HC Deb 25 February 1915 vol 70 cc389-90
18. Mr. JOYNSON-HICKS

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, in spite of the use of the interned steamers, the expected reduction in freights from the Tyne to London has not taken place; and what is now the rate?

Mr. ROBERTSON

My right hon. Friend has requested me to answer this question. There was some reduction in freights when these vessels started running, but there was afterwards an upward tendency. I understand that 14s. 6d. was the last rate paid to an outside boat, and 12s. to an interned steamer.

19. Mr. JOYNSON-HICKS

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, in order to ease the freight rates for coal from the Tyne to London, he can arrange for some of the colliers which take coal from Cardiff to the North Sea Fleet to take a cargo from the Tyne to London on the way back instead of returning empty?

Mr. ROBERTSON

Certain colliers have already been temporarily released by the Admiralty for the purpose indicated, and the practice will be continued so far as Fleet considerations permit.

Sir FORTESCUE FLANNERY

Would the hon. Gentleman consider the desirability of representing to the Admiralty that they should pay part of the excessive rate out of the savings on the hire of these colliers at 4s. per ton?

Mr. ROBERTSON

I will convey the suggestion to the Admiralty.

Mr. LOUGH

Is it not possible for the Board of Trade to fix these freights?

Mr. ROBERTSON

No, I think not. As I have indicated, the rates charged for the interned steamers are lower than those in the open market.

Sir RYLAND ADKINS

Are they fixed by the Board of Trade?

Mr. ROBERTSON

They are fixed by the business firm accustomed to the management of these matters.

Sir R. ADKINS

Have they been given instructions to fix them at as low a rite as possible?

Mr. ROBERTSON

The firm was instructed to conform to the market rate and to resist any upward tendency.

Mr. LOUGH

Where does the profit go if the rates are heavier on these interned ships?

Sir R. ADKINS

My hon. Friend says that they were instructed to conform to the market rate. Does that mean the market rate as inflated in these peculiar circumstances?

Mr. ROBERTSON

An inflated market rate is still a market rate. The firm were instructed to observe the market rata and to resist an upward tendency. These figures show that they are doing so.

Mr. ALDEN

Would not the best way to resist be to charge less?