HC Deb 17 February 1926 vol 191 cc1914-7
34. Mr. WARDLAW-MILNE

asked the Minister of Labour whether there is difficulty in finding suitable women to fill this vacancies for domestic servants, amounting to 4,594, for whom situations existed at the Employment Exchanges of Great Britain on 7th December last; and whether he will take steps to notify the Exchanges that benefit will not be continued to women who are suitable for this employment and who refuse to undertake it provided a reasonable standard of conditions as regards wages, leave, and leisure time can be arranged for such employment?

Sir A. STEEL-MAITLAND

As is well known, there is considerable difficulty in filling vacancies for resident domestic servants in private houses. The Exchanges fill a number of such vacancies each week and have already definite instructions to the effect suggested in the second part of the question, provided of course also that there is no reasonable objection, e.g., in the form of distance or family circumstances of the applicant.

Mr. N. MACLEAN

Is it not the case that, if these women go into private domestic service, they at once contract out of insurable employment; and will the right hon. Gentleman take into consideration the fact that in most cases these women since leaving school have been in insurable occupations, and that it is not the duty of the Exchange to ask them to transfer out of the occupations to which they have been accustomed?

Sir A. STEEL-MAITLAND

I think the hon. Member is not correct in his inference. Of course, as to whether women in such cases have or have not been in insurable employment in the past, the fact is that if they have been, and if they go out to domestic service—which employment is not itself insurable—they do not necessarily lose their insurable status.

Mr. MACLEAN

Is it not the case that as soon as they go into private domestic service they go into a non-insurable occupation; and that, before they can get the stamps upon which benefit will be paid in the future, they must be in insurable employment?

Sir A. STEEL-MAITLAND

The main point is this. It is just the same in the case of women who go into domestic service, as in the case of men who temporarily take up work on the land. In either case the job which they are to undertake is not in itself insurable, but they do not simply for that reason lose their status as insured persons, unless they take it up permanently or show the intention of taking it up permanently.

Mr. BUCHANAN

Is the Minister aware that there is a growing disposition among the parents of these girls not to allow them to go to domestic service owing to certain cases in the Law Courts; and will he take steps to secure that those women who are transferred to domestic service, are sent to homes where the parents can be assured of their being properly treated?

Sir A. STEEL-MAITLAND

We look into the propriety of the employment in any case.

Mr. BUCHANAN

May I press the Minister, if his last answer is correct, as to whether he has any staff employed as investigators into the homes of those people to whom girls are transferred as domestic servants? [HON MEMBERS: "Answer!"]

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member ought to put that question down. That point does not necessarily arise out of the right hon. Gentleman's answer.

Mr. BUCHANAN

On a point of Order. A question has been put on the Paper which, in fact, reflects on certain women by suggesting that they do not want work. Are we not entitled to see that these women have no such reflection cast upon them?

Mr. WARDLAW-MILNE

On a point of Order—

Mr. SPEAKER

I do not think it is necessary to pursue the matter. Question 35.

Mr. KIRKWOOD

On a point of Order, Sir. Are these girls not as much entitled to ask their employer for a character as the employers are entitled to ask the servant girl for references as to her character! [HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"] Order yourselves!

Sir F. HALL

On a point of Order—[Interruption.]

Mr. KIRKWOOD

We can roar "Order, order!" until further orders, as well as hon. Members opposite.

Mr. SPEAKER

I think hon. Members should allow me to deal with one point at a time. There is no point of Order in the question put by the hon. Member for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood).

Mr. WARDLAW-MILNE

On a point of Order. I want to submit that a statement has been made from the other side regarding my motives in putting down this question, which statement is quite improper. This question does not cast any aspersion upon any class, and I very strongly object to the suggestion that it does.

Mr. MACLEAN

May I ask if it is not a reflection upon these women to suggest, as this question does that benefit ought to be refused to them. Does not that mean that the hon. Member is inferring that these women are not genuinely seeking employment? That is the reflection.

Mr. BUCHANAN

It is most offensive.

Sir F. HALL

Is an hon. Member entitled after you, Sir, have called the next Question on the Paper—as you did in this case—to raise further Supplementary Questions and to go back upon the previous question?[Interruption.]

Mr. SPEAKER

Hon. Members are redly preventing their colleagues from being heard. I do not think it is necessary to prolong this matter.

Mr. MACLEAN

Why does not the hon. Member apologise? [HON. MEMBERS "Order!"]

Mr. KIRKWOOD

We can shout "Order!" as well as they can. [HON. MEMBERS: "Name!"] You can name me if you like.

Mr. SPEAKER

The matter is one which rests in my discretion, and I must be allowed to deal with it in my awn way. Mr. Pilcher.