HC Deb 26 June 1925 vol 185 cc1945-8

I beg to move, in page 5, line 1, after the word "Fisheries," to

I think that in this particular case the allotment holders have the balance in favour of them, and I am sorry, therefore that the right hon. Gentleman has not been able to accept the Amendment.

Question put, "That the words ' six months ' stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 94; Noes, 68.

Division No. 212.] AYES. [2.0 p. m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Forrest, W. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Gibbs, Col. Rt. Hon. George Abraham Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome)
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Pilditch, Sir Philip
Beamish, Captain T. P. H. Glyn, Major R. G. C. Price, Major C. W. M.
Berry, Sir George Greene, W. P. Crawford Ramsden, E.
Blundell, F. N. Grotrian, H. Brent Sandeman, A. Stewart
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Gunston, Captain D. W. Savery, S. S.
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Harrison, G. J. C. Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hawke, John Anthony Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Henn, Sir Sydney H. Slaney, Major P. Kenyon
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D.(St. Marylebone) Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Burney, Lieut.-Com. Charles D. Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Smithers, Waldron
Campbell, E. T. Hopkins, J. W. W. Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Hume, Sir G. H. Styles, Captain H. Walter
Cazalet, Captain Victor A. Hurd, Percy A. Sykes, Major-Gen. Sir Frederick H.
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. Tasker, Major R. Inigo
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Jacob, A. E. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Knox, Sir Alfred Tinne, J. A.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Lane-Fox, Lieut.-Col. George R. Ward, Lt.-Col. A. L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. MacAndrew, Charles Glen Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Conway. Sir W. Martin McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Watts, Dr. T.
Cope, Major William McLean, Major A. Wheler, Major Sir Granville C. H.
Couper, J. B. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Wise, Sir Fredric
Davies, A. V. (Lancaster, Royton) Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Wood, Rt. Hon. E. (York, W. R., Ripon)
Dixey, A. C. Moore, Sir Newton J. Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Edwards, John H. (Accrington) Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)
Elliot, Captain Walter E. Moreing, Captain A. H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Oakley, T. Mr. Looker and Sir Douglas
Fermoy, Lord Oman, Sir Charles William C. Newton.
Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Pennefather, Sir John
Ammon, Charles George Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Slesser, Sir Henry H.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Baker, J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Snell, Harry
Baker, Walter Kelly, W. T. Stephen, Campbell
Barnes, A. Kennedy, T. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Batey, Joseph Kenyon, Barnet Taylor, R. A.
Bromley, J. Lamb, J. Q. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Cluse, W. S. Lansbury, George Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Craig, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. C. (Antrim) Livingstone, A. M. Thurtle, E.
Dalton, Hugh Lowth, T. Viant, S. P.
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Day, Colonel Harry March, S. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon Josiah
Dunnico, H. Montague, Frederick Westwood, J.
Foster, Sir Harry S. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Naylor, T. E. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Gosling, Harry Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Paling, W. Windsor, Walter
Groves, T. Potts, John S. Womersley, W. J.
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. (Bristol, N.) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wright, W.
Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.) Ritson, J. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford)
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Scrymgeour, E. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Shiels, Dr. Drummond Hayes.

insert the words "after consultation with the Minister of Health."

Clause 7 deals with the subsequent sale for other purposes of land purchased for allotments, and inasmuch as the Ministry of Health is directly responsible for the conduct of that business with local authorities, it seems reasonable that the Minister of Health should have the opportunity of consultation with the Minister of Agriculture on these administrative matters.

Amendment agreed to.


I beg to move, in page 5, line 5, to leave out the word "impracticable," and to insert instead thereof the words "not reasonably practicable."

Hon. Members will realise that it is very hard to say what is impracticable, and, indeed, there are very few limits within which by some means or other a thing could not be held to be practicable. I think the words "not reasonably practicable" would be better.

Amendment agreed to.


I beg to move, in page 5, line 5, at the end, to insert the words and where such consent is obtained the sanction of the county council under Section thirty-two of The Small Holdings and Allotments Act, 1908, shall not be required. This is really almost a consequential Amendment following upon the insertion of the Amendment necessitating consultation with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Health. By virtue of Section 32 of the Act of 1908 a local authority can only sell the land provided they have obtained the sanction of the county council. We have just provided that they can only sell the land provided they obtain the sanction of the Minister of Agriculture after consultation with the Minister of Health, and in those circumstances it seems unnecessary to impose upon them the necessity of obtaining a third sanction from the county council.


I do not want to oppose this Amendment, but I would like to ask the Minister to bear in mind on future occasions whether it is necessary to obtain the consent of Whitehall in these purely local matters. Surely it is a matter to be left in the hands of the local bodies, who know the circumstances, rather than to bring in the Minister of Health and the Minister of Agriculture. We really know how to manage our own affairs in our own localities up to a certain point.


I believe that all these Amendments to this Clause are made on the suggestion of the Association of Municipal Corporations, and on their behalf I would like to thank my right hon. Friend for having adopted those suggestions.

Amendment agreed to.