HC Deb 09 December 1919 vol 122 c1115
23. Mr. FORREST

asked the Secretary of State for War what details he had received within the last few days of a nature to suggest attempts to reconstitute the German Army as a fighting force?

Mr. CHURCHILL

I have received no information to show that efforts are being made in Germany to reorganise the army for offensive purposes. On the contrary ad the evidence goes to show that the Regular Army is being reduced in accordance with the Peace terms, although strictly these were, of course, only to take effect after the ratification. The Regular Army or Defence Force was at its maximum in August, 1919, when it was estimated at approximately 500,000 men. Its present strength is estimated at 390,000 men. Under Article 163 of the Peace Treaty these troops are to be reduced to 200,000.

In addition, there are under the Ministry of the Interior, the Reserve Formations, Civic Guards and Armed Constabulary. Of these, only the last named are mobile, and of immediate value as a fighting force. The strength of the Constabulary is estimated at about 70,000 men, and they are distributed in the larger towns. The Reserve Formations and Civic Guards are civilians who have agreed to serve in case of serious local disturbances, and the former would act as reserves to the Defence Force. Neither are in uniform or armed, their rifles being kept in depots. I understand that the Peace Conference is at present considering the attitude to be adopted regarding these organisations.

Sir J. BUTCHER

Is it known how many guns these forces possess?

Mr. CHURCHILL

No, Sir. I am not able to make a statement on that at present. If notice were given, I could, perhaps, make a statement. The House is in possession of the number of guns which had to be surrendered under the Peace Treaty.