HC Deb 23 April 1917 vol 92 cc2186-7

Where under any such Order or Warrant as aforesaid a gratuity or temporary allowance of not less than thirty pounds, any portion of which is in respect of temporary total disablement has on or after the first day of April, nineteen hundred and seventeen, been granted in place of a pension to any person to whom Section forty-six of the National Insurance Act, 1911, applied at the time of his leaving naval or military service, he shall not from the date of the award or the date of the passing of this Act, whichever may be the later be entitled in respect of his insurance under the National Insurance Act, 1911, to any sickness or disablement benefit until be proves that he has since leaving naval or military service been employed within the meaning of the National Insurance Act, 1911, during twenty-six weeks, whether consecutive or not, and that twenty-six weekly contributions have been paid in respect of him:

Provided that if such person at any time after the grant of the temporary allow-ance or gratuity to him becomes entitled to a pension under any such Order or Warrant, this Section shall cease to apply to him.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

Mr. HOGGE

I want my hon. Friend to get his Bill, because I promised that if they would not take the Munitions Bill to-night I would let him have it, but at the same time I would point out that we got no reply to the discussion on the last Bill, although the Minister was on the Bench. I am not satisfied with Clause 2. It says that when a man gets a gratuity of £30 instead of a pension under the Royal Warrant he will not be entitled to insurance benefit. We have no guarantee when or where a man will get the £30, and therefore we have no guarantee when or where he will get his insurance benefit, and I am reluctant that the hon. Gentleman should get this Clause without some explanation.

Sir E. CORNWALL

I can assure my hon. Friend that it is in accordance with Clause 7 of the Pensions Warrant, which says, "Where it is considered in the interests of the soldier," etc. I can assure my hon. Friend that the soldier will get this money to which he is entitled under his insurance contribution. He will not be deprived of a single penny. If there were any question of a man not getting his money I could understand the objection, but there is no question of him not getting the money; it is only a question of the method of his getting it.

Mr. HOGGE

I will keep my bargain, but I do not believe it.

Clause ordered to stand part of the Bill.