HC Deb 28 April 1914 vol 61 cc1509-10
23. Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has received repeated representations from insurance agents employed to do the work of approved societies to the effect that their remuneration for such work is inadequate; whether he can assure the House that their remuneration is adequate; if not, whether he will take steps to satisfy himself whether it is adequate or inadequate; and, if he has no power to interfere, whether he will seek power from Parliament to secure that all persons who are employed in the administration of public funds are adequately paid for the services so rendered?

Mr. WEDGWOOD BENN (Lord of the Treasury)

Representations have been received by my right hon. Friend, but he is not of opinion that he can properly interfere in the matter.

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

May I ask whether the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer agrees with the suggestion that these insurance agents who are employed to do the work of the approved societies are persons employed in the administration of public funds?

Mr. BENN

Will the hon. Gentleman put that down on the Paper?

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

I have it on the Paper here.

Mr. BOOTH

Is my hon. Friend not aware that the main principle of the Act is to give independence and full local control over their own affairs to approved societies?

Mr. BENN

Yes, that is so.

Mr. WEDGWOOD

Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the fact that the trade union representing these men threatens to strike in case the pay is not raised.

Mr. BOOTH

No. That is not so.

36. Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

asked the hon. Member for St. George's-in-the-East, as representing the Insurance Commissioners, if he will state in what respect the position of the doctors who have contracted with the insurance committees to supply medical attendance and treatment to insured persons differs from the position of insurance agents who are employed to do the work of approved societies, so as to make it proper that he should inform the House as to the amount of remuneration of the doctors and improper that he should inform the House as to the remuneration of the insurance agents?

Mr. BENN

All doctors on the panel are under a statutory contract to render similar service to the insured persons on their lists, whereas the services rendered by officials or agents of approved societies vary indefinitely according to the organisation of the particular society, and are consequently remunerated upon different terms. In addition insurance committees do not, as societies do, pay for, and control, work done by the same individuals outside the Act. The cases are not therefore analogous.

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

Does that answer imply that the terms of remuneration of the doctors are fixed by Statute?

Mr. BENN

No. What the answer says is that the doctors are under a statutory contract to render similar services to all the insured persons on their lists.

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

Is there anything in the Act imposing the duty upon or granting the power to the Commissioners to concern themselves with the remuneration of the doctors, whilst a similar power or duty is not granted or imposed with regard to the insurance agents?

Mr. BENN

The cases are quite different.

Mr. PRINGLE

Is not the main difference that the doctors are well organised while the insurance agents are not?

Mr. BENN

That is one difference.

Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT

In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the answers, I propose to raise this question on the Adjournment to-night.