HC Deb 04 June 1919 vol 116 cc2017-9
Sir ROBERT THOMAS

On the suggestion of the Leader of the House, I beg to repeat the question which I put yesterday as to whether the Government are now prepared, in view of what occurred in the other House last week, to agree to set up a Committee of Inquiry in respect of Miss Douglas-Pennant's dismissal?

Mr. BONAR LAW

The Government have given most careful consideration to the opinion expressed by the House of Lords that a Judicial inquiry should be held into the circumstances in which Miss Douglas-Pennant was removed from her appointment under the Air Ministry in August of last year. The Government see no sufficient reason for departing from the decision already taken by them. The responsibility of instituting such an inquiry must rest upon the Government. It would involve a large expenditure of public money, it would be contrary to the general principles of Departmental administration, and it would establish a very undesirable precedent, for if an inquiry were agreed to in regard to this lady, who has great personal influence, it would be difficult to justify the refusal to take a similar course in the case of many others who are not in an equally influential position. In these circumstances His Majesty's Government have decided that they cannot assume the responsibility of setting up this tribunal.

Sir R. COOPER

Is it not a fact that in this case there has been made public the suggestion that there are grave irregularities in this particular Department, and, if that is so, will not the right hon. Gentleman's answer rather confirm the belief, which holds very widely in the public mind, that there is something very bad behind it?

Mr. BONAR LAW

I am not the least afraid of that belief being entertained. The reasons I have given are quite sufficient. If such a precedent were established, I cannot see where it would end.

An HON. MEMBER

Does not the decision of the Government mean that a Minister has the right, in the exercise of his authority, to destroy, set aside, and abrogate entirely the personal rights and safeguards which are given under the Regulations under which people are serving?

Mr. BONAR LAW

It means nothing of the kind, but it does mean that the head of a Government Department, like the head of every other administrative business, must be free to make changes in regard to those who assist him, if for reasons which seem to him good a change is necessary.

Brigadier-General CROFT

Is it not a fact that Miss Douglas-Pennant was not superseded, but was dismissed, which is a very different thing?

Mr. BONAR LAW

I do not think it is possible to argue the question. I believe it was admitted, and Lord Weir made an apology, as to the method in which the decision was announced, but the point goes far beyond that, and it is whether the officer responsible for the Department is justified in making a change.

Sir R. THOMAS

In view of the very unsatisfactory nature of the right hon. Gentleman's reply, and having regard to the very important and even vital letters which have been omitted from the White Paper which has been laid on the Table of the House, letters which affect very materially this case, I beg to ask permission to raise this matter at a quarter-past eight this evening as a matter of definite public importance.

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member has omitted one of the most important words in connection with that Standing Order—namely, the word "urgent."

Sir R. THOMAS

I beg to add that word.

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member can hardly ask me to say that this is an urgent matter, because it has been before the House for the last two or three months, and has been discussed here more than once. Therefore, I could not accept a Motion of that sort as being within the Rule which says these matters must be urgent

Sir R. COOPER

May we give notice that we shall raise this on the Adjournment of the House?

Mr. SPEAKER

Yes, as often as you like.