HC Deb 30 June 1926 vol 197 cc1137-8
33. Mr. BATEY

asked the Secretary for Mines the total amount paid as subsidy to the coal industry for the nine months ending 30th April, 1926; how much of the amount was taken as profits by the coal owners during that period; and how much was paid to royalty owners?

The SECRETARY for MINES (Colonel Lane Fox)

The total amount of subvention for the nine months is estimated to amount to £23,300,000. As regards the second part of the question I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Ilford on 14th June. No payment has been made to royalty owners in respect of subvention.

Mr. BATEY

Could the Minister not tell us what were the profits to the owners during the nine months, and how much was paid to the royalty owners during the nine months?

Colonel LANE FOX

No, I cannot tell the hon. Member what was paid to the royalty owners. There was nothing to pay. I shall be able soon to give him the figures with regard to the owners, but I have not yet got the complete figures for the nine months.

Mr. BATEY

If the Minister says there was nothing paid to the royalty owners, where did they get it from if not from the subvention?

Colonel LANE FOX

They got it from sources other than the subvention.

Mr. MARDY JONES

Is it not a fact that during the nine months during which the subsidy was granted to the coal industry, 30,000,000 tons of coal was produced over and above what would have been produced without the subsidy, and that, therefore, the royalty owners got the royalty on that output which they would not have got otherwise?

Mr. SPENCER

Has the Minister not misapprehended the latter part of the question? It was not how much was paid out of the subvention, but how much was paid to the royalty owners.

Mr. H. WILLIAMS

Is it the case that because of the lower price the 30 million tons were in fact sold?

Mr. SPEAKER

There is a doubt as to the latter part of the question. Perhaps the hon. Member will put it down as a separate question.

Mr. KIRKWOOD

Is it not the case that the royalty owners of this country last year drew £6,500,000?

Mr. SPEAKER

Further questions should be put down.

Sir FREDRIC WISE

When may I have a reply to the question to which the right hon. and gallant Gentleman referred?

Colonel LANE FOX

As soon as I have the figures. I have not yet got the figures for last month, but as soon as I have them, I will give them to the hon. Member.