Lt.-Col. Francis E. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Ganzoni, Sir John Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th)
Briggs, J. Harold Gates, Percy. Loder, J. de V.
Briscoe, Richard George Gault Lieut.-Col Andrew Hamilton Looker, Herbert William
Brittain, Sir Harry Gee, Captain R. Lucas-Tooth, Sir H. V.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. J. Glyn, Major R. G. C. Lumley, L. R.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) Goff, sir, Park MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C. (Berks, Newb'y) Gower, Sir Robert Macdonald, Capt. P. D.(I. of w.)
Buckingham, Sir H. Grace, John MacIntyre, Ian
Bullock, Captain M. Grant, J. A. McLean, Major A.
Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Macmillan Captain H.
Burman, J. B. Greene, W. P. Crawford Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm
Burton, Colonel H. W. Gretton, Colonel John McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John
Butler, Sir Geoffrey Grotrian, H. Brent Macquisten, F. A
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. MacRobert, Alexander M.
Campbell, E. T. Gunston, Captain D. W. Malone, Major P. B.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F.(Dulwich) Marriott, Sir J. A. R.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth.S) Hall, Capt. W. D'A.(Brecon & Rad.) Meyer, Sir Frank
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Hammersley, S. S. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hanbury, C. Mitchell, S.(Lanark, Lanark)
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Harland, A. Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Mitchell W. Lane (Streatham)
Chapman, Sir S. Harrison, G. J. C. Moore, Sir Newton J.
Charteris, Bridadier-General J. Hartington, Marquess of Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C.
Christie, J. A. Harvey, G. (Lambath, Kennington) Morrison, H.(Wilts, Salisbury)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Haslam, Henry C. Murchison, C. K.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hawke, John Anthony Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Nelson, Sir Frank
Cohen, Major J. Brunei Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L.(Exeter)
Cooper, A. Duff Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Nicholson, O. (Westminster)
Cope, Major William Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hon. W. G.(Ptrsf'ld)
Couper, J. B. Herbert, S.(York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by) Nuttall, Ellis
Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Hills, Major John Waller Oakley, T.
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Hilton, Cecil Penny, Frederick George
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S J. G. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Hogg, Rt. Hon, Sir D.(St. Marylebone) Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Peto, Basil E.(Devon, Barnstable)
Cunliffe, Sir Herbert Holland, Sir Arthur Peto, G.(Somerset, Frome)
Pielou, D. P. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Sinclair, Col. T.(Queens Univ., Belf'st.) Wallace, Captain D. E.
Price, Major C. W. M. Slaney, Major P. Kenyon Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Ramsden, E. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) Warner Brigadier-General W. W.
Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper Smith-Carington, Neville W. Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Rees, Sir Beddoe Smithers, Waldron White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dalrymple
Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Spender-Clay, Colonel H. Williams, Com. C (Devon, Torquay)
Reid, D. D. (County Down) Sprot, Sir Alexander Wilson, Sir C. H. (Leeds, Central)
Remnant, Sir James Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F.(Will'sden, E.) Wilson, R. R.(Stafford, Lichfield)
Rice, Sir Frederick Stanley, Lord (Fylde) Winby, Colonel L. P.
Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Steel, Major Samuel Strang Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) Stoot, Lieut.-Colonel W.H. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) Streatfeild, Captain S. R. Wise, Sir Fredric
Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Strickland, Sir Gerald Womersley, W. J.
Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. Stuart, Crichton, Lord C. Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.).
Salmon, Major I. Tasker, Major R. Inigo Wood, Sir S. Hill-(High Peak)
Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Templeton, W. P. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Sandeman, A. Stewart Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Sanders, Sir Robert A. Thomson, Luke (Sunderland)
Sanderson, Sir Frank Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Sandon, Lord Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell- Colonel Gibbs And Major Sir H. Barnston.
Savery, S. S. Tinne, J. A.
Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Harris, Percy A. Saklatvala, Shapurji
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Scrymgeour, E.
Ammon, Charles George Hayday, Arthur Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Attlee, Clement Richard Hayes John Henry Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Baker, Walter Henderson, Right Hon. A.(Burnley) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Henderson, T.(Glasgow) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Barnes, A. Hirst, G. H. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Barr, J. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Sitch, Charles H.
Batey, Joseph Hudson, J.H. (Huddersfield) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Broad, F. A. John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bromfield, William Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Snell, Harry
Bromley, J. Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Buchanan, G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Spencer, G. A. (Broxtowe)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles
Cape, Thomas Kelly, W. T. Stamford, T. W.
Cluse, W. S. Kennedy, W. T. Stephen, Campbell
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Kenyon, Barnet Taylor, R. A.
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Lansbury, George Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Compton, Joseph Lawson, John James Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro,W.)
Connolly, M. Lee, F. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Cove, W. G. Lowth, T. Thurtle, E.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lunn, William Tinker, John Joseph
Dalton, Hugh MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R.(Aberavon) Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Daviesm Rhys John (Westhoughton) March, S. Viant, S. P.
Day, Colonel Harry Maxton, James Wallhead, Richard C.
Dennison, R. Montague, Frederick Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Morris, R.H. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Fenby, T. D. Morrison, R.C. (Tottenham, N.) Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Naylor, T. E. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Gibbins, Joseph Oliver, George Harold Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Gillett, George M. Palin, John Henry Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Gosling, Harry Paling, W. Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Greenall, T. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Ponsonby, Arthur Williams, T.(York, Don Valley)
Groves, T. Potts, John S. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Grundy, T. W. Purcell, A. A. Windsor, Walter
Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Riley, Ben
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Robinson, W. C.(Yorks, W. R., Elland) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hardie, George D. Rose, Frank H. Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr. Warne.
Division No. 70.] AYES [4.12 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W. R., Elland)
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Rose, Frank H.
Ammon, Charles George Haslam, Henry C. Saklatvala, Shapurji
Astor, Viscountess Hayday, Arthur Scrymgeour, E.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hayes, John Henry Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Baker, Walter Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Barnes, A. Hills, Major John Waller Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Barr, J. Hirst, G. H. Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness)
Batey, Joseph Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Sitch, Charles H.
Boothby, R. J. G. Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Briggs, J. Harold Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Broad, F. A. John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Bromfield, William Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Snell, Harry
Buchanan, G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Spencer, G. A. (Broxtowe)
Cape, Thomas Kelly, W. T. Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles
Clowes, S. Kennedy, T. Stamford, T. W.
Cluse, W. S. Kenyon, Barnet Stephen, Campbell
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lansbury, George Taylor, R. A.
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Lawson, John James Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro. W.)
Compton, Joseph Lee, F. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Connolly, M Lindley, F. W. Thurtle, E.
Cove, W. G Lowth, T. Tinker, John Joseph
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lunn, William Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Dalton, Hugh MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R.(Aberavon) Viant, S. P.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) MacLaren, Andrew Wallhead, Richard C
Day, Colonel Harry March, S. Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen
Dennison, R. Maxton, James Warne, G. H.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Mantague, Frederick Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Fenby, T. D. Morris, R. H. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Gibbins, Joseph Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Gillett, George M. Naylor, T. E. Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Glyn, Major R. G. C. Oliver, George Harold Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Gosling, Harry Palin, John Henry Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Win. (Edin., Cent.) Paling, W Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Greenall, T. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Groves, T. Ponsonby, Arthur Windsor, Walter
Grundy, T. W. Potts, John S. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) Purcell, A. A.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Riley, Ben Mr. Beckett and Mr. Hardie.
Harris, Percy A. Robert, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South)
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Everard, W. Lindsay
Albery, Irving James Chapman, Sir S. Fairfax, Captain J. G.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Falle, Sir Bertram G.
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Christie, J. A Fanshawe, Commander G. D.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Fermoy, Lord
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Finburgh, S.
Astor, Maj. Hon. John J.(Kent, Dover) Cobb, Sir Cyril Ford, Sir P. J.
Atholl, Duchess of Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Forestier-Walker, Sir L.
Balniel, Lord Cohen, Major J. Brunel Forrest, W.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Cooper, A. Duff Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Cope, Major William Ganzoni, Sir John
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Couper, J. B. Gates, Percy
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.) Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham
Berry, Sir George Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Gower, Sir Robert
Betterton, Henry B. Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Grace, John
Blades, Sir George Rowland Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Grant, J. A.
Blundell, F. N. Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) Greene, W. P. Crawford
Brassey, Sir Leonard Cunliffe, Sir Herbert Gretton, Colonel John
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Curzon, Captain Viscount Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.
Briscoe, Richard George Dalkeith, Earl of Gunston, Captain D. W.
Brittain, Sir Harry Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) Hacking, Captain Douglas H.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Davies, Dr. Vernon Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.)
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Hammersley, S. S.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C. (Berks, Newb'y) Dawson, Sir Philip Hanbury, C.
Buckingham, Sir H. Eden, Captain Anthony Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Bullock, Captain M. Edmondson, Major A. J. Harrison, G. J. C.
Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan Edwards, John H. (Accrington) Hartington, Marquess of
Burman, J. B. Elveden, Viscount Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Burton, Colonel H. W. England, Colonel A. Haslam, Henry C.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Hennessy, Major J. R. G.
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Sinclair, Col. T.(Queen's Univ., Belfast)
Herbert, S. (York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Slaney, Major P. Kenyon
Hilton, Cecil Moore, Sir Newton J. Smith, R. W.(Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) Smithers, Waldron
Holland, Sir Arthur Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Hope, Capt. A. O. J. (Warw'k, Nun.) Murchison, C. K. Sprot, Sir Alexander
Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Stanley, Lord (Fylde)
Hopkins, J. W. W. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hon. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Nuttall, Ellis Strickland, Sir Gerald
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Oakley, T. Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C.
Huntingfield, Lord Penny, Frederick George Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Hurd, Percy A. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Tasker, Major R. Inigo
Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Perkins, Colonel E. K. Templeton, W. P.
Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Thorn, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton)
Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Jacob, A. E. Pielou, D. P. Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Power, Sir John Cecil Tinne, J. A.
Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) Price, Major C. W. M. Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P.
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Ramsden, E. Wallace, Captain D. E.
Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Rees, Sir Beddoe Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th) Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) Wells, S. R.
Loder, J. de V. Reid, D. D. (County Down) Wheler, Major sir Granville C. H.
Looker, Herbert William Remnant, Sir James Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere Rice, Sir Frederick Wilson, Sir C. H. (Leeds, Central)
Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Lumley, L. R. Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) Winby, Colonel L. P.
Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
MacIntyre, Ian Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
McLean, Major A. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Wise, Sir Fredric
Macmillan Captain H. Salmon, Major I. Womersley, W. J.
Macquisten, F. A. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
MacRobert, Alexander M. Sandeman, A. Stewart Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
Malone, Major P. B. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn Sanderson, Sir Frank Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Margesson, Captain D. Savery, S. S.
Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Sheffield, Sir Berkeley Captain Gee and Major MacAndrew.