§ In Section one hundred and thirty-eight of the Army Act (which relates to penal stoppages from the ordinary pay of soldiers), at the end of the proviso, there shall be added:
§ (d) where a soldier has made an allotment from his ordinary pay for the support of any dependant, penal deductions from his ordinary pay shall be made only from the portion of his ordinary pay not so allotted. — [Lieut.-Colonel Watts-Morgan.]
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
Lieut.-Colonel WATTS-MORGANI beg to move, "'That the Clause be read a Second time."
On behalf of my hon. Friend the Member for Limehouse (Mr. Attlee) I move this Clause. I do not propose to offer any words in the way of explanation. I think that in any case where an allotment has been offered by the soldier to his family at home it is very necessary arid desirable that it should be carried out. I hope that on that ground alone the hon. and gallant Member in charge
§ of the Bill will see his way to accept the Clause and that any reductions in pay that are made shall not be made from the allotment.
§ Captain KINGI regret that we cannot accept this Clause. I would remind the hon. and gallant Member for East Rhondda (Lieut.-Colonel Watts-Morgan) who has moved it that we have already, since this time last year, gone quite three-fourths of the way we are asked to go. At this time last year an allotment could cease altogether if a man was owing a debt which amounted to a period of three months' pay. We have now gone into that matter, and the soldier is already placed in a very much more favourable position than the civilian in ordinary life. The family of the civilian has to bear his mistake. I regret that it is impossible to accept this Clause.
§ Question put,"That the Clause be read a Second time."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 114 Noes, 260.
1301| Division No. 191.] | AYES. | [8.10 p.m. |
| Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (File, West) | Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) | Sitch, Charles H. |
| Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Slesser, Sir Henry H. |
| Barker. G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon | Smillie, Robert |
| Barnes, A. | Hayday, Arthur | Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe) |
| Barr, J. | Hayes, John Henry | Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley) |
| Batey, Joseph | Hirst, G. H. | Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip |
| Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Spencer, G. A. (Broxtowe) |
| Broad, F. A. | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles |
| Bromley, J. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Stamford, T. W. |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Stephen, Campbell |
| Buchanan, G. | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Stewart, J. (St. Rolfox) |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel | Kelly, W. T. | Sullivan, Joseph |
| Cape, Thomas | Kennedy, T, | Sutton. J. E. |
| Charleton, H. C. | Kenyon, Barnet | Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby) |
| Clowes, S. | Lee, F. | Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro. W.) |
| Cluse, W. S. | Livingstone, A. M. | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Lowth, T. | Thurtle, E. |
| Connolly, M. | Lunn, William | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Cove, W. G. | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) | Townend, A. E. |
| Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) | Mac Neill-Weir, L. | Viant, S. P. |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | March, S. | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Montague, Frederick | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
| Dennison, R. | Murnin, H. | Watts-Morgan. Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda) |
| Duncan, C. | Naylor, T. E. | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Edwards, John H. (Accrington) | Oliver, George Harold | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) | Owen, Major G. | Whiteley, W. |
| Fenby, T. D. | Palin, John Henry | Wiggins, William Martin |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Paling, W. | Williams, David (Swansea, East) |
| Gillett, George M. | Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly) |
| Gosling, Harry | Potts, John S. | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Riley, Ben | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Grenfell, D. R, (Glamorgan) | Ritson, J. | Windsor, Walter |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Saklatvala, Shapurji | Wright, W. |
| Groves, T. | Salter, Dr. Alfred | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Grundy, T. W. | Scrymgeour, E. | |
| Guest, J. (York, Hemsworth) | Shiels, Dr. Drummond | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) | Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) | Mr. T, Henderson and Mr. Warne. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Fielden, E. B. | Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn |
| Agg-Gardner, fit. Hon. Sir James T. | Ford, Sir P. J. | Meller, R. J. |
| Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) | Forrest, W. | Merriman, F. B. |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Fraser, Captain Ian | Meyer, Sir Frank |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. | Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. | Gadle, Lieut.-Colonel Anthony | Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) |
| Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) | Galbraith, J. F, W. | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) |
| Astor, Viscountess | Gates, Percy | Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B, M. |
| Atkinson, C. | Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Morrison, H. (Wilts, Salisbury) |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham | Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive |
| Balfour, George (Hampstead) | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Murchison, C. K. |
| Balniel, Lord | Glyn, Major R. G. C. | Nail, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph |
| Banks, Reginald Mitchell | Golf, Sir Park | Neville, R. J. |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Gower, Sir Robert | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Barnett, Major Sir Richard | Grant, J. A. | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) |
| Barnston, Major Sir Harry | Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | Nicholson, O. (Westminster) |
| Beamish, Captain T. P. H. | Greene, W. P. Crawford | Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Gretton, Colonel John | Nuttall, Ellis |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Gunston, Captain D. W. | Oakley, [...]. |
| Bethel, A. | Hacking, Captain Douglas H. | O'Connor, T. J. (Bedford, Luton) |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) | Pennefather, Sir John |
| Blundell, F. N. | Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Penny, Frederick George |
| Bowater, Sir T. Vansittart | Hammersley, S. S. | Perring, Sir William George |
| Brassey, Sir Leonard | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hen. William Clive | Harland, A. | Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) |
| Briggs, J. Harold | Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kint) | Pilditch, Sir Philip |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Harrison, G. J. C. | Power, Sir John Cecil |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Hartington, Marquess of | Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Preston, William |
| Broun-Lindsay, Major H. | Harvey, Majors. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) | Haslam, Henry C. | Raine, W. |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Henderson, Lieut.-Col. V. L. (Bootle) | Rawson, Sir Alfred Cooper |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. | Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington) |
| Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Rice, Sir Frederick |
| Burman, J. B. | Hennessy, Major J. R. G. | Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint) |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) | Ropner, Major L. |
| Butler, Sir Geoffrey | Hills, Major John Waller | Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. |
| Butt, Sir Alfred | Hilton, Cecil | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Campbell, E. T. | Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) | Rye, F. G. |
| Cassels, J. D. | Holt, Captain H. P. | Salmon. Major I. |
| Cayzer, sir C (Chester, City) | Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) | Samuel, A. M (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Cayzer, Maj, Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) | Hopkins, J. W. W. | Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney) |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) | Sanders, Sir Robert A. |
| Chapman, Sir S. | Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. | Sanderson, Sir Frank |
| Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M, (Hackney, N.) | Sandon, Lord |
| Christie, J. A. | Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Churchman, Sir Arthur C. | Hume, Sir G. H. | Savery, S. S. |
| Clarry, Reginald George | Hurd, Percy A. | Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D Mcl. (Renfrew, W) |
| Clayton, G. C. | Hutchison. G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's) | Shaw, Capt. W, W. (Wilts, Westb'y) |
| Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Simms, Or. John M. (Co. Down) |
| Conway, Sir W, Martin | Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. | Skelton, A. N. |
| Cope, Major William | Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) | Slaney, Major P. Kenyon |
| Couper, J. B. | Jephcott, A. R. | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) |
| Cowan, Sir Wm. Henry (Islington, N.) | Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) | Smith-Carington, Neville W. |
| Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) | Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) | Smithers, Waldron |
| Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry | Kindersley, Major G. M. | Sprot, Sir Alexander |
| Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) | King, Captain Henry Douglas | Stanley, Col. Hon. G. F.(Will'sden, E.) |
| Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Stanley, Lord (Fylde) |
| Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Knox, Sir Alfred | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland) |
| Cunliffe, Sir Herbert | Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R. | Steel, Major Samuel Strang |
| Curtis-Bennett, Sir Henry | Leigh, Sir John (Clapham) | Storry-Deans, R. |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) | Strickland, Sir Gerald |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) | Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C. |
| Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempst'd) | Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
| Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. | Loder, J. de V. | Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H. |
| Davies, Dr. Vernon | Lord, Walter Greaves- | Tasker, Major R. Inigo |
| Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Lougher, L. | Thorn, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) |
| Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) | Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harman | Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) |
| Dawson, Sir Philip | Lumley, L. R. | Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) |
| Dixey, A. C. | Lynn, Sir Robert J. | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of |
| Drewe, C. | Mac Andrew, Major Charles Glen | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Duckworth, John | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) | Vaugnan-Morgan, Col. K. P. |
| Edmondson, Major A. J. | Macdonald, R. (Glasgow, Cathcart) | Waddington, R. |
| Ellis, R. G. | McLean, Major A. | Wallace, Captain D. E. |
| Elveden, Viscount | Macmillan, Captain H. | Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull) |
| England, Colonel A, | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. |
| Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) |
| Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Macquisten, F. A. | Watts, Dr. T. |
| Everard, W. Lindsay | MacRobert, Alexander M. | Wells, S. R. |
| Fairfax, Captain J. G. | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel | White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple |
| Faile, Sir Bertram G. | Makins, Brigadier-General E. | Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern) |
| Fermoy, Lord | Malone, Major P. B. | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) |
| Wilson, Sir C. H. (Leeds, Central) | Withers, John James | Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T. |
| Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) | Wolmer, Viscount | |
| Winby, Colonel L. P. | Womersley, W. J. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George | Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde) | Major Sir Harry Barnston and |
| Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl | Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.) | Captain Bowyer. |
| Wise, Sir Fredric | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L, |
§ It being after a Quarter-past Eight of the Clock, further Proceeding was postponed without Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 4.