HC Deb 08 July 1924 vol 175 cc2163-7

Paragraph (1) of the Second Schedule to the Finance Act, 1920, which prescribes the rates of duty on cycles shall have effect by the addition thereto of rates of duty for mechanically assisted pedal cycles as follows:—

£ s.
Bicycles propelled by pedals assisted with a mechanical motor attachment not exceeding 100 1bs. in weight unladen 0 10
Tricycles propelled by pedals assisted with a mechanical motor attachment not exceeding 200 1bs. in weight unladen. 1 10

—[Mr. Toole.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Mr. TOOLE

I beg to move, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

It is quite a simple matter as I understand it, and will not cost very much.

The MINISTER of TRANSPORT (Mr. Gosling)

This proposed Clause cannot be accepted in its present form, as it would include light-weight motor cycles; in fact, apparently all one would have to do would be to put pedals on these vehicles, in order to bring them within the suggested Clause, though doubtless the real intention is to deal with what are known as "auto-wheel attachments." As far as the second part of the Amendment is concerned, the Ministry of Transport dealt with this matter as long ago as January, 1921, and on the 28th of that month, in Information Circular No. 2 then issued, there appeared the following information: Auto-wheels, bicycles and tricycles primarily constructed to be propelled by pedals and fitted with an auto-wheel attachment

as an additional or alternative method of propulsion should only be charged with duty at the annual rate of 30s."

As far as the Ministry of Transport is aware, this paragraph has been acted upon throughout the country ever since that date. In these circumstances I cannot accept this Clause.

Mr. TOOLE

I should like to ask if the Minister of Transport has any opinion of his own on the matter.

Mr. GOSLING

The opinions that I have of my own are opinions which I form after having good advice.

Question put, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 76; Noes, 214.

Division No. 139.] AYES. [2.0 a.m.
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Rhys, Hon. C. A. U.
Banks, Reginald Mitchell Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Richardson, Lt-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Harland, A. Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Becker, Harry Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Ropner, Major L.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Hartington, Marquess of Roundell, Colonel R. F.
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Blades, Sir George Rowland Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Walford) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Howard, Hn, D. (Cumberland,Northrn.) Sandeman, A. Stewart
Brittain, Sir Harry Hughes, Collingwood Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D.
Burman, J. B. Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. Savery, S. S.
Butler, Sir Geoffrey Kindersley, Major G. M. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Butt, Sir Alfred King, Captain Henry Douglas Somerville, Daniel (Barrow-in-Furness)
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Lumley, L. R. Spender-Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H.
Cope, Major William Makins, Brigadier-General E. Steel, Samuel Strang
Courthope, Lieut.-Col. George L. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Curzon, Captain Viscount Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) Warrender, Sir Victor
Dalkeith, Earl of Nicholson, O. (Westminster) Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Davidson, Major-General Sir J. H. Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Wheler, Lieut.-Col. Granville C. H.
Dawson, Sir Philip O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Hugh Wilson, Sir Charles H. (Leeds,Central)
Dixey, A. C. Penny, Frederick George Wise, Sir Fredric
Eden, Captain Anthony Perkins, Colonel E. K. Wragg, Herbert
Eyres-Monsell, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. Philipson, Mabel Yerburgh, Major Robert D. T.
Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfray Pielou, D. P.
Ferguson, H. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Greenwood, William (Stockport) Raine, W. Mr. Deans and Mr. Remer.
Hacking, Captain Douglas H.
NOES.
Ackroyd, T. R. Clayton, G. C. Foot, Isaac
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Climie. R. Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Cluse, W. S. Gates, Percy
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Gaunt, Rear-Admiral Sir Guy R.
Ammon, Charles George Compton, Joseph George, Major G. L. (Pembroke)
Aske, Sir Robert William Comyns-Carr, A. S. Gibbins, Joseph
Attlee, Major Clement R. Costello, L. W. J. Gillett, George M.
Baker, Walter Cove, W. G. Gorman, William
Banton, G. Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Gosling, Harry
Barclay, R. Noton Crittall, V. G. Gould, Frederick (Somerset, Frome)
Barnes, A. Darbishire, C. W. Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central)
Batey, Joseph Davies, David (Montgomery) Greene. W. P. Crawford
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne)
Birkett, W. N. Dickie, Captain J. P. Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)
Blundell, F. N. Dickson, T. Grundy, T. W.
Bonwick, Alfred J. Dodds, S. R. Guest, Dr. L. Haden (Southwark, N.)
Briant, Frank Duckworth, John Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton)
Broad, F. A. Dukes, C. Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Bromfield, William Duncan, C. Harbord, Arthur
Brown, A. E. (Warwick, Rugby) Edwards, G. (Norfolk, Southern) Hardie, George D.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Egan, W. H. Harris, Percy A.
Buckle, J. England, Colonel A. Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon
Charleton, H. C. Falconer, J. Harvey,C.M.B.(Aberd'n & Kincardne)
Clarke, A. Fletcher, Lieut.-Com. R. T. H. Harvey, T. E. (Dewsbury)
Hastings, Sir Patrick Mansel, Sir Courtenay Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhlthe)
Haycock, A. W. March, S. Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Hayday, Arthur Marley, James Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Henderson, A. (Cardiff, South) Martin, F. (Aberdeen & Kinc'dine, E.) Snell, Harry
Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Martin, W. H. (Dumbarton) Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Henderson, W. W. (Middlesex, Enfld.) Middleton, G. Spence, R.
Hillary, A. E. Mills, J. E. Spero, Dr. G. E.
Hindle, F. Mond, H. Spoor, B. G.
Hirst, G. H. Morris, R. H. Stamford, T. W.
Hobhouse, A. L. Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South) Starmer, Sir Charles
Hodges, Frank Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham. N.) Stranger, Innes Harold
Hoffman, P. C. Morse, W. E. Sturrock, J. Leng
Howard, Hon. G. (Bedford, Luton) Mosley, Oswald Sunlight. J.
Hudson, J. H. Moulton, Major Fletcher Tattersall, J. L.
Isaacs, G. A. Murray, Robert Terrington, Lady
Jackson, R. F. (Ipswich) Murrell, Frank Thompson, Piers G. (Torquay)
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Naylor, T. E. Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro, W.)
Jenkins, W. A. (Brecon and Radnor) Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
John, William (Rhondda, West) Nixon, H. Thornton, Maxwell R.
Johnston, Thomas (Stirling) O'Grady, Captain James Thurtle, E.
Johnstone, Harcourt (Willesden, East) Oliver, P. M. (Manchester, Blackley) Toole, J.
Jones, C. Sydney (Liverpool, W. Derby) Owen, Major G. Tout, W. J.
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Paling, W. Vivian, H.
Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Palmer, E. T. Wallhead, Richard C.
Jones. Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Ward, G. (Leicester, Bosworth)
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Pattinson, S. (Horncastle) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Perry, S. F. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Jowitt, W. A. (The Hartlepools) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
Kay, Sir R. Newbald Philllpps, Vivian Wedgwood, Col. Rt. Hon. Josiah C.
Kedward, R. M. Potts, John S. Wells, S. R.
Keens, T. Purcell, A. A. Whiteley, W.
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Rattety, F. W. Williams, A. (York, W.R., Sowerby)
Kirkwood, D. Ramage, Captain Cecil Beresford Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Lamb, J. Q. Rathbone, Hugh R. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Lansbury, George Rea, W. Russell Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Laverack, F. J. Rees, Sir Beddoe Williams, Maj. A. S. (Kent, Sevenoaks)
Law, A. Richards, R. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Lawson, John James Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Williams, Lt.-Col. T.S.B. (Kennington)
Leach, W. Robertson, J. (Lanark, Bothwell) Willison, H.
Lee, F. Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Lessing, E. Romeril, H. G. Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Linfield, F. C. Royle, C. Windsor, Walter
Lloyd, Cyril E. (Dudley) Scurr, John Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Loverseed, J. F. Seely, H. M. (Norfolk, Eastern) Wright, W.
Lunn, William Sexton, James Young, Andrew (Glasgow, Partick)
McEntee, V. L. Shepperson, E. W.
Macfadyen, E. Sherwood, George Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES.ߞ
Mackinder, W. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury) Mr. Kennedy and Mr. Warne.
Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)