HC Deb 11 December 1919 vol 122 cc1629-33
Sir D. MACLEAN

Can the Leader of the House tell us what business it is proposed to take to-morrow, what business is to be taken next week, and what Orders of the Day it is proposed to take under the Motion standing in his name relating to business after eleven o'clock to-night?

Mr. BONAR LAW

To-day we propose to take the first six Orders and numbers 9 and 11; to-morrow the Housing Bill, Report and Third Reading, and other Orders; on Monday, the Army and Air Force Estimates and other outstanding Estimates; and on Tuesday any remaining Orders on the Paper, Lords' Amendments, and the Second Reading of the Irish Education Bill I shall be obliged if my right hon. Friend will wait until Monday for the business for the rest of the week.

Mr. E. WOOD

What time does the right hon. Gentleman propose that the House shall rise to-night?

Mr. BONAR LAW

I cannot give any indication, but I hope that it will not be as late as it was this morning.

Captain REDMOND

May I ask the Leader of the House, in view of the statement he has made that the Second Reading of the Irish Education Bill is to be taken on Tuesday, if we are to understand that that means that the Government have dropped their pretence of introducing a Home Rule Bill, and do not intend to proceed with it?

Mr. BONAR LAW

My right hon. Friend does not take that view. I do not think "pretence" is the right word.

Captain REDMOND

"Sham," then!

Mr. BONAR LAW

As a matter of fact, I do not see any connection. In any event, the Home Rule Bill could not come into operation immediately, while the state of education in all parts of Ireland does require an immediate remedy, and in the Bill there are provisions which make it adaptable to the new situation.

Captain REDMOND

Then am I to understand from the right hon. Gentleman's reply that a Bill for the self-government of Ireland is to be introduced, which is not to come into operation immediately?

Mr. BONAR LAW

The hon. Member will, I am sure, see that if it were to come into operation instantly it would upset all our previous beliefs that it is impossible.

Captain REDMOND

Am I, therefore, to take it that the right hon. Gentleman does not intend it should come into operation at all? Is not that the real fact?

Sir D. MACLEAN

Am I right in assuming that the Home Rule Bill, or rather the First Reading, will be taken one day next week?

Mr. BONAR LAW

As the House knows, the Prime Minister cannot be here, on account of the presence of M. Clemenceau, and I would rather any questions on this matter should be addressed to him on Monday.

Captain REDMOND

The cat is out of the bag now!

Mr. E. WOOD

Will the right hon. Gentleman state, for the convenience of Members of the House, whether it is still the intention to rise on the 23rd instant, or is there any ground for the rumour circulated in the Lobby that we shall rise at the end of next week?

Mr. BONAR LAW

It all depends on circumstances over which the Government have no control, not only in this House, but in the other.

Lord R. CECIL

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that very grave dissatisfaction exists at the practice of the Government in taking very important Bills at all night sittings, and may I ask whether, in view of that feeling, he intends to persist with his Motion for the suspension of the eleven o'clock rule to-night in order to enable the Government to commit again this Parliamentary outrage?

Mr. BONAR LAW

I think even if the eleven o'clock rule is suspended it will not be necessary for the House to sit late tonight. If I am wrong, the House will not agree with me, but then I know as well as any other hon. Member that the suspension of the eleven o'clock rule towards the end of the Session is customary. After all, our desire is to meet the general convenience of the House.

Lord R. CECIL

Not by all-night sittings.

Mr. REMER

Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to prevent unnecessary speeches, such as were delivered yesterday?

Dr. MURRAY

Will the right hon. Gentleman take the view of the Minister of Health as to the effect on health of all-night sittings?

Mr. BONAR LAW

After last night's experience I should not consider my right hon. Friend would be impartial.

Major' O'NEILL

Are we to assume that the Irish Education Bill, which is to be taken on Tuesday, is to be taken before or after midnight?

Mr. BONAR LAW

Certainly before, or not at all.

Mr. TYSON WILSON

Is it the intention of the Government to pass the Irish Education Bill through all its stages before the House rises?

Mr. BONAR LAW

That is quite impossible.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government business be exempted at this day's sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Bonar Law.]

The House divided: Ayes, 225; Noes, 75.

Division No. 152.] AYES. [3.56 p.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Carew, Charles R. S. (Tiverton) Doyle, N. Grattan
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Carr, W. T. Duncannon, Viscount
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Elliot, Captain W. E. (Lanark)
Allen, Colonel William James Casey, T. W. Elveden, Viscount
Armitage, Robert Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Aston Manor) Eyras-Monsell, Commander
Astbury, Lieut, Commander F. W. Chadwick, R. Burton Falcon, Captain M.
Astor, Viscountess Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Birm, W.) Falie, Major Sir Bertram Godfrey
Atkey, A. R. Cheyne, Sir William Watson Fell, Sir Arthur
Baldwin, Stanley Child, Brig.-General Sir Hill Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.
Barlow, Sir Montagu (Salford, S.) Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Foreman, H.
Barrand, A. R. Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Forrest, W.
Barrie, Charles Coupar (Banff) Clyde, James Avon Gange, E. S.
Barton, Sir William (Oldham) Coats, Sir Stuart Geddes, Rt. Hon. Sir A. C. (Bas'gst'ke)
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Cockerill, Brig.-General G. K. Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham
Bell, Lt.-Col. W. C. H. (Devizes) Cohen, Major J. B. B. Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John
Bentinck, Lt.-Col. Lord H. Cavendish. Callas, Major W. P. Glyn, Major R.
Betterton, H. B. Colvin, Brig.-General R. B. Goulding, Rt. Hon. Sir E. A.
Birchall, Major J. D. Conway, Sir W. Martin Grant, James Augustus
Bird, Alfred Coote, Colin R. (Isle of Ely) Green J. F. (Leicester)
Blair, Major Reginald Cope, Major W. (Glamorgan) Greene, Lt.-Col. W. (Hackney, N.)
Berwick, Major G. O. Cory, Sir James Herbert (Cardiff) Guest, Maj. Hon. O. (Leic., Loughboro')
Bowyer, G. W. E. Craig, Co. Sir James (Down, Mid.) Guinness, Lt.-Col. Hon. W. E.(B. St. E.)
Breese, Major C. E. Cralk, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Gwynne, R. S.
Bridgeman, William Clive Crooks, Rt. Hon. William Hacking, Colonel D. H.
Broad, Thomas Tucker Davies, Sir D. S. (Denbigh) Hailwood, A.
Bruton, Sir J. Davies, Sir Joseph (Crewe) Hambro, Angus Valdemar
Buchanan, Lieut.-Col. A. L. H. Davies, T. (Cirencester) Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Luton, Beds.)
Burden, Colonel Rowland Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) Harris, Sir H. P. (Paddington, S.)
Burn, T. H. (Belfast) Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington) Haslam, Lewis
Butcher, Sir J. G. Dewhurst, Lieut.-Commander H. Hennessy, Major G.
Campbell, J. G. D. Dixon, Captain H. Henry, Denis S. (Londonderry, S.)
Campion, Colonel W. R Dockrell, Sir M. Herbert, Col. Hon. A. (Yeovil)
Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon Matthews, David Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange)
Hickman, Brig,-General Thomas E. Middlebrook, Sir William Seely, Major-General Rt. Hon. John
Hilder, Lt.-Colonel F. Mitchell, William Lane- Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T., W.)
Hohler, Henry Fitzroy Moles, Thomas Simm, M. T.
Holmes, J. Stanley Molson, Major John Elsdale Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander
Hope, James Fitzalen (Sheffield) Moore-Brabazon, Lt.-Col. J. T. C. Stanley, Col. Hon. G. (Preston)
Hope, John Deans (Berwick) Morrison, H. (Salisbury) Stanton, Charles Butt
Hopkins, J. W. W. Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. Starkey, Capt. John Ralph
Horne, Sir Robert (Hillhead) Mount, William Arthur Stephenson, Colonel H. K.
Houston, Robert Paterson Murchison, C. K. Stewart, Gershom
Hughes, Spencer Leigh Murray, Lt.-Col. Hon. A. C. (Aberdeen) Sturoock, J. Leng
Hunter, Gen. Sir A. (Lancaster) Murray, Maj. C. D. (Edinburgh, S.) Sugden, Lieut. W. H.
Hurd, P. A. Murray, William (Dumfries) Sutherland, Sir William
Hurst, Major G. B. Nall, Major Joseph Talbot, G. A. (Hemel Hempstead)
Inskip, T. W. H. Neal, Arthur Terrell, Capt R. (Henley, Oxford)
Jackson, Lt.-Col. Hon. F. S. (York) Nicholson, W. (Petersfield) Thomas, Sir R. (Wrexham, Denb.)
Jameson, Major J. G. Norman, Major Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Jodrell, N. P. Norton-Griffiths, Lt.-Colonel Sir J. Thomson, Sir W. Mitchelt- (M'yhl.)
Jones, Sir Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Neill, Captain Hon. Robert W. H. Tickler, Thomas George
Kellaway, Frederick George Palmer, Brig.-Gen. G. (Westbury) Tryon, Major George Clement
Kidd, James Parry, Lt.-Colonel Thomas Henry Ward-Jackson, Major C. L.
Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike Ward, Col. J. (Stoke, Trent)
Knights, Captain H. Peel, Col. Hon. S. (Uxbridge, Mddx.) Wardle, George J.
Lane-Fox, Major G. R. Pennefather, De Fonbtanque Waring, Major Walter
Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar Pickering, Col. Emil W. Warren, Sir Alfred H.
Lewis, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Univ., Wales) Pilditch, Sir Philip Wason, John Cathcart
Lewis, T. A. (Pontypridd, Glam.) Pownall, Lt.-Colonel Assheton Weigell, Lt.-Colonei W. E. G. A.
Lister, Sir R. Ashton Pratt, John William Weston, Colonel John W.
Lloyd, George Butler Purchase, H. G. Wheler, Colonel Granville C. H.
Locker-Lampoon, Com. O. (Hunt'don) Raeburn, Sir William White, Col. G. D. (Southport)
Lowe, Sir F. W. Ramsden, G. T. Whitla, Sir William
Lynn, R. J. Raper, A. Baldwin Wild, Sir Ernest Edward
Lyon, L. Rees, Sir J. D. Williams, Lt.-Com. C. (Tavistock)
M'Donald, Dr. B. F. P. (Wallasey) Rees, Captain J. Tudor (Barnstaple) Wilson, Colonel Leslie (Reading)
Macdonald, Rt. Hon, J. M. (Stirling) Remer, J. B. Wilson, Col. M. (Richmond, Yorks.)
M'Guffin, Samuel Remnant, Colonel Sir James Wilson-Fox, Henry
M'Lean, Lt.-Col. C. W. W. (Brigg) Rendall, Athelstan Wood, Major Hon. E. (Ripon)
Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecelesall) Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, W.)
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Mallalieu, Frederick William Robinson, T. Stretford, Lancs.) Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Malone, Colonel C. L. (Leyton, E.) Roundell, Lt.-Colonel R. F. Young, Sir F. W. (Swindon)
Malone, Major P. (Tottenham) Rowlands, James
Manville, Edward Samuel, A. M. (Farnham, Surrey) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Lord E.
Martin, A. E. Sassoon, Sir Philip A. G. D. Talbot and Mr. J. Parker
NOES.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Francis Dyke Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Gretton, Colonel John Palmer, Major G. M. (Jarrow)
Ashley, Col. Wilfred W. Grundy, T. W. Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)
Barnes, Major H. (Newcastle, E.) Guest, J. (Hemsworth, York) Redmond, Captain William A.
Bell, James (Ormskirk) Hallas, E. Richards, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Benn, Captain W. (Leith) Hayward, Major Evan Richardson, R. (Houghton)
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. C. W. Henderson, Rt. Hon. Arthur (Widnes) Royce, William Stapleton
Brace, Rt. Hon. William Henderson, Major V. L. (Tradeston) Sitch, C. H.
Briant, F. Hirst, G. H. Smith, W. (Wellingborough)
Bromfield, W. Hodge, Rt. Hon. John Spoor, B. G.
Brown, J. (Ayr and Bute) Hogge, J. M. Swan, J. E. C.
Buckley, Lt.-Colonel A. Jones, Sir Evan (Pembroke) Thomas-Stanford, Charles
Burn, Colonel C. R. (Torquay) Kelly, Edward J. (Donegal, E.) Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, W.)
Cairns, John Kelly, Major Fred (Rotherham) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Cape, Tom Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander Tillett, Benjamin
Carter, W. (Mansfield) Kenyon, Barnet Wignall, James
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) Kiley, James Daniel Wilkie, Alexander
Cory, Sir Clifford John (St. Ives) Lawson, John Williams, A. (Consult, Durham)
Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.) Lindsay, William Arthur Williams, J. (Gower, Glam.)
Croft, Brig.-General Henry Page Lunn, William Williams, Col. P. (Middlesbrough)
Curzon, Commander Viscount Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Wilson, Capt. A. Stanley (Hold'ness)
Davies, Major David (Montgomery Co.) McMicking, Major Gilbert Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Davies, T. (Cirencester) Marriott, John Arthur R. Wood, Maj. Mackenzie Aberdeen, C.)
Edwards. C. (Bedwellty) Mosley, Oswald
Finney, Samuel Murray, Dr. D. (Western Isles) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir F.
FitzRoy, Captain Hon. Edward A. Nicholl, Com. Sir Edward Banbury and Mr. A. Shaw.
Glanville, Harold James