§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."
§ Mr. WESTWOODI want to object emphatically against the Bill being cited as the Coal Mines Act, 1926. I believe 1286 that is a misnomer. There are many other citations that might have been made in connection with an Act of this kind. For instance, it might have been cited as the Coalowners' Act. It might have been cited correctly as the Increased Accidents Act. It certainly would so far as the mining population are concerned, have been correctly 1287 cited if it had been the Increased Mining Act, and it certainly would have been correctly cited as the Starvation of Miners Act. Any of these names would have been far more appropriate than calling it the Coal Mines Act. I believe the most appropriate name would be the Murderers Act, and the murderers sit opposite.
§ Mr. BATEYI agree with everything my hon. Friend has said as to the renaming of the Act. It is altogether wrongly named. I leave the naming of the Act as it has been described, and I oppose the Clause here. It makes provision that the Act does not apply to Northern Ireland. The miners for Northern Ireland have been voting against the miners every time a vote has been taken, and voting and speaking for the miners being starved, and I think the Act ought to apply to Northern Ireland.
§ Mr. NEIL MACLEANThis Clause not only gives the title to the Act and says it shall not extend to Northern Ireland, but lays it down that it shall continue for five years. The Minister in charge ought to be able to advise us as to why the object they think is necessary in the interests of the industry should not apply to a part of the country where there are coal mines. I should like to understand why this wonderful cure for the mining troubles is not to be applied all round. One would have imagined this patent medicine of the Tory Government would be equally extensively applied and be a cure for all evils, including those of Northern Ireland and I should imagine the Minister of Labour, who has been trying to placate members on these benches by the mildness of his statements might have gone a little further and informed us why the Bill is not going to apply to Northern Ireland, more particularly when we find hon. Members who represent constituencies in Northern Ireland, walking into the Division Lobby to vote in favour of miners in this country working eight hours, while the miners in the country they represent are to be excluded from the provisions of the Bill. If in the opinion of hon. Members from Northern Ireland an eight hour working day is a good thing for the miners of this country, then, surely, they should have no 1288 objection to the Bill applying to Northern Ireland. I am not in favour of the Bill applying to Northern Ireland, to this country or to Scotland. An amendment should have been inserted, providing that the Bill should not apply to Scotland or to any other place except mines in which the advocates of an eight hour day would work themselves. If the coal mines are such wonderful health resorts as they have been represented to be in this Debate, I suggest that hon. and right hon. Members opposite should go down the mines and work eight hours.
This Clause provides that the Bill shall continue in force for five years. Why is that provision unsuited? Because the Minister of Labour and other Government spokesmen have been endeavouring to make out that this is only a temporary Measure and that was said about the Safeguarding of Industries Act, and yet its provisions form part of our legislation every year. What guarantee have the miners or the people of this country from the Government and those behind the Government, who are compelling the Government to bring in this Bill and force it through as a mine-owners' Bill, that at the expiration of five years, this Measure will not be continued and take its place in the expiring Lands (Continuous) Bill? A Government which brings in a Bill of this kind without any mandate for the country can only be said to be carrying out a mandate for the coal-owners. If you examine the votes given in the Division last night. yon will find coalowner after coalowner.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN (Captain FitzRoy)This Clause says that the Act shall not apply to Northern Ireland and that it is to continue in operation for five years. The hon. Member is now debating what the House has been debating for the last two days.
§ Mr. MACLEANWe have not debated the fact that the mine-owners voted in the Division last night.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThat does not arise on this Clause.
§ Mr. MACLEANThis is to extend the Bill for five years. Then profits will go up during that period; otherwise the Bill would not be passed. It is brought in in order to put the mining industry on a paying basis. That is the purpose of the 1289 Bill. These mineowners voted in the Lobby last night to put the mining industry on a paying basis at the expense of other people. Surely it is quite in order for me to draw attention to what happened last night in the division? The Government are acting—[Laughter.] If hon. Members below the Gangway care to laugh at a Bill that going to— [HON. MEMBERS: "No, no!"] You are not laughing at the Bill? [HON. MEMBERS: "No, at you."] You are laughing at me! I have no abjection to you doing so inside the Chamber; that is your right; but do not laugh at me outside in the Lobby.
§ Lieut.-Colonel HENEAGEOn a point of Order. Should not the remarks of the hon. Member be addressed to the Chair?
§ Mr. MACLEANI should like to know what is behind all this; what negotiations passed between the Government and the coalowners in order to induce the Government to arrive at five years as the period of operation of the Bill. What led the mineowners to suggest five years, and what induced the Government to accept five years as the term? What proofs were forthcoming for the adoption of that period. Surely the Committee is entitled to know something of the secret meetings which were held, whether at Downing Street or the office of some mineowner. Surely the Committee is entitled to know what propositions were put forward on behalf of the mineowners and what inducements were offered to the Government to pass this Bill? Surely the life and interests of 1,200,000 men and their dependants are of greater value to this country than a few mineowners—
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe hon. Member is again returning to the merits of the whole Bill. I want him to confine himself to the question of the five years.
§ Mr. MACLEANPardon me. This Bill is cited as "The Coal Mines Act, 1926." It is also supposed to be continued for five years. Surely, I am entitled to debate the conditions under which the workers in the mining industry will work during those five years?
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANWe have discussed all those points on the question that Clause I stand part of the Bill, and we cannot have a double discussion.
§ Mr. MACLEANIf it is not in order to discuss the conditions under which men will work during those five years, surely I am in order in discussing the conditions under the Title of the Act, which is also part of the Clause?
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANIt is not the Title of the Bill at all; it is only a descriptive Clause in the Bill.
§ Mr. HARDIEOn a point of Order. May I draw your attention to the fact that this Bill amends the Coal Mines Acts, 1887 to 1919? It is not a Clause of any parts of those Acts, but an Amendment or Addendum.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThat has been discussed.
§ Mr. MACLEANThe marginal note says, "Short title, extent and duration" The extent of the Bill means the scope of the Bill, May I put my point?
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe hon. Member has gone quite far enough to make me understand. The marginal note is not in the Bill; it is outside the Bill altogether.
§ Mr. MACLEANI am not discussing the marginal note. I am drawing attention to the marginal note, which describes what is in the Clause. Surely I am entitled to discuss the scope or extent of the Clause. If there is anything wrong in this Bill that enables a Member of this House to go over the same ground on the two Clauses, that is not the fault of the Opposition but of the draughtsmen. I submit that this Clause opens again discussion as to conditions of employment and the period of time during which this Bill is to operate. That is my point, and I want a ruling.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThis particular Clause deals only with extension to Northern Ireland and the period during which it is in force.
§ Mr. MACLEANNo; it says "extent," and mentions Northern Ireland. The marginal note is:
Short title, extent and duration."Extent" can mean anything; it may mean the whole scope, and, if the Government draftsmen have not put in the proper description of this Clause, that is their fault, and not the fault of the Opposition. Consequently, we are 1291 entitled to discuss what the marginal note describes.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe hon. Member is again referring to the marginal note which is not part of the Bill. The only questions before the Committee are the duration of the Bill and whether or not it should extend to Northern Ireland. That is its "extent."
§ Mr. MACLEANThat is geographical extent. With regard to the duration of the Bill, surely five years of this Measure is more than any country can stand. As far as I understand the miners, the five years will have expired before they are
| Division No. 309.] | AYES | [11.30 p.m. |
| Aciand-Troyte, Lieut.-colonel | Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Hartington, Marquess of |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. | Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) |
| Ainsworth, Major Charles | Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) |
| Albery, Irving James | Cooper, A. Duff | Haslam, Henry C. |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. | Hawke, John Anthony |
| Alexander, Sir Wm. (Glasgow, Cent'l) | Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.) | Headlam. Lieut.-Colonel C. M. |
| Applln, Colonel R. V. K. | Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) | Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) |
| Aetbury, Lieut.-commander F. W. | Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootie) |
| Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) | Crooke, J Smedley (Deritend) | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | Henn, Sir Sydney H. |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Crookshank, Cpt. H.(Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Cunliffe, Sir Herbert | Hills, Major John Waller |
| Balniel, Lord | Curzon, Captain Viscount | Hilton, Cecil |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) |
| Barnston, Major Sir Harry | Davies, Dr. Vernon | Hohler, Sir Gerald Fitzroy |
| Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovll) | Holland, Sir Arthur |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Holt, Captain H. P. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Dawson, Sir Philip | Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) |
| Bethel, A. | Dixon, Captain Rt. Hon. Herbert | Hopkins. J. W. W. |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Drewe, C. | Hopkinson, Sir A. (Eng. Universities) |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Eden, Captain Anthony | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) |
| Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Horllck, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. |
| Blundell, F. N. | Elliot, Major Walter E. | Howard, Captain Hon. Donald |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Eiveden, Viscount | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | England, Colonel A. | Hume, Sir G. H. |
| Bowater, Sir T. Vanslttart | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | Hurd, Percy A. |
| Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Mldl'n & p'bl's) |
| Braithwaite, A. N. | Everard, W. Lindsay | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Falle, Sir Bertram G. | Jacob, A. E. |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington) |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Fleiden, E. B. | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Flnburgh, S. | King, Captain Henry Douglas |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Ford, Sir P. J. | Lamb, J. Q. |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. | Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | Little, Dr. E. Graham |
| Brown, col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) | Fraser, Captain Ian | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Frece, Sir Walter de | Loder, J. de V. |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Fremantle, LI.-Col. Francis E. | Lord, Walter Grooves- |
| Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony | Laugher, L. |
| Burman, J. B. | Galbraith, J. F. W. | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vera |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Ganzonl, Sir John | Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman |
| Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Gates, Percy | Lumley, L. R. |
| Butt, Sir Alfred | Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Gilmour, Colonel Rt. Hon. Sir John | McDonnell. Colonel Hon. Angus |
| Campbell, E. T. | Glyn, Major R. G. C. | Macintyre, Ian |
| Cassels, J. D. | Goff, Sir Park | McLean, Major A. |
| Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R.(Prtsmtb.S.) | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | Macmillan, Captain H. |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Greene, W. P. Crawford | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon, Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) | Gretton, Colonel John | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Grotrian, H. Brent | Malone, Major P. B. |
| Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Waiter E | Manninaham-Buller, Sir Mervyn |
| Chilcott, Sir Warden | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | Margesson, Captain D. |
| Christie, J. A. | Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Meller, R. J. |
| Clayton, G. C. | Harland, A. | Merriman, F. B. |
| Cobb, Sir Cyrll | Harrison, G. J. C. | Meyer, Sir Frank |
§ prepared to work it and it will be necessary to ask for an extension. The miners do not want the Bill. Why should the Government bring it in, even for one year. The mine-owners and the Government want the Bill. Let them go into the mines jointly. They will not be missed—[HON. MEMBERS: "Divide!"]
§ Sir A. STEEL-MAITLANDrose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
Question put, "That the Question be now put."
The Committee divided: Ayes, 278; Noes, 132
| Milne, J. S. Wardlaw | Roberts, E. H. G. (Fllnt) | Templeton, W. P. |
| Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) | Ropner, Major L. | Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) |
| Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Rye, F. G. | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.) |
| Monsell, Eyree, Cory Rt. Hon. B. M. | Salmon, Major I. | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell |
| Moore, Lleut Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of |
| Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Morden, Cal. W. Grant | Sandeman, A. Stewart | Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough |
| Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) | Sanders, Sir Robert A. | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive | Sanderson, Sir Frank | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph | Sandon, Lord | Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull) |
| Nelson, Sir Frank | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Neville, R. J. | Savery, S. S. | Warrender, Sir Victor |
| Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) | Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl, (Renfrew, W) | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Nicholson, Cal. Rt. H n.W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) | Shaw, R. G. (Yorks, W.A., Sowerby) | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Nuttall, Ellis | Shaw. Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Oakley, T. | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley | Watts, Dr. T. |
| O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) | Shepperson, E. W. | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H |
| O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh | Simms, Dr. John M, (Co. Down) | Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) |
| Oman, Sir Charles William C. | Skelton, A. N. | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) |
| Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) |
| Perkins, Colonel E. K. | Smith-Carington, Neville W. | Wilson, M. J. (York, N. R., Richm'd) |
| Peering, Sir William George | Smithers, Waldron | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) | Spender-Clay, Colonel H. | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) | Sprat, Sir Alexander | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Pielou, D. P. | Stanley, Cal. Hon. G. F. (Will'sder,, E.) | Withers, John James |
| Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Preston, William | Steel, Major Samuel Strang | Womersley, W. J. |
| Price, Major C. W. M. | Storry-Deans, R. | Wood, E. (Chest'), Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Radford, E. A. | Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H. | Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West) |
| Raine, W. | Streatfelid, Captain S. R | Worthington-Evans, Rt, Hon. Sir L. |
| Ramsden, E. | Strickland, Sir Gerald | Wragg, Herbert |
| Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C | |
| Reid, D. D. (County Down) | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid | Major Cope and Lord Stanley. |
| Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) | Sykes, M ajor.Gen. Sir Frederick H. |
| NOES | ||
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Grundy, T. W. | Purcell, A. A. |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Richardson, R. (Hooghton-le-Spring) |
| Ammon, Charles George | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvll) | Riley, Ben |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Billiton) | Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Ritson, J. |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hardie, George D. | Rose, Frank H. |
| Barnes, A. | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Saklatvala, Shapurji |
| Barr, J. | Hayday, Arthur | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Batey, Joseph | Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) | Scurr, John |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Sexton, James |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W | Hirst, G. H. | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Brlant, Frank | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Shepherd, Arthur Lewis |
| Broad, F. A. | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Short, Alfred (Wedneshury) |
| Bromfield, William | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Bromley, J. | Jenkins. W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Smillie, Robert |
| Buchanan, G | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Smith, H. B. Lees (Kelghley) |
| Cape, Thomas | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Snell, Harry |
| Charleton, H. C. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Spencer, George A. (Brextowe) |
| Clowes, S. | Kelly, W. T. | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles |
| Cluse, W. S | Kennedy, T. | Stamford, T. W. |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Lansbury, George | Stephen, Campbell |
| Compton, Joseph | Lawrence, Susan | Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) |
| Connolly, M. | Lawson, John James | Sullivan, J. |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Lindley, F. W. | Sutton, J. E. |
| Crawford, H. E. | Lunn, William | Taylor, R. A. |
| Dalton, Hugh | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J.R.(Aberavon) | Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Mackinder, W. | Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey) |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | MacLaren, Andrew | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Thurtle, E. |
| Duncan, C. | March, S. | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Donnico, H. | Montague, Frederick | Townend, A, E. |
| Fenny, T. D. | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Varley, Frank B |
| Gardner, J. P. | Murnin, H. | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Naylor, T. E. | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Oliver, George Harold | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Gillett, George M. | Owen, Major G. | Webb, At. Hon. Sidney |
| Gosling, Harry | Palin, John Henry | Welsh, J. C. |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Paling, W. | Westwood, J. |
| Greenail, T. | Parkinson, John Allen (Wlgan) | Whiteley, W. |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Coine) | Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Ponsonby, Arthur | Wilkinson, Ellen C. |
| Groves, T. | Potts, John S. | Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham) |
| Williams, David (Swansea, E.) | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Williams, Dr. J. H. (Lianelly) | Windsor, Walter | Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. |
| Williams. T. (York, Don Valley) | Young. Robert (Lancaster, Newton) | Hayes. |
§ Question put accordingly, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."
1296§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 271; Noes, 132.
| Smith, R.W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) | Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) |
| Smithers, Waldron | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) | Wilson, M. J. (York, N. R., Richm'd) |
| Spender-Clay, Colonel H. | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| Sprot, Sir Alexander | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Stanley, Lord (Fylde) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Stanley, Col. Hon. G.F. (Will'sden, E.) | Turton, Sir Edmund Russborough | Withers, John James |
| Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Steel, Major Samuel Strang | Wallace, Captain D. E. | Womersley, W. J |
| Storry-Deans, R. | Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull) | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W H. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.) |
| Streatfeild, Captain S. R. | Warrender, Sir Victor | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Strickland, Sir Gerald | Waterhouse, Captain Charles | Wragg, Herbert |
| Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nalrn) | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) | |
| Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | Watts, Dr. T. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Sugden, Sir Wilfrid | Wheler. Major Sir Granvilla C. H. | Sir Harry Barnston and Mr. |
| Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. | Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) | Frederick Thomson. |
| Templeton, W. P. | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Sexton, James |
| Ammon, Charles George | Hayday, Arthur | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bliston) | Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) | Shepherd, Arthur Lewis |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) |
| Barnes, A. | Hirst, G. H. | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Barr, J. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Batey, Joseph | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Smillie, Robert |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Bowerman, Rt, Hon. Charles W. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) |
| Briant, Frank | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Snell, Harry |
| Broad, F. A. | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Spencer, G. A. (Broxtowe) |
| Bromfield, William | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles |
| Bromley, J. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Stamford, T. W. |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Kelly, W, T. | Stephen, Campbell |
| Buchanan, G. | Kennedy, T. | Stewart, J. (St, Rollox) |
| Cape, Thomas | Lansbury, George | Sullivan, J. |
| Charleton, H. C. | Lawrence, Susan | Sutton, J. E. |
| Clowes, S. | Lawson, John James | Taylor, R. A. |
| Cluse, W. S. | Lindley, F. W. | Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Livingstone, A. M. | Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey) |
| Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) | Lunn, William | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.) |
| Compton, Joseph | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) | Thurtle, E. |
| Connolly, M. | Mackinder, W | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Crawford, H. E. | MacLaren, Andrew | Townend, A. E. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Varley, Frank B. |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | Montague, Frederick | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Watson, W. M (Dunfermline) |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Murnln, H. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Duncan, C. | Naylor, T. E | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Donnico, H. | Oliver, George Harold | Welsh, J. C. |
| Fenby, T. D. | Owen, Major G. | Westwood, J. |
| Gardner, J. P. | Palin, John Henry | Whiteley, W. |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Paling, W. | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | Wilkinson, Ellen C. |
| Gillett, George M. | Pethick-Lawrence, F. W | Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham) |
| Gosling, Harry | Ponsonby, Arthur. | Williams, David (Swansea, E.) |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Potts, John S | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly) |
| Greenall, T. | Purcell, A. A. | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring). | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Riley, Ben | Windsor, Walter |
| Groves, T. | Ritson, J | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Grundy, T. W. | Rose, Frank H. | |
| Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Saklatvala, Shapurji | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Salter, Dr. Alfred | Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. |
| Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Scurr, John | Hayes. |
| Hardie, George D. |
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Chairman do report the Bill, without Amendment, to the House."
§ Captain GARRO-JONESThe question you, Sir, have proposed is that the Bill be reported without Amendment to the House. I desire to oppose that Motion and on this ground. For eight months there has been a growing practice on the part of the Government of refusing to accept any and every Amendment which 1298 has been moved on any Bill en the ground—
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThat is very interesting, but it has nothing to do with this Question.
§ Captain GARRO-JONESI am well aware that it is not the practice to debate this Motion. But I submit to you that this Motion is debateable if relevant reasons can be shown why the Bill should 1299 not be reported without Amendment to the House, and I am offering you a perfectly valid reason for not reporting the Bill.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe Committee has already decided that there shall be no Amendments to the Bill, so there is no question of whether the Bill should be amended or not. The question is that I shall report to the House what the Committee has done.
Captain BENNThis is a Motion dealing with procedure. I submit there is not a Member in this House who can remember—
| Division No. 311.] | AYES. | [11.55 p.m. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. | Hills, Major John Walter |
| Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon, Sir James T. | Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.) | Hilton, Cecil |
| Ainsworth, Major Charles | Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) |
| Albery, Irving James | Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Holland, Sir Arthur |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | Holt, Captain H. P. |
| Alexander, Sir Wm. (Glasgow, Cent'l) | Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | Hopkins, J. W. W. |
| Applln, Colonel R. V. K. | Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. | Cunliffe, Sir Herbert | Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. |
| Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) | Curzon, Captain Viscount | Howard, Captain Hon. Donald |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Davidson, J.(Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) | Hume, Sir G, H. |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Dawson, Sir Philip | Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Mldl'n & P'bl's) |
| Balniel, Lord | Dixon, Captain Rt. Hon. Herbert | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Drewe, C. | Jacob, A. E. |
| Beamlsh, Captain T. P. H. | Eden, Captain Anthony | Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington) |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Kennedy, A. R, (Preston). |
| Bethel, A. | Elliot, Major Walter E. | King, Captain Henry Douglas |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Elveden, Viscount | Lamb, J. Q. |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon, George R. |
| Bird. Sir R. B. {Wolverhampton, W.) | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | Little, Dr. E. Graham |
| Blundell, F. N. | Everard, W. Lindsay | Loder, J. de V. |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Lord, Walter Greaves |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Falle, Sir Bertram G. | Laugher, L. |
| Bowater, Sir T. Vansittart | Fanshawe, Commander G. D. | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Vere |
| Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Fielden, E. B. | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman |
| Braithwaite, A. N. | Finburgh, S. | Lumley, L. R. |
| Brass, Captain W. | Ford, Sir P. J. | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Forestier-Walker, Sir L. | Maclntyre, lan |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Foxcroft, Captain C. T. | McLean, Major A. |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Fraser, Captain Ian | Macmillan, Captain H. |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis L. | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. | Galbraith, J. F W. | Makins, Brigadler-General E. |
| Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) | Ganzonl, Sir John | Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Gates, Percy | Margesson, Captain D. |
| Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. |
| Burman, J. B. | Glyn, Major R. G. C. | Merriman, F. B. |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Goff, Sir Park | Meyer, Sir Frank |
| Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- |
| Butt, Sir Alfred | Greene, W. P. Crawford | Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) |
| Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward | Gretton, Colonel John | Mousell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. |
| Campbell, E. T. | Grotrian, H. Brent | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) |
| Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prismth.S.) | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. | Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Hall, Capt. W. D.A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Morden, Col. W. Grant |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) | Hanbury, C. | Morrison. H. (Wilts, Salisbury) |
| Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive |
| Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Harland, A. | Nall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph |
| Chilcott, Sir Warden | Harrison, G. J. C. | Nelson, Sir Frank |
| Christie, J. A. | Hartington, Marquess of | Neville, R. J. |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Nuttall, Ellis |
| Clayton, G. C. | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totness) | O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Haslam, Henry C. | O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh |
| Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Hawke, John Anthony | Oakley, T. |
| Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. | Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. | Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) |
| Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxt'd, Henley) | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Perring, Sir William George |
| Cope, Major William | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) |
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANIt has nothing whatever to do with the question of my reporting the Bill to the House.
Captain BENNWith very great respect I would submit that I should be allowed to complete the sentence. The sentence is this: that I do not think any Member can remember any Bill of first-rate importance on which a Minister, with a Clause of moment such as Clause 2 is, has treated the House with marked contempt.
Question put, "That the Chairman do report the Bill, without Amendment, to the House."
The Committee divided: Ayes, 246; Noes, 89.
| Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) | Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down) | Ward. Lt.-Col. A. L. (Kingston-on-Hull) |
| Pielou, D. P. | Skelton, A. N. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) | Warrender, Sir Victor |
| Preston, William | Smithers, Waldron | Waterhouse, Captain Charles |
| Price, Major C. W. M. | Spender-Clay, Colonel H. | Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley) |
| Radford, E. A. | Sprat, Sir Alexander | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Raine, W. | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) | Watts, Dr. T. |
| Ramsden, E. | Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F. (Will'sden, E.) | Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H. |
| Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) | Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) |
| Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) | Steel, Major Samuel Strang | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) |
| Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. | Stott, Lieut.-colonel W. H. | Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) |
| Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y) | Streatfeild, Captain S. R. | Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) |
| Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) | Strickland, Sir Gerald | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Ropner, Major L. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) | Wise, Sir Fredric |
| Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. | Withers, John James |
| Salmon, Major I. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. | Womersley, W. J. |
| Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) | Templeton, W. P. | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) |
| Sandeman, A. Stewart | Thom, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.) |
| Sanders, Sir Robert A. | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Sanderson, Sir Frank | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.) | Wragg, Herbert |
| Sandon, Lord | Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of | |
| Savery, S. S. | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | TELLERS FOR THE AYES:— |
| Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mcl. (Renfrew, W) | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. P. | Colonel Gibbs and Sir Harry |
| Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y) | Wallace, Captain D. E. | Barnston. |
| Shepperson, E. W. |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) | Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Ammon, Charles George | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Scurr, John |
| Barnes, A. | Hirst, G. H. | Sexton, James |
| Barr, J. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Batey, Joseph | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Shepherd, Arthur Lewis |
| Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Briant, Frank | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Stephen, Campbell |
| Bromfield, William | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Stewart, J. (St. Rollox) |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Sutton. J. E. |
| Buchanan, G. | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Taylor, R. A. |
| Charleton, H. C. | Kelly, W. T. | Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey) |
| Clowes, S. | Kennedy, T. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton). E.) |
| Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) | Lansbury, George | Thurtle, E. |
| Compton, Joseph | Lawrence, Susan | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Crawfurd, H. E. | Lawson, John James | Townend, A. E. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lindley, F. W. | Varley, Frank B. |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Lunn, William | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Day, Colonel Harry | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermilne) |
| Duncan. C. | Naylor, T. E. | Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Fenby, T. D. | Oliver, George Harold | Welsh, J. C. |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Owen, Major G. | Westwood, J. |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Paling, W. | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | Wilkinson, Ellen C. |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. | Williams, C. P. (Denbigh, Wrexham) |
| Grundy, T. W. | Ponsonby, Arthur | Windsor, Walter |
| Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Potts, John S. | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Purcell, A. A. | |
| Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Riley, Ben | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hardie, George D. | Rose, Frank H. | Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. |
| Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Saklatvala, Shapurji | Hayes. |
§ Bill reported, without Amendment; to be read the third time tomorrow.