HC Deb 02 April 1919 vol 114 cc1172-5
17. Brigadier-General COCKERILL

asked the Minister of Labour whether the Returns of unemployed persons in receipt of out-of-work donation are analysed with a view to detecting any marked excess in the supply of those skilled in any particular industry, having regard to the probable eventual demand for skilled labour in that industry; and, if so, what, if any, steps are being taken to divert such labour into other channels of employment instead of continuing to pay out-of-work donation?

Sir R. HORNE

I am afraid it would be impossible to make such an analysis as is suggested, in view of the fact that the probable eventual demand for labour in any given industry could not be even approximately estimated. I may add, however, that the Returns of persons in receipt of out-of-work donation are regularly scrutinised with a view to ensuring that all possible steps are taken to utilise unemployed labour for filling vacancies which are at the time known to exist.

19. Mr. W. R. SMITH

asked the Minister of Labour whether he has received any representations from trade unions in favour of the substitution of Clause 8 of the out-of-work donation scheme by a provision that any worker offered employment in another district where wages are lower shall be guaranteed the district rate of his place of residence; and whether he will consider this matter?

Sir R. HORNE

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. The rule is based upon the corresponding rule in Section 86 (c) of the National Health Insurance Act, 1911; and I do not see my way to altering it.

20. Mr. A. WILLIAMS

asked the Minister of Labour whether married women with children are being offered domestic service by the Labour Exchanges without the opportunity of returning to their homes in the evenings; and whether unemployment benefit is being refused to those who decline to take such work?

Sir R. HORNE

It is the duty of Employment Exchanges to offer suitable employment wherever possible to all women who claim out-of-work donation. The domestic circumstances of applicants are in all cases taken fully into account before unemployment donation is refused; and, further, all suspensions of donation are referred to a Court of Referees, before whom the applicant is entitled to attend and state his or her case. I am not aware of any particular instances raising the point contained in the hon. Member's question.

Mr. JOHN JONES

Is he prepared to allow these appeals to be made to the local advisory committees before they are finally sent to the Central Committee?

Sir R. HORNE

No; I do not think I am prepared to give that assurance. The present system has been devised as being the best possible under the circumstances.

Mr. A. WILLIAMS

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the circumstances set out in my question?

Sir R. HORNE

In every case it is the duty of the Employment Exchanges to consider such circumstances as the hon. Member mentions, and if they are unsatisfactory to the applicants it is then the duty of the Court of Referees to deal with it.

22. Sir F. BANBURY

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state what Act and what Vote authorises the payment of money to unemployed persons until November next?

Sir R. HORNE

Moneys required for out-of-work donation are provided in the Vote for the Civil Demobilisation and Resettlement Department. Parliament will be asked in due course to confirm this Vote in the Appropriation Act. No other statutory authority is being sought.

Sir F. BANBURY

Am I to understand from that answer that the money has been spent before either a Vote or an Act has been obtained?

Sir R. HORNE

I am afraid I am not sufficiently familiar with the forms of this. House to be able to answer that question, but if the hon. Member will put it before me in a subsequent question I shall be glad to answer it.

Sir F. BANBURY

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether it is the habit of the Government not to know when they spend money whether they are authorised to do so or not?

Sir R. HORNE

I do not think it is the habit of the Government; it is only my own personal ignorance on this question.

Lieutenant-Colonel W. GUINNESS

May I ask whether the Law Officers of the Crown have been consulted as to the legality of these payments?

Mr. JOHN JONES

Have the unemployed been consulted?

26. Lieutenant-Colonel HILDER

asked the Minister of Labour if he will give the number of men in England classified as agricultural labourers who received out-of-work donations for the second week in March?

Sir R. HORNE

The number of men in England classified as agricultural labourers who received out-of-work donation for the second week in March was 2,352.

28. Lieutenant-Colonel HILDER

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the number of agricultural labourers in England in receipt of out-of-work donations who obtained employment through the Employment Exchange during the second week in March?

Sir R. HORNE

The number of agricultural labourers (men) in England who obtained employment through the Employment Exchanges during the second week in March was 119.

I should like to add to the three answers which I have just given that the men submitted for employment are very frequently refused, and the fact that a man represents himself as an agricultural labourer is no guarantee that he has sufficient skill to induce the employer to take him on.

29. Lieutenant-Colonel HILDER

asked the Minister of Labour if he will give the number of painters and the number of bricklayers of all grades who were in receipt of out-of-work donations during the second week in March?

Sir R. HORNE

The number of painters and painters' labourers who were in receipt of out-of-work donation during the second week in March was 9,804. The number of bricklayers and bricklayers' labourers who were in receipt of out-of-work donation during the second week in March was 7,884.

Lieutenant-Colonel HILDER

Is my right hon. Friend aware of the extreme difficulty in the country of obtaining this kind of labour?

Mr. J. JONES

Is he aware also of the difficulty of these men in finding employment?

Mr. DONALD

Is he aware that in Ireland they are coming for their out-of-work donation in motor-cars?

Mr. JONES

Can he say if they are not entitled to a ride sometimes?