HC Deb 17 July 1923 vol 166 cc2056-9

Would the Prime Minister tell us how far he proposes to go to-night with the Orders of the Day?


I hope the first six Orders.


Is it proposed to take all the Supply Votes?


No. I beg pardon. I am obliged to the hon. Gentleman for calling my attention to that. I am only proposing to take Votes 14 and 15, to sanction certain expenditure which I believe to be necessary.


Do the Government propose to proceed with the proposals in certain Scottish Education Bills from the House of Lords? As my right hon. Friend probably knows, there is a good deal of opposition from all quarters of the House to those Bills.


I understand that considerable opposition has been manifested.

Lieut. - Commander KENWORTHY

May I draw attention to the late position on the Order Paper of the Supply Votes, and will the right hon. Gentleman see that Supply is put down so that we may reasonably expect it to be taken at an earlier hour?


I am not clear what the hon. and gallant Member's point is, but the Votes put down for to-night are merely to sanction certain expenditure.

Lieut. - Commander KENWORTHY

That is exactly my point. Will the right hon. Gentleman see in future that we are not asked to sanction expenditure at a late hour of the night, especially in view of the financial situation of the country?


I am sure the hon. and gallant Member will observe that this is the Report stage of these Votes, which have already been discussed in Committee.

Captain BENN

With reference to the Education (Scotland) Bill, I presume it is only the Second Reading that is to be taken to-night?



Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted at this day's Sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House.)—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 238; Noes, 157.

Division No. 292.] AYES. [3.47 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Dixon, C. H. (Rutland) Lamb, J. Q.
Ainsworth, Captain Charles Doyle, N. Grattan Lane-Fox, Lieut.-Colonel G. R.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton, East) Du Pre, Colonel William Baring Lloyd-Greame, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip
Alexander, Col. M. (Southwark) Edmondson, Major A. J. Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green)
Allen, Lieut.-Col. Sir William James Ednam, Viscount Lorden, John William
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) Lorimer, H. D.
Apsley, Lord Ellis, R. C. Lougher, L.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Wilfrid W. England, Lieut.-Colonel A. Lowe, Sir Francis William
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Loyd, Arthur Thomas (Abingdon)
Astor, Viscountess Evans, Capt. H. Arthur (Leicester, E.) Lumley, L. R.
Baird, Rt. Hon. Sir John Lawrence Eyres-Monsell, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. M. Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfrey McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Fermor-Hesketh, Major T. Makins, Brigadier-General E.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Forestier-Walker, L. Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.)
Barlow, Rt. Hon. Sir Montague Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot Manville, Edward
Barnston, Major Harry Frece, Sir Walter de Margesson, H. D. R.
Becker, Harry Furness, G. J. Mercer, Colonel H.
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Ganzoni, Sir John Milne, J. S. Wardlaw
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Gardiner, James Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Garland, C. S. Molloy, Major L. G. S.
Betterton, Henry B. Gaunt, Rear-Admiral Sir Guy R. Murchison, C. K.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Nall, Major Joseph
Bird, Sir William B. M. (Chichester) Goff, Sir R. Park Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Finchley)
Blundell, F. N. Greaves-Lord, Walter Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hack'y, N.) Nicholson, Brig.-Gen. J. (Westminster)
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Gretton, Colonel John Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)
Brass, Captain W. Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Nield, Sir Herbert
Brassey, Sir Leonard Gwynne, Rupert S. Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Hacking, Captain Douglas H. O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Hugh
Briggs, Harold Hall, Rr-Adml Sir W. (Liv'p'l, W. D'by) Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Brittain, Sir Harry Halstead, Major D. Paget, T. G.
Brown, Major D. C. (Hexham) Hamilton, Sir George C. (Altrincham) Parker, Owen (Kettering)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury) Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Pease, William Edwin
Brown, J. W. (Middlesbrough, E.) Harrison, F. C. Pennefather, De Fonblanque
Bruford, R. Harvey, Major S. E. Penny, Frederick George
Bruton, Sir James Hawke, John Anthony Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Buckingham, Sir H. Hay, Major T. W. (Norfolk, South) Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Henn, Sir Sydney H. Perring, William George
Burn, Colonel Sir Charles Rosdew Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Peto, Basil E.
Butcher, Sir John George Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Phillipson, Mabel
Butler, H. M. (Leeds, North) Herbert, S. (Scarborough) Pielou, D. P.
Button, H. S. Hewett, Sir J. P. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Cadogan, Major Edward Hiley, Sir Ernest Raeburn, Sir William H.
Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Raine, W.
Cassels, J. D. Hood, Sir Joseph Rankin, Captain James Stuart
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hopkins, John W. W. Rawson, Lieut.-Com. A. C.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Rees, Sir Beddoe
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm., W.) Houfton, John Plowright Reid, Capt. A. S. C. (Warrington)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Howard, Capt. D. (Cumberland, N.) Rentoul, G. S.
Chapman, Sir S. Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Col. C. K. Reynolds, W. G. W.
Clarry, Reginald George Hudson, Capt. A. Rhodes, Lieut.-Col. J. P.
Clayton, G. C. Hughes, Collingwood Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hume, G. H. Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Hurd, Percy A. Robertson-Despencer, Major (Islgtn, W.)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Hurst, Gerald B. Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs, Stretford)
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale Hutchison, G. A. C. (Midlothian, N.) Rogerson, Capt. J. E.
Cope, Major William Hutchison, W. (Kelvingrove) Roundell, Colonel R. F.
Craig, Captain C. C. (Antrim, South) Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Ruggles-Brise, Major E.
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Croft, Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Russell, William (Bolton)
Crook, C. W. (East Ham, North) Jenkins, W. A. (Brecon and Radnor) Russell-Wells, Sir Sydney
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Jephcott, A. R. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Curzon, Captain Viscount Jodrell, Sir Neville Paul Sanders, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert A.
Davidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead) Joynson-Hicks, Sir William Sandon, Lord
Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln) Kelley, Major Sir Frederick A. Shepperson, E. W.
Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) Kennedy, Captain M. S. Nigel Simpson-Hinchliffe, W. A.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) King, Capt. Henry Douglas Skelton, A. N.
Dixon, Capt. H. (Belfast, E.) Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Spears, Brig.-Gen. E. L. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement Wise, Frederick
Spender-Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Tubbs, S. W. Wolmer, Viscount
Stanley, Lord Turton, Edmund Russborough Wood, Rt. Hn. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Steel, Major S. Strang Wallace, Captain E. Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)
Stewart, Gershom (Wirral) Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull) Wood, Maj. Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
Stockton, Sir Edwin Forsyth Ward, Col. J. (Stoke-upon-Trent) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Stott, Lt.-Col. W. H. Waring, Major Walter Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward
Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- Watts, Dr. T. (Man., Withington) Yerburgh, R. D. T.
Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser Wells, S. R.
Sugden, Sir Wilfrid H. Weston, Colonel John Wakefield TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) White, Lt.-Col. G. D. (Southport) Colonel Leslie Wilson and Colonel
Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George the Rt. Hon. G. A. Gibbs.
Titchfield, Marquess of Winterton, Earl
Adams, D. Hayes, John Henry (Edge Hill) Ponsonby, Arthur
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (N'castle, E.) Potts, John S.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Pringle, W. M. R.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Herriotts, J. Richards, R.
Attlee, C. R. Hill, A. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Hillary, A. E. Riley, Ben
Barnes, A. Hinds, John Ritson, J.
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar (Banff) Hirst, G. H. Roberts, C. H. (Derby)
Batey, Joseph Hodge, Rt. Hon. John Robinson, W. C. (York, Elland)
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Hutchison, Sir R. (Kirkcaldy) Rose, Frank H.
Bonwick, A. Irving, Dan Salter, Dr. A.
Brotherton, J. John, William (Rhondda, West) Sexton, James
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Johnston, Thomas (Stirling) Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Buckie, J. Johnstone, Harcourt (Willesden, East) Shaw, Thomas (Preston)
Burgess, S. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Shinwell, Emanuel
Buxton, Charles (Accrington) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) Jones, R. T. (Carnarvon) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Clarke, Sir E. C. Jowett, F. W. (Bradford, East) Simpson, J. Hope
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Sitch, Charles H.
Collie, Sir John Kenyon, Barnet Smith, T. (Pontefract)
Collison, Levi Kirkwood, D. Snell, Harry
Cotts, Sir William Dingwall Mitchell Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Snowden, Philip
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lansbury, George Spencer, George A. (Broxtowe)
Darbishire, C. W. Lawson, John James Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Leach, W. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) Lee, F. Strauss, Edward Anthony
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Lees-Smith, H. B. (Keighley) Sturrock, J. Leng
Duffy, T. Gavan Linfield, F. C. Sullivan, J.
Ede, James Chuter Lowth, T. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Edmonds, G. Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Thornton, M.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) McCurdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A. Trevelyan, C. P.
Emlyn-Jones, J. E. (Dorset, N.) MacDonald, J. R. (Aberavon) Turner, Ben
Entwistle, Major C. F. M'Entee, V. L. Wellhead, Richard C.
Falconer, J. McLaren, Andrew Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Fildes, Henry Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Warne, G. H.
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Foot, Isaac March, S. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Gosling, Harry Martin, F. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, E.) Webb, Sidney
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) Millar, J. D. Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Gray, Frank (Oxford) Morel, E. D. Weir, L. M.
Greenall, T. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Westwood, J.
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Mosley, Oswald Whiteley, W.
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Muir, John W. Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Murnin, H. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Grundy, T. W. Murray, John (Leeds, West) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Hall, F. (York, W. R. Normanton) Murray, R. (Renfrew, Western) Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Connor, Thomas P. Wintringham, Margarel
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) O'Grady, Captain James Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Hancock, John George Oliver, George Harold Wright, W.
Harbord, Arthur Paling, W. Young, Rt. Hon. E. H. (Norwich)
Hardie, George D. Parker, H. (Hanley) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Hay, Captain J. P. (Cathcart) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)
Hayday, Arthur Pattinson, S. (Horncastle) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. Spears and Mr. Lunn.

Question put, and agreed to.