HC Deb 16 July 1920 vol 131 cc2807-9

Sections 8 and 9 of The Finance Act, 1918, and the Third Schedule to that Act are hereby repealed.—[Lieut.-Commander Ken-worthy.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

I beg to move, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

This is a proposal to repeal the Customs and Excise Duties on sugar. It is a tax which bears very hardly on the poor people.

The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN (Sir E. Cornwall)

It was understood that this question would not be debated at length.

Captain W. BENN

That is so, but I understood that we should be permitted just to state our reasons, and then, as far as we are concerned, there will be no

further Debate after the speech of the Mover.

Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHY

I was not aware that there was any under standing of that nature. We consider that this tax bears very heavily on the poor. Sugar is a food and a necessity for children, and it is becoming more and more a necessity. This tax now places 2¾d. upon every pound of sugar, whereas before the War it was only ¼d. per pound, and the cost of sugar now is from 1s. 2d. to 1s. 4d. per pound. The Sugar Duties bring in about £30,000,000, which will, I suppose, pay about two-thirds of our expenditure this year in Mesopotamia. We feel that we can save the poor the amount of this tax by adopting a different policy, and that is why I am putting forward this new Clause.

Question put, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 40; Noes, 155.

Division No. 222.] AYES. [2.20 p.m.
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) Guest, J. (York, W. R., Hemsworth) Rose, Frank H.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Hallas, Eldred Sexton, James
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Hayday, Arthur Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Brace, Rt. Hon. William Johnstone, Joseph Sitch, Charles H.
Briant, Frank Kellaway, Rt. Hon. Fredk. George Spencer, George A.
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander J. M. Waterson, A. E.
Carter, W. (Nottingham, Mansfield) Macdonald, Rt. Hon. John Murray White, Charles F. (Derby, Western)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R. Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Wignall, James
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) Mills, John Edmund Williams, Aneurin (Durham, Consett)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Morgan, Major D. Watts Wood, Major M. M. (Aberdeen, C.)
Edwards, John H. (Glam., Reath) Murray, Dr. D. (Inverness & Ross)
Galbraith, Samuel O'Grady, Captain James TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Glanville, Harold James Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Mr. G. Thorne and Mr. Tyson Wilson.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Raffan, Peter Wilson
Grundy, T. W. Robertson, John
Adair, Rear-Admiral Thomas B. S. Breese, Major Charles E. Colvin, Brig.-General Richard Beale
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Bridgeman, William Clive Conway, Sir W. Martin
Amery, Lieut.-Col. Leopold C. M. S. Briggs, Harold Cowan, D. M. (Scottish Universities)
Atkey, A. R. Bruton, Sir James Craig, Colonel Sir J. (Down, Mid)
Baird, Sir John Lawrence Buchanan, Lieut.-Colonel A. L. H. Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James Curzon, Commander Viscount
Barnes Rt. Hon. G. (Glas., Gorbals) Burn, Col. C. R. (Devon, Torquay) Davies, Thomas (Cirencester)
Barnston, Major Harry Butcher, Sir John George Dawes, James Arthur
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Campion, Lieut.-Colonel W. R. Dockrell, Sir Maurice
Benn, Capt. Sir I. H., Bart.(Gr'nw'h) Casey, T. W. Edgar, Clifford B.
Betterton, Henry B. Cautley, Henry S. Edge, Captain William
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Chadwick, Sir Robert Edwards, Major J.(Aberavon)
Blair, Reginald Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A.(Birm.,W.) Elliot, Capt. Walter E. (Lanark)
Borwick, Major G. O. Clay, Lieut.-Colonel H. H. Spender Eyres-Monsell, Commander B. M.
Boscawen, Rt. Hon. Sir A. Griffith- Coates, Major Sir Edward F. Fell, Sir Arthur
Bowyer, Captain G. E. W. Coats, Sir Stuart Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.
Brassey, Major H. L. C. Cobb, Sir Cyril Flannery, Sir James Fortescue
Ford, Patrick Johnston Lloyd-Greame, Major Sir P. Sanders, Colonel Sir Robert A.
Foxcroft, Captain Charles Talbot Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Scott, A. M. (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Fraser, Major Sir Keith Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'tingd'n) Shortt, Rt. Hon E. (N'castle-on-T.)
Ganzoni, Captain Francis John C. Lorden, John William Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander
Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham Loseby, Captain C. E. Stanley, Major H. G. (Preston)
Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John Lyle, C. E. Leonard Steel, Major S. Strang
Grant, James A. M'Curdy, Rt. Hon. C. A. Stewart, Gershom
Green, Albert (Derby) M'Donald, Dr. Bouverie F. P. Sturrock, J. Leng
Green, Joseph F. (Leicester, W.) Mackinder, Sir H. J. (Camlachie) Sugden, W. H.
Greenwood, William (Stockport) McLaren, Robert (Lanark, Northern) Surtees, Brigadier-General H. C.
Greig, Colonel James William M'Lean, Lieut.-Col. Charles W. W. Sutherland, Sir William
Guinness, Lieut.-Col. Hon W. E. Macleod, J. Mackintosh Talbot, G. A. (Hemel Hempstead)
Hacking, Captain Douglas H. Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Taylor, J.
Harmsworth, C. B. (Bedford, Luton) McNeill, Ronald (Kent, Canterbury) Terrell, George (Wilts, Chippenham)
Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Macquisten, F. A. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, South)
Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, Yeovil) Mitchell, William Lane Thorpe, Captain John Henry
Herbert Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Molson, Major John Elsdale Ward, Col. L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)
Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon Montagu, Rt. Hon. E. S. Waring, Major Walter
Hinds, John Moore, Major-General Sir Newton J. Watson, Captain John Bertrand.
Hoare, Lieut.-Colonel Sir S. J. G. Morrison-Bell, Major A. E. Whitla, Sir William
Hope, James F. (Sheffield, Central) Mount, William Arthur Wild, Sir Ernest Edward
Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. A. (Midlothian) Murchison, C. K. Williams, Lt.-Com. C. (Tavistock)
Hopkins, John W. W. Neal, Arthur Willoughby, Lieut.-Col. Hon. Claud
Howard, Major S. G. Norton-Griffiths, Lieut.-Col. Sir John Wills, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Gilbert
Hunter, General Sir A. (Lancaster) Ormsby-Gore, Captain Hon. W. Wilson, Colonel Leslie O. (Reading)
Hunter-Weston, Lieut.-Gen. Sir A. G. Palmer, Major Godfrey Mark Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir M. (Bethnal Gn.)
Hurd, Percy A. Perkins, Walter Frank Wood, Hon. Edward F. L. (Ripon)
Hurst, Lieut.-Colonel Gerald B. Philipps, Sir Owen C. (Chester, City) Wood, Sir J. (Stalybridge & Hyde)
James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Pinkham, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Woolcock, William James U.
Jodrell, Neville Paul Pollock, Sir Ernest M. Young, Lieut.-Com. E. H. (Norwich)
Jones, Sir Evan (Pembroke) Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Young, Sir Frederick W. (Swindon)
Jones, J. T. (Carmarthen, Lianelly) Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, East) Young, W. (Perth & Kinross, Perth)
Jones, William Kennedy (Hornsey) Remer, J. R.
King, Commander Henry Douglas Richardson, Alexander (Gravesend) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Law, Rt. Hon. A. B. (Glasgow, C.) Robinson, Sir T. (Lancs., Stretford) Lord E. Talbot and Mr. Dudley Ward.
Lloyd, George Butler Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)