§ (1) The Treasury may borrow from any person, by the issue of Treasury Bills or otherwise, and the Bank of England and the Bank of Ireland may advance to the Treasury on the credit of the said sum, any sum or sums not exceeding in the whole forty-one million twenty-seven thousand pounds.
§ (2) The date of payment of any Treasury Bills issued under this Section shall be a date not later than the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and fourteen, and Section 6 of the Treasury Bills Act, 1877 (which relates to the renewal of Bills), shall not apply with respect to those Bills.
§ (3) Any money borrowed otherwise than on Treasury Bills shall be repaid, with interest not exceeding five pounds per cent. per annum, out of the growing produce of the Consolidated Fund, at any period not later than the next succeeding quarter to that in which the money was borrowed.
§ (4) Any money borrowed under this Section shall be placed to the credit of the account of the Exchequer, and shall form part of the said Consolidated Fund, and be available in any manner in which such Fund is available.
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."
§ Sir F. BANBURYI beg to move, in Sub-section (1), to leave out the words "forty-one million, twenty-seven thousand pounds" in order to insert instead thereof the words "five million pounds."
I do not think that it is wise to give this Government too great borrowing powers and I therefore propose this Amendment. I do not know whether the Secretary to the Treasury will have any very good argument to advance in support of the proposal that the amount of £41,027,000 should be left in the Bill, but to my mind it is necessary to exercise some control, and therefore I move this Amendment.
Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTTOn a point of Order. Did I understand you, Sir, to say on a previous occasion to-day that it 1688 would be out of order to move any reduction.
§ The CHAIRMANThat was as to the amount to be issued out of the Consolidated Fund, which must correspond with the Votes in Supply. This Clause refers to powers of temporary borrowing, and I do not see why it should not be competent to the hon. Member to propose the substitution of a lesser sum.
§ Mr. MASTERMANThis is the normal Clause as it has been passed for—[HON. MEMBERS: "Withdraw!"]
§ Sir F. BANBURYThe right hon. Gentleman tells us that this is the normal Clause, and therefore apparently he is under the impression that it requires no justification. That impression apparently is shared by hon. Members opposite, because they cheered loudly when the right hon. Gentleman said that this was the normal Clause. Was not the Clause which we were discussing a few moments ago the normal Clause, and a much more normal Clause than the present one, because the other Clause had been approved by the House, whereas this is practically a new Clause which has never been submitted to the House and which confers upon the Government certain powers of borrowing? I hope this shows how very unsatisfactory is the state of affairs at the present moment, when hon. Gentlemen opposite consider it decent to conduct the affairs of the nation in this way—when they can waste time and be called to order, and when actually a right hon. Gentleman who is a Member of the Government, and occupies a prominent position on the Front Bench, rises to obstruct the proceedings and waste time. When there is a reason, and a very excellent reason, for not entrusting this Government with borrowing powers, the only Member of the Front Bench who got up is the right hon. Gentleman who obstructed the proceedings, and who now thinks that all it is necessary to say is that this is a normal Clause.
§ Mr. CHIOZZA MONEYI want, with all respect, to make the submission to you, Sir, with regard to this Amendment and to your ruling, that it is in order. May I suggest to you that by accepting the hon. Baronet's Amendment we would deny 1689 borrowing powers to the Government, and, in effect, destroy the purpose of this Bill, and therefore it cannot be in order, because, if you deny the Government power to borrow, you deny them the power, in certain circumstances, of carrying on the services of this country.
§ The CHAIRMANThat is not a point of Order. It is a question of the merits.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSThe reason I propose to vote with my hon. Friend on this Amendment is because the only defence against it was made by the right hon. Gentleman, who this afternoon did nothing but deliberately and purposely obstruct, the proceedings. That being so, unless the Government have someone else to put up in order to explain this matter other than the right hon. Gentleman, who by his conduct this afternoon has discredited himself, I for one shall not only vote for the Amendment, but shall take every means in my power to resist this proposal.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONThe right hon. Gentleman the Secretary to the Treasury's defence of this Clause was that it is a normal Clause. I am glad to think that the proceedings taken by the Government this afternoon are not the normal proceedings which Governments have habitually taken in the history of this House. Anything more disgraceful—
§ The CHAIRMANWhen the right hon. Gentleman was said to have used that word, and attention was called to it, I ruled that it was not a Parliamentary word, and I am sure the hon. Member will withdraw it.
Sir GILBERT PARKERI rise to a point of Order. I believe, Sir, you have ruled that the word "disgraceful" is out of order. May I draw your attention to the fact that during the last Session this very point came up before the Speaker, who ruled that it was not out of order. I made objection respectfully to the Speaker and the Speaker ruled upon that occasion that the circumstances controlled the decision of the Chair in each case.
§ The CHAIRMANI will hear the hon. Gentleman in a moment, but I wish to answer the point of Order.
§ The CHAIRMANI always take the advice of those appointed to advise me when I think it necessary. The hon. Baronet the Member for Gravesend is quite correct in what he says, that there have been cases in which rulings have been given on that word "disgraceful" in both directions, and it remains for the Speaker or the Chairman, as the case may be, to use his discretion when the occasion, arises. There are in the books many precedents in either direction. This afternoon I stated that the word, if it were used by a Member of the Government, was one that I should not allow, and I think it would be well for the hon. Member for Down to withdraw it and obey my decision.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSOn a point of Order. May I submit to you, Sir, that the question submitted to the Speaker was as to the word "disgraceful," and it was decided that it depended on the circumstances in each individual case. But the fact that you ruled it out of Order when it was said the right hon. Gentleman opposite used it, in no way prevents an hon. Member on this side from describing as disgraceful, conduct which appears to him to be disgraceful. It is for you, Sir, to decide whether the use of the word "disgraceful" in not permissible under the circumstances in which my hon. Friend speaks.
§ Mr. MOOREI wish to ask you, Sir, on a point of Order, whether you have ruled the expression "disgraceful" with regard to this afternoon's proceedings as out of Order?
§ The CHAIRMANI said that if the word had been used by the Financial Secretary to the Treasury it was out of order, and I have decided similarly as to the observation of the hon. Member, and I am sure he will withdraw it.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONWhatever may have been done by other hon. Gentleman or right hon. Gentlemen in this. House, I wish to obey your ruling, Sir, and, whatever may be my private opinion as to these proceedings, and however much I may think in my own mind that they are disgraceful, I will conform to the tradi- 1691 tions of the House, and I will say that they are too discreditable even for this Government.
§ Mr. MOOREI wish to take the opportunity of saying in public what I think in private. I beg to say in public, in the most sincere manner at my command, that the proceedings this afternoon are a disgrace to the House of Commons, and I go further and I say that the action of the Secretary to the Treasury this afternoon was a piece of disgraceful trickery.
§ The CHAIRMANI call upon the hon. Member to withdraw the expression.
§ Mr. MOOREI understand, Sir, that you ask me to withdraw that expression. I absolutely refuse to do so.
§ Mr. BONAR LAWI do not think that the temper of the House is agreeable to any Member of this Assembly, and I should like, if I can, to put an end to proceedings of which we do not approve. I am bound to state that I feel certain that if the Prime Minister had been present he would not have disagreed with me when I said that for what has happened the Government and the Government alone, in my judgment, are to blame. [HON. MEMBERS: "No, no."] What I wish to point out is—[An HON. MEMBER: "Is it a point of Order?"] By the admission of the right hon. Gentleman. [Interruption.] I think it is for the advantage of the House that I should say this. [Interruption, and an HON. MEMBER: "There is nothing before the House."]
§ The CHAIRMANI would point out to the right hon. Gentleman that I thought
§ he was rising on a point of Order. The hon. Member for North Armagh has declined my request that he should make a withdrawal of that expression, and, therefore, I am bound, under the Rules of the House, to direct him to withdraw from this day's proceedings.
§ Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause."
§ Mr. RONALD M'NEILL (seated, and covered)When you put the Question just now, I rose in my place, and wished to continue the Debate. Earlier in to-day's proceedings, when an hon. Member opposite got up under very similar circumstances, you, having taken the advice of your advisers at the Table, allowed him to proceed, although you had already put the Question. Under those circumstances I claim to be allowed to address the House on this subject.
§ The CHAIRMANThe hon. Member rose when the Question was put a second time. [HON. MEMBERS: "NO, no, the first time," and other HON. MEMBERS: "He did not rise the first time," and "Go on with the Division."]
§ Sir A. MARKHAMDo not make the House of Commons into a pot-house.
§ Mr. R. M'NEILLI rose to address the House when he put the Question for the first time. [HON. MEMBERS: "You did not."]
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 263; Noes, 199.
1695| Division No. 8.] | AYES. | [5.2 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Bowerman, C. W. | Crumley, Patrick |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy.) |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Brady, Patrick Joseph | Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Burke, E. Haviland- | Davies, Timothy (Lines., Louth) |
| Alden, Percy | Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) |
| Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) | Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Dawes, J. A. |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Delany, William |
| Arnold, Sydney | Byles, Sir William Pollard | Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Dickinson, W. H. |
| Baker, H. T. (Accrington) | Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) | Dillon, John |
| Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury) | Chancellor, Henry George | Donelan, Captain A. |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Doris, William |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | Duffy, William J. |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Clancy, John Joseph | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) |
| Barnes, G. N. | Clough, William | Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) |
| Barton, William | Clynes, John R. | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Elverston, Sir Harold |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Falconer, James |
| Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) | Cotton, William Francis | Farrell, James Patrick |
| Bentham, G. J. | Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles |
| Boland, John Pius | Crean, Eugene | Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Crooks, William | Ffrench, Peter |
| Field, William | Lynch, A. A. | Reddy, M. |
| Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Fitzgibbon, John | McGhee, Richard | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Maclean, Donald | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) |
| France, Gerald Ashburner | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Gelder, Sir W. A. | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Gilhooly, James | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Ginnell, Laurence | M'Callum, Sir John M. | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Gladstone, W. G. C. | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) |
| Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Robinson, Sidney |
| Goldstone, Frank | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lines, Spalding) | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Griffith, Ellis J. | Manfield, Harry | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Guest, Hon. Major C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Rowlands, James |
| Guest, Hon. Frederick (Dorset, E.) | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Rowntree, Arnold |
| Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Hackett, John | Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. |
| Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) | Meagher, Michael | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Hardie, J. Keir | Middlebrook, William | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) | Millar, James Duncan | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | Molloy, Michael | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) | Molteno, Percy Alport | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel |
| Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Money, L. G. Chiozza | Sheehy, David |
| Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Montagu, Hon. E. S. | Sherwell, Arthur James |
| Hayden, John Patrick | Mooney, John J. | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook |
| Hayward, Evan | Morrell, Philip | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Hazleton, Richard | Morison, Hector | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) |
| Hemmerde, Edward George | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Snowden, Philip |
| Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Muldoon, John | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Munro, R. | Sutherland, J. E. |
| Henry, Sir Charles | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Sutton, John E. |
| Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) | Murphy, Martin J. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Higham, John Sharp | Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Hinds, John | Needham, Christopher T. | Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) |
| Hodge, John | Neilson, Francis | Tennant, Harold John |
| Hogge, James Myles | Norton, Captain Cecil W. | Thomas, James Henry |
| Holmes, Daniel Turner | Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Holt, Richard Durning | Nuttall, Harry | Toulmin, Sir George |
| Horne, Charles Silvester (Ipswich) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Brien, William (Cork) | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Hudson, Walter | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Hughes, Spencer Leigh | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Walters, Sir John Tudor |
| Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | O'Doherty, Philip | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) | O'Donnell, Thomas | Waring, Walter |
| John, Edward Thomas | O'Dowd, John | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Grady, James | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | O'Malley, William | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | Watt, Henry Anderson |
| Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Webb, H. |
| Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | O'Shee, James John | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
| Jones, W. S. Glyn- (Stepney) | O'Sullivan, Timothy | White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) |
| Jowett, Frederick William | Outhwaite, R. L. | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Keating, Matthew | Palmer, Godfrey Mark | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Kelly, Edward | Parker, James (Halifax) | Whitehouse, John Howard |
| Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Parry, Thomas H. | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Kilbride, Denis | Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| King, J. | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Pointer, Joseph | Wing, Thomas |
| Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Leach, Charles | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| Levy, Sir Maurice | Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) | |
| Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Pringle, William M. R. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. |
| Lundon, Thomas | Radford, G. H. | Illingworth and Mr. Gulland. |
| Lyell, Charles Henry | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major William | Beresford, Lord Charles | Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) |
| Archer-Shee, Major M. | Bigland, Alfred | Campion, W. R. |
| Ashley, Wilfrid W. | Bird, Alfred | Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred |
| Baird, John Lawrence | Blair, Reginald | Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. |
| Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) | Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Cassel, Felix |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Castlereagh, Viscount |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Boyton, James | Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) |
| Barnston, Harry | Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Bridgeman, W. Clive | Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Bull, Sir William James | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r., E.) |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Burgoyne, Alan Hughes | Clay, Captain H. H. Spender |
| Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) | Burn, Colonel C. R. | Clive, Captain Percy Archer |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Butcher, John George | Clyde, J. Avon |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Pole-Carew, Sir R. |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. J. (Birmingham) | Hoare, S. J. G. | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Courthope, George Loyd | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Randles, Sir John S. |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) | Ratcliff, R. F. |
| Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford) | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peet |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Horner, Andrew Long | Rees, Sir J. D. |
| Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian | Houston, Robert Paterson | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Cripps, Sir Charles Alfred | Hunt, Rowland | Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Croft, H. P. | Hunter, Sir Charles Rodk. | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) | Ingleby, Holcombe | Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) |
| Denniss, E. R. B. | Joynson-Hicks, William | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
| Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott | Kebty-Fletcher, J. R. | Sanders, Robert Arthur |
| Du Cros, Arthur Philip | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Sandys, G. J. |
| Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Kimber, Sir Henry | Sassoon, Sir Philip |
| Faber, George Denison (Clapham) | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Falle, Bertram Godfray | Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford | Smith, Harold (Warrington) |
| Fell, Arthur | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Stanier, Beville |
| Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) |
| Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. | Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts., Mile End) | Starkey, John Ralph |
| Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue | Lee, Arthur Hamilton | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Fleming, Valentine | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) | Steel-Maitland, A. D. |
| Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Stewart, Gershom |
| Forster, Henry William | Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Colonel A. R. | Swift, Rigby |
| Gardner, Ernest | Long, Rt. Hon. Walter | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) |
| Gastrell, Major W. Houghton | Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee | Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central) |
| Gibbs, George Abraham | MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Gilmour Captain John | Mackinder, Halford J. | Terrell, G. (Wilts, N.W.) |
| Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. | Macmaster, Donald | Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North) |
| Goldman, C. S. | M'Calmont, Major Robert C. A. | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) |
| Goldsmith, Frank | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent. St. Augustine's) | Tobin, Alfred Aspinall |
| Gordon, Hon. John Howard (Brighton) | Magnus, Sir Philip | Tryon, Captain George Clement |
| Goulding, Edward Alfred | Malcolm, Ian | Valentia, Viscount |
| Grant, J. A. | Mallaby-Deeley, Harry | Walker, Colonel William Hall |
| Greene, Walter Raymond | Mason, James F (Windsor) | Weigall, Captain A. G. |
| Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S.E.) | Middlemore, John Throgmorton | Weston, Colonel J. W. |
| Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) | Mildmay, Francis Bingham | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Haddock, George Bahr | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Mount, William Arthur | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) | Newdegate, F. A. | Wills, Sir Gilbert |
| Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Newman, John R. P. | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Norton-Griffiths, J. (Wednesbury) | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Harris, Henry Percy | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) | Wright, Henry Fitzherbert |
| Harrison-Broadley, H. B. | Paget, Almeric Hugh | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Helmsley, Viscount | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) | Yate, Colonel C. E. |
| Henderson, Major H. (Berkshire) | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) | Younger, Sir George |
| Hewins, William Albert Samuel | Peel, Lieut.-Colonel R. F. | |
| Hibbert, Sir Henry F. | Perkins, Walter F. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
| Hickman, Col. Thomas E. | Peto, Basil Edward | Gretton and Lord A. Thynne. |
| Hill, Sir Clement L. |
§ Sir F. BANBURYI have another Amendment to move.
§ Sir GODFREY BARINGI wish to direct your attention to the fact that the hon. and learned Member for North Armagh, who a short time ago was directed by you to withdraw, is still present.
§ The CHAIRMANThe hon. and gallant Member for North Armagh is, I think, himself directing my attention to that fact. I have to remind him of the Rules of the House, under which I am bound to act, when an hon. Member declines to have regard to the authority of the Chair, and that is to order that he withdraw from the remainder of this day's Sitting. Do I understand that he declines to do so?
§ Sir A. MARKHAMTurn out the pot-house crowd.
§ The CHAIRMANI must report the hon. Member to the House for having disregarded the authority of the Chair.
§ The CHAIRMANI have to name the hon. and learned Member for North Armagh for disregarding the authority of the Chair, and the Sitting will be suspended pending the arrival of Mr. Speaker.
§ Mr. SPEAKERhaving taken the Chair,
§ The CHAIRMANMr. Speaker, I regret that I have to report to you that it has been my duty to name the hon. and learned Member for North Armagh for having disregarded the authority of the Chair.
§ The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Asquith)I beg to move, "That the hon. and learned Member for North Armagh be suspended from the service of this House."
§ Question proposed, "That Mr. William Moore be suspended from the service of the House."
§ Mr. SPEAKERStanding Order 18 says—
"and the Speaker shall on a Motion being made thereupon put the same Question without amendment, adjournment, or debate."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 263; Noes, 150.
| Division No. 9.] | AYES. | [5.15 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) | Henry, Sir Charles |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Dawes, J. A. | Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) |
| Alden, Percy | Delany, William | Higham, John Sharp |
| Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) | Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | Hinds, John |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Dickinson, W. H. | Hodge, John |
| Arnold, Sydney | Dillon, John | Hogge, James Myles |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Donelan, Captain A. | Holmes, Daniel Turner |
| Baker, H. T. (Accrington) | Doris, William | Holt, Richard Durning |
| Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) | Duffy, William J. | Horne, Charles Silvester (Ipswich) |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Hudson, Walter |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Hughes, S. L. |
| Barton, William | Elverston, Sir Harold | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Falconer, James | John, Edward Thomas |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Farrell, James Patrick | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) |
| Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) |
| Bentham, G. J. | Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) |
| Boland, John Pius | Ffrench, Peter | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Field, William | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Jones, W. S. Glyn- (Stepney) |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Fitzgibbon, John | Jowett, F. W. |
| Brady, Patrick Joseph | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Keating, Matthew |
| Brunner, John F. L. | France, Gerald Ashburner | Kelly, Edward |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Gelder, Sir W. A. | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Ginnell, Laurence | Kilbride, Denis |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Gladstone, W. G. C. | King, J. |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Goldstone, Frank | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Griffith, Ellis J. | Leach, Charles |
| Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) | Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Chancellor, Henry George | Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Lundon, Thomas |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | Hackett, John | Lyell, Charles Henry |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) | Lynch, A. A. |
| Clough, William | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) |
| Clynes, John R. | Hardie, J. Keir | McGhee, Richard |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) | Maclean, Donald |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West) | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) |
| Cotton, William Francis | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | Hayden, John Patrick | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Crooks, William | Hayward, Evan | M'Callum, Sir John M. |
| Crumley, Patrick | Hazleton, Richard | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | Hemmerde, Edward George | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) |
Captain CRAIGThen I should not be in order in including two or three hon. Members opposite who have behaved in a most abominable manner?
§ Mr. SPEAKERI do not know what has occurred in Committee.
§ Mr. RONALD M'NEILLYou having informed the House that you know nothing of what has taken place, will it be open to Members of the House to inform you?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThere is no opportunity. I will inform myself to-morrow.
§ Question put, "That Mr. William Moore be suspended from the service of the House."
1701§ Mr. SPEAKERIf the hon. Member is in the House, I must ask him to observe the Resolution of the House and to withdraw.
§ Mr. SPEAKERIt was certainly a very improper observation.
§ The hon. and learned Member for North Armagh then withdrew.