HC Deb 19 June 1922 vol 155 cc923-9

In lieu of the duties of Customs payable on cocoa imported into Great Britain or Ireland there shall, subject to the provisions of Section eight of the Finance Act, 1919, be charged, levied and paid as from the fifteenth day of May, nineteen hundred and twenty-two, the following reduced duties, that is to say:

£ s. d.
Cocoa, the cwt. 1 8 0
Cocoa (husks and shells), the cwt. 0 4 0
Cocoa-butter, the lb. 0 0 3

Provided that in the application of this Section to any duty charged on manufactured or prepared goods under Section seven of the Finance Act, 1901, the first day of July, nineteen hundred and twenty-two, shall be substituted for the fifteenth day of May, nineteen hundred red and twenty-two.


I beg to move to leave out "£1 8s. 0d.," and to insert instead thereof "£1 3s. 4d."

The intention was that this Amendment should be taken following a general discussion on a previous Amendment. I wish now merely to make a protest against the conspiracy of silence on the Treasury Bench. There have been 11 speeches from this side of the Committee since the learned Solicitor-General spoke, and I submit that arguments of some weight have been addressed to the Committee, and, although the Debate has gone on for 1½ hours, yet there

has not been any response whatever from the Government side. A matter of importance like this deserves more consideration, and even if speeches be made by back benchers they call for some reply.


The last. thing I to do is to be guilty of any discourtesy to any section of Members.


It was not the right hon. Gentleman who was at fault, for he made his speech; but after he had gone the Committee was left for l hours without anyone else speaking.


I think the hon. Member will probably exonerate me for what happened when I was not here. I heard the last speech which preceded the Division just taken, and I felt that the only answer possible—probably an imperfect one—was substantially what. I had said on the first Amendment on the Tea Duty Clause. Feeling that I had attempted to cover the ground indicated in the last speech, I thought it would be discourteous for me to repeat what I had already said.

Question put., "That '£1 8s. 0d.' stand part of the Clause."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 171; Noes, 79.

Division No. 144.] AYES. [8.24 p.m.
Adkins, Sir William Ryland Dent Barwick, Major G. O. Cheyne, Sir William Watson
Aug-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith- Churchman, Sir Arthur
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Bowyer, Captain G. W. E. Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Spender
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Clough, Sir Robert
Atkey, A. R. Breese, Major Charles E. Cobb, Sir Cyril
Baird, Sir John Lawrence Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Cohen, Major J. Brunel
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Briggs, Harold Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale
Banner, Sir John S. Harmood Broad, Thomas Tucker Davies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.)
Barnett, Major Richard W. Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander Harry
Barrand, A. R. Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. Doyle, N. Grattan
Bartley-Denniss, Sir Edmund Robert Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. Du Pre, Colonel William Baring
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Carr, W. Theodore Edgar, Clifford B.
Bellairs, Commander Canyon W. Carter, R. A. D. (Man., Withington) Edge, Captain Sir William
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W) Casey, T. W. Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon)
Bird, Sir William R. M. (Chichester) Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm.,W.) Elliott, Lt.-Col. Sir G. (Islington,w.)
Blair, Sir Reginald Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood) Evans, Ernest
Eyres-Monsell, Com. Bolton M. Kellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. George Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Fell, Sir Arthur Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham) Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Flannery, Sir James Fortescue Kidd, James Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Foreman, Sir Henry Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Forestier-Walker, L. Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale) Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford)
Forrest, Walter Lloyd, George Butler Rodger, A. K.
Fraser, Major Sir Keith Lorden, John William Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. M'Curdy, Rt. Hon. Charles A. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Ganzoni, Sir John M'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Gardner, Ernest Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachle) Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur
Gee, Captain Robert McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir John Macleod, J. Mackintosh Scott, Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Goff, Sir R. Park McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Magnus, Sir Philip Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Gregory, Holman Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) Simm, M. T.
Craig, Colonel Sir James William Manville, Edward Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)
Gritten, W. G. Howard Middlebrook, Sir William Stanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)
Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Mitchell, Sir William Lane Steel, Major S. Strang
Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) M arcing, Captain Algernon H. Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Hamilton, Major Sir C. G. C. Murchison, C. K. Sturrock, J. Leng
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Murray, C. D. (Edinburgh) Sugden, W. H.
Haslam, Lewis Murray, John (Leeds, West) Surtees, Brigadier-General H. C.
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Neal, Arthur Sutherland, Sir William
Hennessy, Major.J. R. G. Newson, Sir Percy Wilson Sykes, Sir Charles (Huddersfield)
Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Taylor, J.
Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank Nield, Sir Herbert Thornton, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Hills, Major John Waller Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill)
Hinds, John Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John Tryon, Major George Clement
Hood, Sir Joseph Pain, Brig.-Gen. Sir W. Hacket Turton, Edmund Russborough
Hope, Sir H. (Stirling & Cl'ckm'nn, W.) Parker, James Wallace, J.
Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian) Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry Warren, Sir Alfred H.
Hopkins, John W. W. Pearce, Sir William Williams, C. (Tavistock)
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Moseley) Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike Wilson, Rt. Hon. Col. L. O. (R'ding)
Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Winfrey, Sir Richard
Horne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead) Perring, William George Wise, Frederick
Hunter.-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Wolmer, Viscount
Hurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B. Pollock, Rt. Hon. Sir Ernest Murray Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Inskip, Thomas Walker H. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Wood. Sir J. (Stalybridge and Hyde)
Jephcott, A. R. Pratt, John William Worsfold, T. Cato
Jodrell, Neville Paul Preston, Sir W. R.
Johnson, Sir Stanley Prescott, Major Sir W. H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Rae, Sir Henry N. Mr. Dudley Ward and Colonel Gibbs.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Grundy, T. W. Rose, Frank H.
Ammon, Charles George Guest, J. (York, W.R., Hemsworth) Royce, William Stapleton
Banton, George Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Sexton, James
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Shaw, Thomas (Preston)
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) Hayday, Arthur Sitch, Charles H.
Barton, Sir William (Oldham) Hayward, Evan Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk) Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Spencer, George A.
Bramsdon, Sir Thomas Hirst, G. H. Spoor, B. G.
Briant, Frank Hodge, Rt. Hon. John Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Bromfield, William Hogge, James Myles Sutton, John Edward
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Holmes, J. Stanley Swan, J. E.
Cairns, John John, William (Rhondda, West) Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Cape, Thomas Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield) Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Tillett, Benjamin
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) Lawson. John James Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lunn, William Waterson, A. E.
Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities) Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col, D.
Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Davies, Alfred Thomas (Lincoln) Maclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian) White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) Mills, John Edmund Wignall, James
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Entwistle, Major C. F. Newbould, Alfred Ernest Wilson, James (Dudley)
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Poison, Sir Thomas A. Wintringham, Margaret
Galbraith, Samuel Raffan, Peter Wilson Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Gillis, William Richardson. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Robertson, John TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. T. Thomson and Mr. Foot.

Motion made, and Question proposed, ''That the Clause stand part of the Bill."


I oppose this on-the same lines as those on which I opposed Clause 1. The arguments that-were pertinent to the rejection of that Clause are equally pertinent in the present case. The main ground on which I move the rejection of the Clause—


The question is that the Clause as a whole stand part, and the hon. Member can vote against that.


I should have said that I am speaking against the acceptance of the Clause as a whole by the Committee. I merely remind the Committee of the objections which I brought forward in the case of Clause 1. They apply equally to this Clause. We want a free breakfast table, and I hope Mem-

bers of the Government will join with Members of the Opposition in giving the people a free breakfast table.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 180: Noes, 71.

Division No. 145.] AYES. [8.30 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham Pearce, Sir William
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel Sir John Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike
Armitage, Robert Golf, Sir R. Park Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick W. Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Perring, William George
Atkey, A. R. Gregory, Holman Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles
Baird, Sir John Lawrence Greig, Colonel Sir James William Pollock, Rt. Hon. Sir Ernest Murray
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Gritten, W. G. Howard Poison, Sir Thomas A.
Banner, Sir John S. Harmood- Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Barnett, Major Richard W. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Pratt, John William
Barrand, A. R. Hamilton, Major Sir C. G. C. Preston, Sir W. R.
Bartley-Denniss, Sir Edmund Robert Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Prescott, Major Sir W. H.
Bell, Lieut.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Harmsworth, Hon. E. C. (Kent) Rae, Sir Henry N.
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Haslam, Lewis Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Remer, J. R.
Bird, Sir William B. M. (Chichester) Hennessy, Major J. R. G. Richardson, Sir Alex. (Gravesend)
Blair, Sir Reginald Herbert, Dennis (Hertford. Watford) Richardson, Lt.-Col. Sir P. (Chertsey)
Blake, Sir Francis Douglas Hilder, Lieut.-Colonel Frank Roberts, Rt. Hon. G. H. (Norwich)
Barwick, Major G. O. Hills, Major John Waller Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford)
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith- Hinds, John Rodger, A. K.
Bowyer, Captain G. W. E. Hood, Sir Joseph Roundell, Colonel R. F.
Breese, Major Charles E. Hope, Sir H.(Stirling & C'ckm'nn,W.) Rutherford, Sir W. W. (Edge Hill)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian) Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Briggs, Harold Hopkins, John W. W. Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Broad, Thomas Tucker Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster. Mossley) Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert Arthur
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Buckley, Lieut.-Colonel A. Horne, Sir R. S. (Glasgow, Hillhead) Scott. Sir Leslie (Liverp'l, Exchange)
Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer Seddon, J. A.
Carr, W. Theodore Hurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B. Shaw, Hon. Alex. (Kilmarnock)
Carter, R. A. D. (Man., Withington) Inskip, Thomas Walker H. Shaw, William T. (Forfar)
Casey, T. W. Jephcott, A. R. Simm, M. T.
Chamberlain, Rt. H n. J. A. (Birm. W.) Jodrell, Neville Paul Smith, Sir Allan M. (Croydon, South)
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood) Johnson, Sir Stanley Smith, Sir Harold (Warrington)
Cheyne, Sir William Watson Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Stanley, Major Hon. G. (Preston)
Churchman, Sir Arthur Kellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. George Steel, Major S. Strang
Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Spender Kelley, Major Fred (Rotherham) Stephenson, Lieut.-Colonel H. K.
Clough, Sir Robert Kidd, James Sturrock, J. Leng
Cobb, Sir Cyril King, Captain Henry Douglas Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Law, Alfred J. (Rochdale) Sugden, W. H.
Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale Lloyd, George Butler Surtees, Brigadier-General H. C.
Davies, Sir William H. (Bristol, S.) Lorden, John William Sutherland, Sir William
Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander Harry M'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P. Sykes, Sir Charles (Huddesfield)
Doyle, N. Grattan McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Taylor, J.
Du Pre, Colonel William Baring Magnus, Sir Philip Terrell. George (Wilts, Chippenham)
Edgar, Clifford B. Mallalieu, Frederick William Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Edge, Captain Sir William Malone, Major P. B. (Tottenham, S.) Thomson, Sir W. Mitchell- (Maryhill)
Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) Manville, Edward Tryon, Major George Clement
Elliott, Lt.-Col. Sir G. (Islington, W.) Middlebrook, Sir William Turton, Edmund Russborough
Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Mitchell, Sir William Lane Wallace, J.
Evans, Ernest Moreing, Captain Algernon H. Walters, Fit. Hon. Sir John Tudor
Eyres-Monsell, Corn. Bolton M. Murchison, C. K. Ward, William Dudley (Southampton)
Fell, Sir Arthur Murray, C. D. (Edinburgh) Warren, Sir Alfred H.
Flannery, Sir James Fortescue Murray, John (Leeds, West) Williams, C. (Tavistock)
Foreman, Sir Henry Neal, Arthur Willoughby, Lieut.-Col. Hon. Claud
Forestier-Walker, L. Newson, Sir Percy Wilson Wise, Frederick
Forrest, Walter Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) Wolmer, Viscount
France, Gerald Ashburner Nield, Sir Herbert Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Fraser, Major Sir Keith Norris, Colonel Sir Henry G. Wood, Sir J. (Stalybridge & Hyde)
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Norton.-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John Worsfold, T. Cato
Ganzoni, Sir John Pain, Brig.-Gen. Sir W. Hacket
Gardner, Ernest Parker, James TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Gee, Captain Robert Parry, Lieut.-Colonel Thomas Henry Colonel Leslie Wilson and Mr. McCurdy.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Bell, James (Lancaster, Ormskirk) Cairns, John
Banton, George Bramsdon, Sir Thomas Cape, Thomas
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Briant, Frank Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield)
Barnes. Major H. (Newcastle, E.) Bromfield, William. Davies, A. (Lancaster, Clitheroe)
Barton, Sir William (Oldham) Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Davison, J. E. (Smethwick)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Lawson, John James Swan, J. E.
Entwistle, Major C. F. Lunn, William Thomas, Rt. Hon. lames H. (Derby)
Foot, Isaac Lyle-Samuel, Alexander Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, West)
Galbraith, Samuel Maclean, Rt. Hn. Sir D. (Midlothian) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Gillis, William Mills, John Edmund Tillett, Benjamin
Graham, W. (Edinburgh, Central) Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross) Walsh, Stephen (Lancaster, Ince)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Newbould, Alfred Ernest Waterson, A. E.
Grundy, T. W. Raffan, Peter Wilson Watts-Morgan, Lieut.-Col. D.
Guest, J. (York, W.R., Hemsworth) Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Hall, F. (York, W.A., Normanton) Roberts, Frederick O. (W. Bromwich) White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Heyday, Arthur Robertson, John Wignall, James
Hayward, Evan Rose, Frank H. Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Widnes) Royce, William Stapleton Wilson, James (Dudley)
Hirst, G. H. Sexton, James Wintringham, Margaret
Hodge, Rt. Hon. John Shaw, Thomas (Preston) Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Hogge, James Myles Sitch, Charles H. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Holmes,.J. Stanley Smith, W. R. (Wellingborough)
John, William (Rhondda, West) Spencer, George A. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Spoor, B. G. Mr. Ammon and Mr. Neil Maclean.
Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Sutton, John Edward