§ 27. Mr. FRANCEasked the Minister of National Service whether he is now making arrangements to take men for the Army from shipyards and marine engineering works; and, if so, what is the total number of men it is expected will be obtained for the Army in this way?
§ Mr. BECKArrangements have been made providing for the release from marine engineering works and from certain occupations in shipyards of a certain number of men fit for general service in accordance with the Schedule of Protected Occupations, M.M. 130, Revised. The release of these men for service with the forces is under the supervision of the district directors of the Admiralty Shipyard Labour Department for the respective districts. I am sure the hon. Member will appreciate that it is undesirable in the public interest to give the numbers of men who are being raised for the armed forces at the present time.
§ Mr. FRANCEMay I ask how the work of taking men from the shipyards into the Army is being co-ordinated with the work of returning men from the Army to the shipyards?
§ Mr. BECKWe are in close consultation with the Supply Department. Certain classes of men can be spared in view of the present grave emergency. In other classes not a single man or boy can be spared from the shipyards.
§ General Sir IVOR PHILIPPSDoes the hon. Gentleman's answer also refer to Royal dockyards?
§ Mr. HOLTWill the hon. Gentleman tell us what class of workmen in shipyards and marine engineering works can be spared?
§ Mr. BECKI should require notice of that. It is all set out in the Schedule, M.M. 130, but, roughly speaking, men employed on hulls cannot be spared, but a certain number of marine engineers can be spared.
§ Mr. WILKIEIs the hon. Gentleman aware that ship constructors cannot be spared, and does not the same thing apply to Royal dockyards as to private firms?
§ Mr. BECKI shall be very glad to have information as to that. In fact, we are having a number of representations that 1385 too many men are being protected in shipyards. There is alleged to be great resentment in certain parts of the country because of the number of men protected.
§ Mr. WILKIEHow does that square with the request of the First Lord for everybody to volunteer to go to the shipyards?
§ Mr. BECKIt is a matter of balance of national interests. The physical fitness of the men comes into the question. Those taken are young, fit men who can be spared, and if they are not taken older men have to be taken.