HC Deb 05 August 1925 vol 187 cc1506-7

Lords Amendment:

In page 20, line 21, after "that" insert (a) if no widow's pension is payable by reason of there being no child under the age of fourteen, but there is a child over the age of fourteen in respect of whom an additional allowance would be payable if the widow were entitled to a widow's pension, an additional allowance shall be payable in respect of that child; and (b)

Mr. SPEAKER

This Amendment will in some cases make possible an allowance not permissible under the Bill as it left this House, and therefore I call the attention of the House to it.

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

I do not dispute what you, Sir, have said in regard to this Clause, but I think when the House hears exactly what it means they will agree that this is a case where they might properly waive their privilege. Clause 18, which deals with widows' and orphans' pensions when the husband or parent dies before the commencement of the Act, contains a paragraph (c) to which a manuscript Amendment was moved in Committee and was carried out. A concession was made. That manuscript Amendment is the same as the one that is now inserted and made to apply to widows of men who are already over 70 at the commencement of the Act. The case is this. I will take Section 18 first. A widow who is a widow before the commencement of the Act and has a child over the age of 14 at school would not be entitled to a pension for herself, but we have agreed that an allowance should be payable in respect of the child, although the mother is not entitled. The allowance is kept on while the child is at school. I do not know whether there will be many similar cases occurring in connection with widows of men over 70 at the commencement of the Act, but there may be such cases, and the Amendment which I am now asking the House to agree with is an Amendment which makes a similar provision if such a case as that should occur.

Mr. CHAMBERLAIN

There is a further Amendment on page 30, line 40.

Mr. SPEAKER

I understand that Amendment was not made.