HC Deb 22 December 1916 vol 88 cc1816-7
19. Mr. WATT

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether it is his intention to allow the railway companies to raise their passenger fares in the immediate future; if so, will he say whether legislation is necessary before third-class fares can be raised, in view of the statutes which insist on a certain number of trains being run at the fare of a penny a mile?

Mr. ROBERTS

As regards the first part of this question, I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave on Wednesday to a question asked by the hon. Member for Mile End. As regards the second part, the Board of Trade are already empowered by a Regulation under the Defence of the Realm Acts to modify any statutory requirements with regard to the maximum amount of passenger fares.

Mr. HOGGE

Can my hon. Friend say whether the raising of the fare is not in the nature of an obstacle to those people who find it necessary to travel; is it not the case that the raising of fares is to prevent unnecessary travelling and could not the Board of Trade arrange that those who find it necessary to travel can do so at the usual fare?

Mr. ROBERTS

The hon. Gentleman has correctly stated the purpose we have in view, that is to restrict travelling. I am aware that there are a number of people who must travel for the purpose of business, and that is a point which is receiving consideration.

Mr. PRINGLE

Has the Government taken advice as to whether this particular Regulation is ultra vires?

Mr. ROBERTS

I have given a statement, and I am advised that the Regulation is well founded.

Mr. MORTON

What will become of the money made out of these additional fares?

Mr. ROBERTS

It is not expected that there will be any additional money raised out of these fares. We contemplate a loss.

Mr. MORTON

Is it a fact that you are to make the increase beyond the forty-mile radius?

Mr. HOGGE

If a Scottish Member takes a return ticket to-day for Scotland, will he have to pay the extra return fare back?

Mr. SPEAKER

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade is not a booking clerk.