HC Deb 12 July 1922 vol 156 cc1218-20
41. Captain WEDGWOOD BENN

asked the President of the Board of Trade when and in what form he will give the House the information relating to employment in the industries manufacturing the goods to which it is proposed to apply Orders under Part II of the Safeguarding of Industries Act?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

As the hon. and gallant Member has previously been informed, all available information on this matter is contained in the published Reports of the Committees.

Captain BENN

Do we understand that ex parte statements made before a Committee, without cross-examination and not on oath, are now to be regarded as the official figures relating to the industries?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

No. I do not think that follows at all.

Captain BENN

Did not the hon. Gentleman say that the only official figures are those contained in the Report, and are they not arrived at in the way described?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

The hon. and gallant Gentleman has already been told twice that all the information as to numbers employed in the industries concerned available at the Board of Trade was placed at the disposal of the Committee of Inquiry.

Captain BENN

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the President of the Board of Trade promised to give us the information? Will he do so, and when?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

No. If my hon. and gallant Friend will refer to the answer given by my right hon. Friend, he will see that my right hon. Friend said on 3rd July that he would be only too pleased to give the figures if he had them, but he had not got them.

43. Captain BENN

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, when he laid the Orders under Part II of the Safeguarding of Industries Act before Parliament, he was satisfied that the goods referred to are being sold under the conditions defined in Section 2 of the Act, or merely that they had been sold under such conditions?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

My right hon. Friend was satisfied that the necessary conditions precedent to an Order, as laid down in Sub-sections (1), (2) and (3) of Section 2 of the Act, were fulfilled.

Captain BENN

Is the President of the Board of Trade satisfied that the conditions exist to-day, or is ho only satisfied that they existed last year?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

What the Act requires is that the President of the Board of Trade should be satisfied that the conditions of the Act have been fulfilled.

Major MACKENZIE WOOD

Is it not six months since the inquiry took place and have the conditions not changed materially in that time?

Sir W. MITCHELL-THOMSON

That is a matter which might be usefully raised in Debate.

Major WOOD

Has any inquiry been made to see if conditions have changed?