HC Deb 03 July 1923 vol 166 cc281-93

The new import duties and the additional Customs duties on dried fruits imposed by Part I of the Finance (No. 2) Act, 1915, shall, subject to the provisions of Section eight of the Finance Act, 1919 (which relates to imperial preference rates), continue to be charged, levied and paid, in the case of the new import duties, until the first day of May, nineteen hundred and twenty-four, and in the case of the duties on dried fruits, until the first day of August, nineteen hundred and twenty-four.


I beg to move, after the word "duties" ["the new import duties"], to insert the words except the duties on cinematograph films of a wholly educational character or imported wholly for educational purposes. [This is a matter which was raised on the Committee stage when the Committee was being led by the Solicitor-General. The Financial Secretary to the Treasury returned to the House after dinner, without having heard our speeches and was in such a genial frame of mind that he promised between then and this stage of the Bill to go into the question and see if he could find a form of words which would enable him to deal with this phase of the subject. I understand the effect of the dinner has worn off and he is not able to find the form of words. We have, therefore, been compelled to find our own form of words. I think this is a very harmful tax upon the knowledge of our people. Shortly before I became a Member of the House I received a complaint from the parents of a village within 20 miles of this House who were very much aggrieved at the state of the geography teaching in the village school. It is a small isolated parish on the Surrey Hills. I went there and asked the children some questions about geography and found that out of 60 scholars not one of them had ever seen any running stream or a bridge, and when I asked them what a tram-car was the only answer I could get was, "Is it something like an aeroplane?" The peculiar thing was—and it instances very well the isolation of these children—that they had seen aeroplanes passing overhead but had never seen anything as ancient as a tramcar. Even in urban districts it is astonishing the small range through which children have moved in the course of their lives, and if you go into any urban elementary school you will find that nearly half the children who are under 10 or 12 years of age have never been more than four or five miles from the place where they were born. It is desirable that we should make the great world, of which these children have to form a very influential part in the years to come, a very real thing to them, and the only way, in my opinion, as one who has had to face the problem practically for a good many years, in which we can deal with it under modern conditions is to bring the cinema into the schools. Experiments have been made, and wherever it has been tried under a judicious teacher—I admit it is capable of abuse—it makes history and geography and the great world round the children a very much more real thing to them than it can be made in any other way.

All education authorities at present are very much smitten with the zeal for economy—a false zeal in many instances—and one of the ways in which that zeal has exemplified itself has been in refusing to allow any extension of educational initiative and enterprise which entails any large sum of money. Although it is a small matter to the Treasury—in fact we were rather scoffed at in Committee and told that the the repeal of the whole of the cinema films duty would only result in a saving to the cinema industry of some £271,000—these irritating additions to the cost make such extensions of the use of the cinema as I am pleading for almost impossible because people look at the very last penny they have to spend in these ways. If we could point to the fact that the cost of the films was reduced I am sure in a good many districts where it is not allowed at present the use of the cinema in the schools would be very considerably extended. In view of the necessity of our rearing a race of people who shall have something more than the narrow vision they get from a mere study of the parish in which they live, we should do all we can to encourage them to get accurate information of the great world of which this, country forms no unimportant part. If we can in this way bring these places and events clearly before the child's mind during its impressionable years we shall do a great deal more towards getting a really Imperial people than anything we can do when they have arrived at man's estate with their minds always dwarfed and stunted by the things which have happened to them in the earlier years of their life. This is a small matter as far as the Treasury is concerned but, as a great human matter, I doubt if there are any things discussed on the Budget which may have a greater influence on the course of our history in years to come than in opening up to the child life of the country, as we should through this Amendment, greater opportunities for understanding something of those parts of the world which they can never hope to get in touch with during their impressionable years.


I beg to second the Amendment.

Having had a good deal to do with teaching in elementary schools, I assure the right hon. Gentleman that there is very much involved in this which might be of great benefit to the education of the Country. A common form of criticism against the cinema, rightly or wrongly, is that its films make an appeal to the lower nature rather than to the moral influence of the children, and it seems to me to be highly desirable that in regard to films of an educational character we should have a special form of exemption for them so that the new experiments which are being introduced into our schools up and down the land can be adopted with very much greater freeom and more universally than is the case at present. After all, a large number of the children in our elementary schools will probably be denied an opportunity of obtaining firsthand acquaintance with the institutions of foreign countries and the mode of life of people abroad, and if this exemption were granted, the educational films would be of vast importance in bringing home to the child, by way of eye training, the institutions and also the forms of life which prevail in various parts of the world. Children learn very much more through the eye than perhaps in any other way, and it is of vital importance to the teacher that this adjunct to his work might be open to him so that the children might find the school not so much a drudgery and more a pleasure in the future than it has been in the past.


I have listened to the speeches of the hon. Member for Mitcham (Mr. Ede) with much interest, and I am certain of his strong zeal for education. I am sure he will hear my observations on the other side and credit me also with the desire to do the best I can for education. Honestly, and from strong conviction, I am not in favour of the introduction of the cinematograph as part of the ordinary machinery of our schools. I am sure it is open to a number of objections. There are certain physical objections of a sort, which I think the hon. Member will agree are possible. The over-use of the cinematograph is certainly not good for the eyesight of young children. It often produces very bad effects. Besides that the whole psychological and intellectual effect of these cinematographs is a matter of which I have very grave doubt. We have a faculty innate in us, and that is the faculty of imagination, which may best be fed, not by looking at pictures passed rapidly over a film, but by the observation of nature itself. I am sure there is a certain amount in these cinematograph shows that rather dulls and stultifies the imagination and prevents children from giving that accuracy of personal observation and seeking out the objects of that personal observation, which is a great part of that self education which enters into the life of children. I have very often seen cinematograph shows of the hunting of wild animals. That has impressed me as one of the very worst influences which could be brought before a boy. In the pursuit of these animals the pain inflicted is not accompanied by the one thing which is a redeeming point in actual sport, that is, personal danger and personal daring and courage. He sits quietly in an armchair and watches these exciting things. He is put into an entirely wrong position, from which it is very difficult to make an escape.

Let these popular shows, which are called by a silly Greek word, be popular. Let people throng to the pictures and get all the advantages of drama and more intellectual ways of entertainment, but, above all things, do not let us introduce one more fad into our schools. Let us keep the curriculum of our schools simple. If the Financial Secretary to the Treasury is so impressed by these appeals that he encourages this sort of thing in the schools, one thing introduces another and another form of entertainment will be introduced as an accompaniment, and that also will be borrowed from the theatre or some entertainment which will be said to have an educational effect and intention, and he will be asked to exempt it from taxation. Too often in our zeal for vocational education we have turned the schools into a bad imitation of the workshop. Do not let us turn the schools into a bad imitation of the picture show. Let the schools keep to their own work, and do not let appeals be made to the Treasury to give exemption to a form of entertainment which is ill-fitted to be used inside the schools, and which would he a rival to the picture show.


I would remind hon. Members that we are not now discussing the Education Estimates.

Major-General Sir R. HUTCHISON

Notwithstanding what has been said by the right hon. Baronet the Member for the Scottish Universities (Sir H. Craik), who is so learned in educational matters, I think it would be a pity if we drove out of our schools a system of education which has been proved abroad to be of very great advantage. I am certain that anyone who has had experience in teaching young persons and people who are uneducated will admit that the cinematograph is a tremendous advantage and power in education. Education through the eye has been proved to be an advance on education through the brain. I have had great experience in instructing young soldiers in various matters, and I have found that they take up things like geography, and instruction in arms much more quickly through the eye than through the brain. I do beg of the Financial Secretary to give some consideration in regard to this educational agent which has been proved to be such a great success abroad. If we in this country adhere to the old methods we shall be dropping behind the advanced education of which other countries are making use. These films which are produced for educational purposes are of no great value from the point of view of shows for amusement, and if the Financial Secretary reduces or removes the duty on these educational films he will only deprive the country of a very small revenue. I hope that he will see his way to grant this very small concession.


I am not an education expert and I do not propose to approach this matter from the point of view of the education expert but from the revenue point of view. I promised the hon. Member for Mitcham (Mr. Ede) that I would carefully consider whether anything could be done, and I wrote to him about it. The difficulty is how it could be done. The Amendment proposes to exempt imported films. It does not apply to British films of an educational character. The hon. Member wants to get foreign films in free. They are to be exempted from duty if the films are wholly of an educational character, or if they are imported wholly for educational purposes. That would involve an examination of the films twice over by the Customs to see whether or not they were of a wholly educational character. That is rather a difficult censorship to put on an officer of my Department. If the films are not of a wholly educational character but are imported wholly for educational purposes, it would involve following the films all over the country to see whether they were used wholly for educational purposes.

The reason why we cannot accept this Amendment is because of the utter impossibility of carrying it out. It is not that we object to educational films. The result from the practical point of view, and the Customs point of view, is that we cannot work the Amendment if the House passes it. Last night the House very considerably extended the provision to exempt films which are of British production. Take the Mount Everest film, which is considered of an educational character, showing the geography of a great part of India to our school children. That film is now admitted at the reduced rate of one-third of a penny per foot under the provisions already in existence, and extended last night. That should satisfy the House that if any British producer cares to go to India or Central Africa or elsewhere, and if he comes within the very wide terms of the Amendment accepted last night, the duty, instead of being 5d. per foot, would be reduced to the almost nominal sum of one-third of a penny per foot. On the ground that it is impossible to carry it out, and that educational films produced here or produced abroad by British producers can come in for very small sums, I hope the House will not spend very much further time on this Amendment.


I hope the House will not be led away from the Amendment by the ingenious argument advanced by the Financial Secretary. Naturally, he is anxious to safeguard his Department as far as possible from the onus of being called upon to determine whether or not a film is educational in character. There exists a very efficient body called the British Board of Film Censors, and there is no reason whatever why he should not place on that body the question of settling whether or not a film is wholly educational in character. He mentioned the fact that by a decision of the House last night such films as the Mount Everest film would be admitted at a reduced rate. That is something, but it is not all that we want. We want educational films admitted free of duty, and it is proper that they should be admitted free of duty. So far as the right hon. Gentleman's contention went as to the wording of the Amendment, would he accept it if it read: Insert the words except the duties on cinematograph films of a wholly educational character, and the words "or imported wholly for educational purposes" wert left out? I do not think the latter words are essential. If he accepted the Amendment in that form and left with the British Board of Film Censors the task of censorship—It is all very well for the right hon. Gentleman to turn off that suggestion with a suggestion of contempt. It is a responsible body, created by this House.




It was enacted by the Government. [HON. MEMBERS: "No."] It is responsible to the Government.


The hon. and gallant Member is suggesting to me that I should import the British Board of Film Censors into the Customs to decide whether or not these films are of an educational character. That is impossible. I have the greatest respect for the British Board of Film Censors, but they are not an official body in any sense.


It would be a perfectly simple matter to make them an official body for this purpose. If the will is there, the reform can be carried out. It is all very well to make an excuse. If the right hon. Gentleman wished to give effect to this very reasonable Amendment he could very easily devise machinery to carry it into effect. With respect to the considerations put forward by the right hon. Member for the Scottish Universities (Sir H. Craik), I would, most deferentially, because we all respect the opinions and attainments of the right hon. Member, recall to his mind the fact that geography teaching in the schools when I was a boy, and perhaps when he was a boy, was long and deadly dull. I do not think the geography lessons when he was a boy were very much more interesting than when I was a boy.


Look at the result.


They were one long dull yarn. A very great deal can be done through the eye by means of cinematography in the teaching of geography. You can bring home to the mind of the child or of the adult—adult education is a thing in which we are all interested nowadays—all the various countries, not only of our Empire, but of the other great countries of the world. It is highly important from the point of view of trade that that should be so. When the right hon. Gentleman says that the student should learn from observation of nature, I would remind him that that is all very well when you have access to nature.


Does this come within the terms of your ruling, Mr. Speaker, as to education?


I asked hon. Members not to discuss the Education Estimates. We are now on the Finance Bill.


I beg pardon. I was led away by the arguments advanced by the right hon. Gentleman. The Prime Minister, on a recent festive occasion, spoke of the importance of training through the eye, and I hope the Financial Secretary will do something to give effect to that training in the schools. I hope he will reconsider his decision. If the Amendment is put in the way I have suggested, and, if not, I hope the Mover will press it to a Division.

5.0 P. M.


Three years ago I was concerned with other hon. Members in dealing with a Bill for the blind, and the experience we obtained through an hon. Baronet, a Member of this House, a great medical authority, together with other authorities, led us to consider the bearing of cinematography upon the sight of children. The sole reason why I shall support the right hon. Gentleman is because of the effect on my mind of the evidence which we had of the deleterious effect upon the sight of children caused by an invention not yet perfected as the cinema. We obtained in those days—there may have been great advance since then—figures dealing with blindness and defective sight in child life from Germany, United States of America and France, and it was shown that cinemas had a most hurtful effect on the sight of young children. It was proved then and I think even at this time also that the facilities for cinema education in class rooms and in educational establishments are by no means adequate, and have a detrimental bearing on the nerves and the sight of the children. The presentation of a proper, helpful and most rapid system of education by the cinema is, I believe, a great possibility, but only in properly constructed schools and with highly perfected apparatus.

This is most vital—and I speak with some little knowledge of the subject, because I have been a member of a national Committee dealing with defective children. It is a serious matter how we are going to give facilities for a not yet perfected invention, but still a useful one, in the presentation of educational matters to the child. Anything we can do in respect to this matter of education to compel those who deal with the same to give representations of the very highest type we ought to do. But again I emphasize that until the cinema proprietors and the science of education by the cinema has obtained such a degree of excellence that it cannot, in any degree, be held to spoil or depreciate the sight, or adversely to influence the nerves and the work of the child, I, for one, will not support anything which would make it easy to get any kind of cinema introduced into schools. I therefore oppose this ill-considered Amendment which, I respectfully assert, widens the cinema presentation in the schools cinemas which at present are not in any shape or fashion prepared to give the films perfectly in schoolrooms. I shall support, in the Division Lobby, my right hon. Friend in opposition to the Amendment.

Captain W. BENN

I hope that the hon. Gentleman who moved this Amendment will press it to a Division. I listened with amazement to the speech of the hon. Member for Royton (Sir W. Sugden), and not so much with amazement, but, certainly, with complete disagreement, to that of the right hon. Baronet the Member for the Scottish Universities (Sir H. Craik). This is an educational Amendment. It is an Amendment to remove one tax on education, imposed by the previous Government and by this Government. Books and instruments are taxed, and now another means of taxation has been found, which this Amendment proposes to remove. The only argument which has been adduced against the Amendment is that the cinema is injurious to the sight.


Yes, and the type of schoolroom also.

Captain BENN

I imagine that if the hon Baronet the Member for the Scottish Universities had sat in the House in the days of Caxton, he would have made an energetic protest against the introduction of printing, on the ground that it would injure the sight of those who learned perfectly well by word of mouth.

This is a perfectly good Amendment. It is good in that it helps to destroy a bad tax. It is and Amendment against which no argument has been put forward, and I hope it will be pressed to a Division.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 156; Noes, 247.

Division No. 265.] AYES. [5.5 p.m.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Francis Dyke Harney, E. A. Rae, Sir Henry N.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Hay, Captain J. P. (Cathcart) Rees, Sir Beddoe
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Hayday, Arthur Richards, R.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Hayes, John Henry (Edge Hill) Riley, Ben
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (N'castle, E.) Ritson, J.
Attlee, C. R. Henderson, Sir T. (Roxburgh) Roberts, C. H. (Derby)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Herriotts, J. Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich
Barnes, A. Hill, A. Robertson, J. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar (Banff) Hillary, A. E. Royce, William Stapleton
Batey, Joseph Hinds, John Salter, Dr. A.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Hirst, G. H. Scrymgeour, E.
Bennett, A. J. (Mansfield) Hodge, Rt. Hon. John Sexton, James
Berkeley, Captain Reginald Hutchison, Sir R. (Kirkcaldy) Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Bonwick, A. Irving, Dan Shaw, Thomas (Preston)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Johnstone, Harcourt (Willesden, East) Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Bromfield, William Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Simpson, J. Hope
Brown, James, (Ayr and Bute) Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Sinclair, Sir A.
Buckie, J. Jones, R. T. (Carnarvon) Sitch, Charles H.
Burgess, S. Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Smith, T. (Pontefract)
Burnie, Major J. (Bootle) Jowett, F. W. (Bradford, East) Snell, Harry
Butler, J. R. M. (Cambridge Univ.) Kenyon, Barnet Spears, Brig.-Gen. E. L.
Buxton, Charles (Accrington) Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) Lansbury, George Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Chapple, W. A. Lawson, John James Strauss, Edward Anthony
Charleton, H. C. Leach, W. Sullivan, J.
Clarke, Sir E. C. Lee, F. Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lees-Smith, H. B. (Keighley Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West)
Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Linfield, F. C. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Collins, Pat (Walsall) Lunn, William Thornton, M.
Darbishire, C. W. McCurdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A. Turner, Ben
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) MacDonald, J. R. (Aberavon) Wallhead, Richard C.
Dudgeon, Major C. R. Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Duffy, T. Gavan M'Entee, V. L. Warne, G. H.
Dunnico, H. Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Ede, James Chuter Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Edge, Captain Sir William March, S. Webb, Sidney
Edmonds, G. Marks, Sir George Croydon Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Marshall, Sir Arthur H. Weir, L. M.
England, Lieut.-Colonel A. Martin, F. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, E.) Welsh, J. C.
Evans, Ernest (Cardigan) Middleton, G. Westwood, J.
Foot, Isaac Millar, J. D. White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Gosling, Harry Morel, E. D. Whiteley, W.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Williams, David (Swansea, E.)
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) Murnin, H. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Greenall, T. O'Grady, Captain James Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Oliver, George Harold Wintringham, Margaret
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Paling, W. Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Parker, H. (Hanley) Wright, W.
Groves, T. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Young, Rt. Hon. E. H. (Norwich)
Grundy, T. W. Pattinson, S. (Horncastle) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Ponsonby, Arthur
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) Potts, John S. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Hardie, George D. Pringle, W. M. R. Mr. Morgan Jones and Mr.
Frederick Hall.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Baird, Rt. Hon. Sir John Lawrence Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake)
Ainsworth, Captain Charles Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Bennett, Sir T. J. (Sevenoaks)
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton, East) Balfour, George (Hampstead) Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish.
Alexander, Col. M. (Southwark) Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G. Berry, Sir George
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Barlow, Rt. Hon. Sir Montague Betterton, Henry B.
Apsley, Lord Barnett, Major Richard W. Bird, Sir William B. M. (Chichester)
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Wilfrid W. Barnston, Major Harry Blundell, F. N.
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. Becker, Harry Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W.
Astor, Viscountess Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Boyd-Carpenter, Major A.
Brass, Captain W. Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon. W. E. Parker, Owen (Kettering)
Brassey, Sir Leonard Gwynne, Rupert S. Pease, William Edwin
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Pennefather, De Fonblanque
Briggs, Harold Halstead, Major D. Penny, Frederick George
Brittain, Sir Harry Hamilton, Sir George C. (Altrincham) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Brown, Major D. C. (Hexham) Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. Clifton (Newbury) Harrison, F. C. Perring, William George
Buckingham, Sir H. Harvey, Major S. E. Pielou, D. P.
Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Hawke, John Anthony Pilditch, Sir Philip
Burn, Colonel Sir Charles Rosdew Hay, Major T. W. (Norfolk, South) Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Burney, Com. (Middx., Uxbridge) Henn, Sir Sydney H. Privett, F. J.
Butcher, Sir John George Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Raine, W.
Butler, H. M. (Leeds, North) Hewett, Sir J. P. Rawlinson, Rt. Hon. John Fredk. Peel
Cadogan, Major Edward Hiley, Sir Ernest Rawson, Lieut.-Com. A. C.
Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Reid, D. D. (County Down)
Cautley, Henry Strother Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Remnant, Sir James
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Hood, Sir Joseph Rentoul, G. S.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hopkins, John W. W. Reynolds, W. G. W.
Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Houfton, John Plowright Rhodes, Lieut.-Col. J. P.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Howard, Capt. D. (Cumberland, N.) Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Chapman, Sir S. Howard-Bury, Lieut.-Col. C. K. Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Churchman, Sir Arthur Hughes, Collingwood Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford)
Clarry, Reginald George Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Roberts, Rt. Hon. Sir S. (Ecclesall)
Clayton, G. C. Hurd, Percy A. Robertson-Despencer, Major (Islgtn, W.)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Hutchison, G. A. C. (Midlothian, N.) Roundell, Colonel R. F.
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Hutchison, W. (Kelvingrove) Ruggles-Brise, Major E.
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. Russell, William (Bolton)
Colfox, Major Wm. Phillips Jackson, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. F. S. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Sanderson, Sir Frank B.
Conway, Sir W. Martin Jenkins, W. A. (Brecon and Radnor) Sandon, Lord
Cope, Major William Jephcott, A. R. Shepperson, E. W.
Cory, Sir J. H. (Cardiff South) Jodrell, Sir Neville Paul Simpson-Hinchliffe, W. A.
Craig, Capt. C. C. (Antrim, South) Joynson-Hicks, Sir William Skelton, A. N.
Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Croft, Lieut.-Colonel Henry Page Kennedy, Captain M. S. Nigel Somerville, Daniel (Barrow-in-Furness)
Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) King, Captain Henry Douglas Spender-Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H.
Curzon, Captain Viscount Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Steel, Major S. Strang
Dalziel, Sir D (Lambeth, Brixton) Lamb, J. Q. Stockton, Sir Edwin Forsyth
Davidson, J. C. C. (Hemel Hempstead) Lever, Sir Arthur L. Stott, Lt.-Col. W. H.
Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln) Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Davies, Thomas (Cirencester) Lorden, John William Sugden, Sir Wilfrid H.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Lorimer, H. D. Sutherland, Rt. Hon. Sir William
Dawson, Sir Philip Lort-Williams, J. Terrell, Captain R. (Oxford, Henley)
Dixon, Capt. H. (Belfast, E.) Lowe, Sir Francis William Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Dixon, C. H. (Rutland) Loyd, Arthur Thomas (Abingdon) Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Doyle, N. Grattan Lumley, L. R. Titchfield, Marquess of
Du Pre, Colonel William Baring Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Edmondson, Major A. J. McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) Tubbs, S. W.
Ednam, Viscount Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- Turton, Edmund Russborough
Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark) Makins, Brigadier-General E. Wallace, Captain E.
Ellis, R. G. Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)
Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Margesson, H. D. R. Waring, Major Walter
Erskine-Bolst, Captain C. Martin, A. E. (Essex, Romford) Warner, Sir T. Courtenay T.
Evans, Capt. H. Arthur (Leicester, E.) Mason, Lieut.-Col. C. K. Watts, Dr. T. (Man., Withington)
Falcon, Captain Michael Mercer, Colonel H. Wells, S. R.
Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfray Milne, J. S. Wardlaw Weston, Colonel John Wakefield
Fawkes, Major F. H. Mitchell, W. F. (Saffron Walden) Wheler, Col. Granville C. H.
Fermor-Hesketh, Major T. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) White, Lt.-Col. G. D. (Southport)
Flanagan, W. H. Molloy, Major L. G. S. Whitla, Sir William
Ford, Patrick Johnston Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C. Wilson, Col. M. J. (Richmond)
Forestier-Walker, L. Moreing, Captain Algernon H. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Fraser, Major Sir Keith Morrison, Hugh (Wilts, Salisbury) Wise, Frederick
Furness, G. J. Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) Wolmer, Viscount
Ganzoni, Sir John Murchison, C. K. Wood, Rt. Hon. Edward. F. L. (Ripon)
Gardiner, James Newman, Colonel J. R. P. (Finchley) Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, West)
Garland, C. S. Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Wood, Major Sir S. Hill-(High Peak)
Gates, Percy Newson, Sir Percy Wilson Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Gaunt, Rear-Admiral Sir Guy R. Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Nicholson, Brig.-Gen. J. (Westminster) Yate, Colonel Sir Charles Edward
Goff, Sir R. Park Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Yerburgh, R. D. T.
Gould, James C. Nield, Sir Herbert
Greaves-Lord, Walter Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Greene, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Hackn'y, N.) Oman, Sir Charles William C. Colonel Leslie Wilson and Colonel
Greenwood, William (Stockport) O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Hugh Gibbs.
Gretton, Colonel John Paget, T. G.