§ [Progress, 30th June.]
§ Considered in Committee.
§ [Mr. WHITLEY in the Chair.]
§ Order read for resuming consideration of Amendment to Question, "That it is expedient to authorise the payment, out of the Consolidated Fund, of the Salary and Pension of any additional Lord of Appeal in Ordinary appointed under any Act of the present Session to make further provision with respect to the number and duties of Lords of Appeal in Ordinary."—[The Attorney-General.]
§ Which Amendment was at the end of the Question, to add the words "provided that the sum paid in salaries in any one year to the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary appointed under this Act shall in no case exceed ten thousand pounds."—[Mr. Watt.]
§ Question again proposed, "That those words be there added." Debate resumed.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSOn a point of Order, Mr. Whitley, and for the guidance of the Committee. May I ask whether this Resolution in Committee will over the new Clause which I have put down with regard to the payment of not merely the judges, but the expenses of their officers? It will probably be agreed that it is essential that these judges should have the necessary officers. [HON. MEMBERS: "No, no."] It is arguable. There is, at all events, the further point to be considered as to whether the judges may have the necessary officers. I have put down—and it will come on in due course in Committee—a new Clause to enable them to have the same salaried officers, and so forth, as the other judges. What I want to specially guard myself against when we come into Committee is being met by a Financial Resolution which is not sufficiently wide. I desire, therefore, to ask your guidance as to whether the present Financial Resolution is wide enough to cover the necessary expenses which are mentioned in the new Clause that I have put down, or whether it will be desirable to move an Amendment to enlarge the scope of this Resolution?
§ The CHAIRMANThat is a question upon which I shall not rule till we come to the Committee on the Bill. I do not examine new Clauses until we arrive at that stage.
§ Sir F. BANBURYI beg to move, as an Amendment to the proposed Amendment, to leave out the word "ten" ["ten thousand pounds"], and to insert instead thereof the word "twelve."
When I was speaking last night I was pointing out to the Committee that though I agreed in the main with the limiting Resolution which has been put forward by the hon. Member for one of the Divisions of St. Pancras, I could not agree with the Amendment which he had put into his suggested Amendment. There was some doubt on this side of the House, and, I think, also on the other side of the House, as to what amount should be put in, presuming we were desirous of giving to these two new Lords of Appeal the same salary as that given to the other Lords of Appeal. I suggested that the Amendment should be limited to £12,000, instead of £10,000. I was met by cries from both sides of the House that that would not be sufficient, because there were other expenses which should be included for clerks, etc., and which would not be covered by the £12,000. I find, however, that that is not so, and that the £12,000 would actually provide a salary of the same amount as received now by the existing Lords of Appeal. I believe I am right in saying that Lords of Appeal do not have clerks or amanuenses, as the hon. Gentleman for one of the Divisions of Glasgaw said last night. On looking at the Paper, too, I find that the Amendment provides that the sum paid in salaries in any one year to these Lords of Appeal in Ordinary shall in no case exceed £10,000. I am very glad to see that the Resolution is on the Paper, and that the Amendment is also on the Paper, because it makes it so very much better to discuss. The Resolution was not on the Paper yesterday, and I would rather like to know why? I see the Chancellor of the Exchequer is in his place. He was extremely anxious when he was in Opposition that all these Resolutions should be on the Paper. Several hon. Members have asked me why this Resolution was not put on the Paper. I have told them that there was nothing unusual in the Resolution not being on the Paper, but that the eloquence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he sat on this side of the House was unbounded upon the 1733 wickedness of the Tories in not putting these Resolutions upon the Paper.
Now that hon. Gentlemen opposite have come into office, though I admit they have occasionally put these Resolutions upon the Paper, on the majority of occasions the Resolutions are not put on the Paper, and I was endeavouring to show how necessary it is that they should be put on the Paper, because, if this Resolution had been put on the Paper yesterday, probably the misconception that did arise would not have arisen. I move my Amendment to insert £12,000, instead of £10,000, because I do not in the least wish to cut down the salaries of any of the judges. I believe that the judges are by no manner of means exceptionally paid. Their work is certainly deserving of the salaries they get. I should be the last man in this House to desire to cut them down, but I do think before we vote money we ought to know what we are going to do and how much we are going to vote. It has been said that a limiting Resolution of this sort would never be accepted because it is quite unusual. I am glad to say that by constantly pegging away at this form of procedure on nearly every occasion and by moving limiting Resolutions, sometimes with very satisfactory results, I succeeded, I think it was two or three months ago, in actually getting a limiting Resolution accepted by the right hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade. My arguments were apparently so conclusive that the right hon. Gentleman accepted the limiting Resolution. In this case my arguments will be, if possible, even more conclusive than they were upon that occasion. What, after all, is it that we propose to do? We propose to give these two Lords of Appeal a certain salary. [An HON. MEMBER: "£5,000 each."] An hon. Member opposite says £5,000 each, but that is £1,000 less than they already receive, and I see no reason for a diminution when you are going to appoint further Lords of Appeal—though, of course, I cannot go into that question. When you are appointing gentlemen of this sort you ought to pay them properly. I am certain hon. Members below the Gangway opposite, who are all in favour of trade union rate of wages, will support me in this, because there is no doubt that this is the trade union rate of those concerned. No trade unionist could say that less than the existing rate could by any manner of means be regarded as the trade union rate; therefore I can count upon their cooperation for this Amendment. I wish to 1734 substitute the sum of £12,000, which enables the existing rate to be paid, and that would have the advantage that we would know what we were doing, and that we are not putting into the hands of the Government large sums to be extravagantly spent. I venture to say from the returns that have been coming in I do not know where the money is to come from, because the returns for the quarter are extremely bad. At the same time I cannot advocate the cutting down of salaries below the existing rate. On the other hand, considering the bad returns that are coming in, it is not right to give the Government the spending of more than this. If we do not put in some limiting words it may be in the power of the Government, as somebody suggested, I think quite wrongly, to appoint two Lords of Appeal and to give one a larger salary than the other. I do not believe that for a moment. I do not know what my right hon. Friend the Member for East Worcester (Mr. Austen Chamberlain) may say to these limiting words. I am not quite certain he will be agreed, and I hope if he does not agree he will be able to show by convincing arguments that I am wrong and he is right. I move, therefore, as an Amendment to the proposed Amendment, to leave out the word "ten," and to insert instead thereof the word "twelve."
§ Mr. BARNESI am sorry to disillusion the right hon. Gentleman opposite the Member for the City of London, and so far as I am concerned, at any rate, I am not going to vote for £12,000 as against £10,000.
§ Sir F. BANBURYIs the hon. Member a "blackleg"?
§ Mr. BARNESThe hon. Baronet can apply that term if he likes. I quite agree with his argument that he has so often urged before that there is need for limiting the amount of money taken in this Resolution. I do not think it is right we should give the Government a blank cheque, but when he assumes that the Labour party are going to vote in favour of £12,000 as against £10,000, I think he is labouring under a delusion. I should like to refer for a moment to what was said last night about the Labour party in reference to the appointment of a new judge. I counted at least half a dozen of my colleagues in the same Lobby on that occasion as my hon. Friend the Member for Ashton-under-Lyme.
§ Mr. BARNESThat only shows that the Labour party did not make it a party question. On the previous occasion the question of arrears in the King's Bench was shown to be very bad, and having regard to the fact that colleagues of ours signed a Report in favour of a new judge and felt bound by that, consequently most of us voted in favour of the additional judge. I believe with hon. Members behind me that no one case has been made out for the appointment of these two additional judges, but, however, I cannot go into that on the Resolution now before the House. I agree that we ought to have a knowledge of how much money we are going to vote before adopting this Resolution. It is upon that I am going to vote now, but I shall vote for the smaller sum rather than the larger sum, because it seems to me that the question of trade union rates will not come in here at all. Trade union rates are fixed by persons banding themselves together.
§ Sir F. BANBURYSo are lawyers.
§ Mr. BARNESYes, but the lawyers are protected by having their salaries fixed here in this House, and not by higgledy-piggledy rates outside. I shall not vote for £6,000 a year each simply because lawyers at the present time have £6,000. I shall vote for £5,000 because I think it is quite ample.
§ The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Sir Rufus Isaacs)I think the House will recognise that on the Second Reading of the Bill I stated the proposal of the Government in some detail. In substance it means this: We are seeking by this Resolution to pay salaries to the two new Lords of Appeal the same as are paid to the four Lords of Appeal under the ordinary powers of the Appellate Jurisdiction Act of 1876. This proposal of the Government is to put the two new Lords in exactly the same position as the present Law Lords, and that they shall receive the same amount. It is very curious that on the last occasion when we were discussing this on Second Reading, and when I had already explained what the proposal of the Government was, my hon. Friend the Member for St. Pancras (Mr. Martin), said this. I am very glad the Government have decided to put the salaries of the judges at £6,000, and to provide that each additional judge performing these duties shall get £6,000 and 1736 should receive the same as the other judges. The conclusion the Government came to was not to make any distinction between the Law Lords appointed under this Bill and those appointed under the earlier Act. All we are doing at the present moment is seeking power from the Committee to pay the judges these salaries, and it is right that they should be paid at the same rate as the other four Lords of Appeal in Ordinary.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSI explained that on the Second Reading. The original proposal was that they should be paid lower salaries and that led to a good deal of discussion and criticism. It was thought that there was no reason why, if you are to appoint two new Law Lords to do exactly the same duties as the present Law Lords, that the salaries should be reduced unless the House intended to reduce the whole of the salaries. Moreover, on the second Bill introduced in 1912 it was suggested that the clerks to the Law Lords should be paid through the Law Lords. After a considerable amount of consideration and reflection the conclusion the Government came to was—and it was approved by all my colleagues—that the salaries should be the same with regard to the two new Law Lords as in respect to the four Law Lords, and that is the proposal we are now putting forward, and all we ask is that there should be power under the Resolution to pay them salaries the same. I have no objection to the limiting words so long as the limiting words enable us to pay these salaries. The hon. Baronet has proposed limiting words of £12,000, instead of £10,000, which would enable us to pay salaries of £6,000 to each. There never was any intention of paying more, and I think the limiting words the hon. Baronet proposes are quite acceptable to the Government, and I shall accept them.
§ Sir A. MARKHAMI should like to say a few words in reference to the speech of the hon. Member for Blackfriars (Mr. Barnes). In the first place, the Report to which he referred the Committee, signed by his colleague, has nothing whatever to do with this Bill. It was in reference to the King's Bench and not to the Appellate Jurisdiction Court. Of course, I should like to say that the Labour party when we divided the House voted for a pension of 1737 £3,500 for a man who only served fifteen months upon the bench. I ask the Attorney-General if these limiting words were placed in the Bill would that prevent the Government of the day giving pensions of £3,500 to a judge who sat for a few days only.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSThe limiting proposals here affect salaries only. The words of the Amendment proposed by my hon. Friend apply only to salaries, and the Amendment to the Amendment proposed by the hon. Baronet the Member for the City of London applies only to salaries. Pensions stand in exactly the same position as they did. We are making no change, we are placing them on exactly the same terms as judges' pensions stood hitherto. We are not making any alteration of any kind whatever.
§ Sir A. MARKHAMI think we will have to move an Amendment to that effect.
§ The CHAIRMANI should point out that these Amendments are much more appropriate to the Committee on the Bill than to the Money Resolution. I have already an Amendment handed to me dealing with pensions. It might be possible in that manner to raise a Debate or discussion of the whole Bill upon the Money Resolution. That is a most undesirable practice and this Debate cannot range over the whole scope of the Bill.
§ Sir A. MARKHAMMay I draw your attention, Mr. Whitley, to the fact that under the Appellate Jurisdiction Act of 1876, if my memory serves me right, I think it is Clause 56, there is power given to the Government to give pensions or not as they think fit. The word "may" is introduced. It is in the discretion of the Government. What I want to say is that power should be with this House and not with the Government of the day.
§ The CHAIRMANThat is no doubt a very good point and a very pertinent one to the Bill when we arrive at it, but we are not on the Bill at the present time.
§ Mr. BUTCHERI think it is extremely satisfactory that the Attorney-General has yielded upon a very important question of principle. The Financial Resolution as it stands is absolutely unlimited, and it would empower the Government to pay any salary or pension. Now, as I understand it, the Attorney-General has properly appreciated the force of the conten- 1738 tion of my hon. Friend the Member for the City of London, and is willing to put limiting words into the Bill as regards salaries. I think that is not quite enough and I think the Attorney-General will probably see that the same reasons which make it desirable to limit the amount of the salaries would make it desirable in this Resolution to limit the amount of the pensions, and I would suggest that the best form of Amendment would be somewhat in this effect, to insert at the end of the proposed Amendment: "Provided that the pensions and salaries to be granted to any Lord of Appeal appointed under this Act shall in no case exceed the amount which might be granted as pension and salary to any Lord of Appeal in Ordinary."
§ Sir A. MARKHAMOn a point of Order, Mr. Whitley. You have already ruled that I was not in order on this matter. Is the hon. and learned Member now entitled to move that Amendment?
§ The CHAIRMANThe hon. Member for York has handed in the Amendment to which I just now referred. It is really an Amendment to the Bill. As the Committee will have full opportunity of dealing with and inserting these restrictions, if it sees fit, I do venture to say that to try to turn this stage into a Committee on the Bill is not in the real interest of hon. Members, and is a most undesirable practice. With regard to the particular Amendment handed in, that could not he moved until the other one has been disposed of, and I would suggest to the Committee that it would be better to defer the whole matter until we come to the Committee stage of the Bill.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSI am ready to give an undertaking that no further sums shall be asked for than the pensions already granted under the Act as they stand. We have no desire to increase pensions. All we wish is that the same pensions should be granted as are at present in existence. I ask the hon. Member to rest content with that undertaking on behalf of the Government, and any question which arises upon it can be discussed in Committee.
§ Sir A. MARKHAMWill the right hon. Gentleman give us an assurance that he will accept some limit to provide that the pension of £3,500 will not be payable until a judge has served at least three years?
§ The CHAIRMANThat is a point which will be more properly raised in Committee.
§ Mr. BUTCHERThis is really more than accepting a question of Amendment, because there is a matter of principle raised. I suggest that when the House is in Committee, in order to pass a Financial Resolution, sanctioning a charge upon the public funds, it is extremely desirable to put some limit upon that charge. As the Resolution stands, there is no limit whatsoever on the charge——
§ The CHAIRMANThe only question now before the Committee is the question as between the word "ten" and the word "twelve," which is the Amendment proposed by the hon. Baronet.
§ Mr. BUTCHERI was speaking upon the Amendment as proposed to be amended, and I was urging upon the Attorney-General that it would be appropriate not merely to have this undertaking, but to put some limiting words in the Resolution.
§ The CHAIRMANThe only question is whether in the Amendment, the word "ten" should stand, or whether it should be left out, and the word "twelve" inserted in lieu thereof.
§ Mr. CHARLES ROBERTSrose in his place, and claimed to move "That the Question be now put," but the Chairman withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.
§ Mr. HENRY TERRELLIn a Debate on these Resolutions the matter cannot be debated in full because we are restricted at every turn, and it is impossible to raise the question as to whether £6,000 is sufficient, or whether the pensions are sufficient, or whether both salaries and pensions ought to be more or less. Therefore, we are having a curtailed Debate upon a vital matter limiting the powers of this House, whereas if the Resolution passes in the form in which it appears on the Paper, then the House when it comes to the Committee Stage can deal with the whole matter in a full Debate. It is
§ impossible to deal with the matter in this way. The Resolution moved by the hon. Member for Glasgow (Mr. Watt)—
§ The CHAIRMANI am afraid the hon. and learned Member has mistaken the point. The only question now is between the "ten" and the "twelve," and we must get rid of that question before we can discuss any other matter.
Mr. J. HOPEI desire to say that if the hon. Member for Glasgow presses his Amendment to a Division I shall support him, because I object altogether to the Appellate Jurisdiction of the House of Lords ——
§ The CHAIRMANThat does not arise on the question of "ten" or "twelve."
Mr. J. HOPEI object to the whole system on principle, but I shall vote for the lesser sum. I think it is time some protest was made against a system which leads to such misconception, and on that ground I shall vote for the Amendment.
§ Mr. MACMASTERI believe in judges being paid proper salaries, and I apply the same rule to every other employment in life. This is a question, however, between "ten" and "twelve." For my part, I am against both, because I consider this addition perfectly unnecessary.
§ Mr. WATTThis is a question as between £10,000 and £12,000. May I remind the Committee that in 1911 the view of the Government was that the salary should be £5,000, and in 1912 that was still their view? In 1913 it is the view of the Government that the salary should be raised to £6,000, and there is no explanation why the Government has changed its view. [An HON. MEMBER: "Cost of living."] My proviso carries out the view held by the Government in 1911 and 1912, because it limits the amount to £10,000, and if it accepted these judges will receive £5,000 each instead of £6,000.
Question put, "That the word 'ten' stand part of the proposed Amendment."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 75; Noes, 386.
1743| Division No. 136.] | AYES. | [6.54 p.m. |
| Adamson, William | Barton, William | Brace, William |
| Alden, Percy | Bigland, Alfred | Brocklehurst, William B. |
| Baker, Joheph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Black, Arthur W. | Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) |
| Barnes, George N. | Booth, Frederick Handel | Chapple, Dr. William Allen |
| Barrie, H. T. | Bowerman, C. W. | Clive, Captain Percy Archer |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Hudson, Walter | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Jewett, Frederick William | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | Kellaway, Frederick George | Snowden, Philip |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Dixon, C. H. | Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) | Sutton, John E. |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Duncannon, Viscount | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Thomas, James Henry |
| Glanville, H. J. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North) |
| Goldsmith, Frank | Parker, James (Halifax) | Thorne, William (West Ham) |
| Goldstone, Frank | Perkins, Walter F. | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Gretton, John | Pointer, Joseph | Wardle, George J. |
| Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | Pringle, William M. R. | Williams, John (Glamorgan) |
| Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Rendall, Atheistan | Winfrey, Richard |
| Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) | Wing, Thomas |
| Hinds, John | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon) |
| Hogge, James Myles | Rolleston, Sir John | |
| Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Rowlands, James | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Watt and Sir A. Markham. |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Fitzgibbon, John |
| Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) | Cassel, Felix | Flavin, Michael Joseph |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Cator, John | Fletcher, John Samuel |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Cautley, H. S. | Forster, Henry William |
| Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. | Cave, George | Furness, Sir Stephen Wilson |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) | Gardner, Ernest |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Gastrell, Major W. Houghton |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Chancellor, H. G. | Gilmour, Captain John |
| Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) | Clancy, John J. | Gladstone, W. G. C. |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Clay, Captain H. H. Spender | Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Clough, William | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major William | Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Goldman, C. S. |
| Archer-Shee, Major M. | Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Collins, Sir Stephen (Lambeth) | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Greene, W. R. |
| Baird, J. L. | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City, Lond.) | Cotton, William Francis | Greig, Colonel J. W. |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Griffith, Ellis Jones |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Craik, Sir Henry | Guest, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian | Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Cripps, Sir C. A. | Gulland, John William |
| Barnston, Harry | Crooks, William | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) |
| Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) | Crumley, Patrick | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) |
| Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) | Cullinan, John | Hackett, J. |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) | Dairymple, Viscount | Haddock, George Bahr |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) | Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensingten, S.) |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardiganshire) | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Dawes, J. A. | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Delany, William | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) |
| Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) | Denman, Hon. R. D. | Harris, Henry Percy |
| Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, S. Gee.) | Denison-Ponder, J. C. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Devlin, Joseph | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry |
| Bethell, Sir John Henry | Dewar, Sir J. A. | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Bird, Alfred | Dickinson, W. H. | Hazleton, Richard |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Dillon, John | Helmsley, Viscount |
| Blair, Reginald | Donelan, Captain A. | Henry, Sir Charles |
| Boland, John Pius | Doris, William | Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Doughty, Sir George | Hewins, William Albert Samuel |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith | Duffy, William J. | Hibbert, Sir Henry F. |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Duke, Henry Edward | Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. |
| Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Higham, John Sharp |
| Boyton, James | Edwards, Clement (Glamoran, E.) | Hills, John Waller |
| Brady, P. J. | Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Hill-Wood, Samuel |
| Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Hoare, S. J. G. |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Hogg, David C. |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Essex, Sir Richard Walter | Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Esslemont, George Birnie | Holmes, Daniel Turner |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Hope, Harry (Bute) |
| Bull, Sir William James | Falconer, James | Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Fell, Arthur | Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford) |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Ffrench, Peter | Hughes, Spencer Leigh |
| Butcher, John George | Field, William | Hume, Williams, Wm. Ellis |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Hunt, Rowland |
| Camplon, W. R. | Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Ingleby, Holcombe | Needham, Christopher Thomas | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | Neilson, Francis | Sandys, G. J. |
| John, Edward Thomas | Neville, Reginald J. N. | Sassoon, Sir Philip |
| Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Sw'nsea) | Newdegate, F. A. | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | Newman, John R. P. | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | Newton, Harry Kottingham | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) | Sheehy, David |
| Joyce, Michael | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) | Sherwell, Arthur James |
| Keating, Matthew | Nolan, Joseph | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Alisebrook |
| Kelly, Edward | Norman, Sir Henry | Smith, Harold (Warrington) |
| Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Norton, Captain Cecil W. | Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) |
| Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Norton-Griffiths, J. | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) |
| Kerry, Earl of | Nuttall, Harry | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Kilbride, Denis | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert |
| King, J. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | O'Doherty, Philip | Starkey, John Ralph |
| Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | O'Donnell, Thomas | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | O'Dowd, John | Steel-Maitland, A. D. |
| Lane-Fox, G. R. | Ogden, Fred | Stewart, Gershom |
| Lardner, James C. R. | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) | Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) |
| Larmor, Sir J. | O'Malley, William | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) |
| Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | Sutherland, J. E. |
| Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. | Swift, Rigby |
| Leach, Charles | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Lee, Arthur Hamilton | O'Shee, James John | Tennant, Harold John |
| Levy, Sir Maurice | O'Sullivan, Timothy | Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) |
| Lewisham, Viscount | Paget, Almeric Hugh | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) |
| Lloyd, George Butler (Shrewsbury) | Palmer, Godfrey Mark | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) | Thynne, Lord A |
| Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Touche, George Alexander |
| Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Toulmin, Sir George |
| Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Lundon, T. | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Tryon, Captain George Clement |
| Lynch, A. A. | Peel, Lieut.-Colonel R. F. | Tullibardine, Marquess of |
| Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) | Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Valentia, Viscount |
| McGhee, Richard | Pollock, Ernest Murray | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Mackinder, Halford J. | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. | Wadsworth, J. |
| Maclean, Donald | Pretyman, Ernest George | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Price, Sir R. J. (Norfolk, E.) | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) | Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Macpherson, James Ian | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| M'Calmont, Major Robert C. A. | Raffan, Peter Wilson | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| M'Curdy, C. A. | Randles, Sir John S. | Webb, H. |
| McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Raphael, Sir Herbert H. | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) | Rawson, Col. Richard H. | White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) |
| Malcolm, Ian | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Marks, Sir George Croydon. | Reddy, M. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Mason, James F. (Windsor) | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| Meagher, Michael | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Richards, Thomas | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix) | Roberts, Charles (Lincoln) | Williamson, Sir Archibald |
| Menzies, Sir Walter | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) | Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Mildmay, Francis Bingham | Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Millar, James Duncan | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid) |
| Molloy, Michael | Robinson, Sidney | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) |
| Molteno, Percy Alport | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) | Winterton, Earl |
| Money, L. G. Chiozza | Roche, Augustine (Louth) | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Montagu, Hon. E. S. | Roe, Sir Thomas | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glasgow) |
| Mooney, J. J. | Ronaldshay, Earl of | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Morgan, George Hay | Rothschild, Lionel de | Yate, Colonel C. E. |
| Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | Rowntree, Arnold | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. | Younger, Sir George |
| Morison, Hector | Rutherford. John (Lancs., Darwen) | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Mount, William Arthur | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) | |
| Muldoon, John | Samuel Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.)—Mr. G. Howard and Captain Guest. |
| Munro, R. | Samuel, Samuel (Wandsworth) | |
| Murphy, Martin J. | Sanders, Robert Arthur |
§ Question put, "That the word 'twelve' be there inserted."
1744§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 372; Noes, 65.
1747| Division No. 137.] | AYES. | [7.7 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Anstruther-Gray, Major William |
| Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) | Agnew, Sir George William | Archer-Shee, Major M. |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Ainsworth, John Stirling | Ashley, W. W. |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbartonshire) | Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry |
| Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. | Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Baird, J. L. |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Donelan, Captain A. | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City, Lond.) | Doris, William | Kerry, Earl of |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Doughty, Sir George | Kilbride, Denis |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick | Duffy, William J. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Duke, Henry Edward | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Duncannon, Viscount | Lane-Fox, G. R. |
| Barnston, Harry | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Lardner, James C. R. |
| Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Larmor, Sir J. |
| Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Boner (Bootle) |
| Barton, William | Essex, Sir Richard Walter | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) | Esslemont, George Birnie | Leach, Charles |
| Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) | Falconer, James | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Fell, Arthur | Lewisham, Viscount |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Lloyd, George Butler (Shrewsbury) |
| Beckett, Han. Gervase | Ffrench, Peter | Locker-Lampoon, O. (Ramsey) |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Field, William | Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. |
| Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) |
| Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, St. Geo.) | Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes | Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Fitzgibbon, John | Lundon, T. |
| Bethell, Sir John Henry | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Lynch, A. A. |
| Bigland, Alfred | Fletcher, John Samuel | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) |
| Bird, A. | Forster, Henry William | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Furness, Sir Stephen Wilson | McGhee, Richard |
| Blair, Reginald | Gastrell, Major W. H. | Mackinder, Halford J. |
| Boland, John Pius | George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T J. |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Gilmour, Captain John | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith | Gladstone, W. G. C. | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North | Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. | M'Calmont, Major Robert C. A. |
| Boyton, James | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | M'Curdy, C. A. |
| Brady, Patrick Joseph | Goldman, C. S. | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | M'Micking, Major Gilbert |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Goulding, Edward Alfred | M'Neill, Ronald, (Kent, St. Augustine's) |
| Brocklehurst, William B. | Grant, J. A. | Marks, Sir George Croydon |
| Brunner, John F. L. | Greene, W. R. | Mason, David M. (Coventry) |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Mason, James F. (Windsor) |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Greig, Colonel J. W. | Meagher, Michael |
| Bull, Sir William James | Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Griffith, Ellis Jones | Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix) |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Guest, Hon. Major C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Menzies, Sir Walter |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury, S. Edmunds) | Mildmay, Francis Bingham |
| Butcher, John George | Gulland, John William | Millar, James Duncan |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Molloy, Michael |
| Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Molteno, Percy Alport |
| Campion, W. R. | Hackett, J. | Money, L G. Chiozza |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Montagu, Hon. E. S. |
| Cassel, Felix | Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) | Money, John J. |
| Cater, John | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Morgan, George Hay |
| Cautley, H. S. | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) |
| Cave, George | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) |
| Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | Morison, Hector |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Harris, Henry Percy | Mount, William Arthur |
| Chancellor, Henry George | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Muldoon, John |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | Munro, R. |
| Clay, Capt. H. H. Spender | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Murphy, Martin J. |
| Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Hayden, John Patrick | Needham, Christopher Thomas |
| Clough, William | Hazleton, Richard | Neville, Reginald J. N. |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Helmsley, Viscount | Newdegate, F. A. |
| Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) | Henry, Sir Charles | Newman, John R. P. |
| Collins, Sir Stephen (Lambeth) | Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Hewins, William Albert Samuel | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hibbert, Sir Henry F. | Nield, Herbert |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. | Nolan, Joseph |
| Cotton, William Francis | Higham, John Sharp | Norman, Sir Henry |
| Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Norton, Captain Cecil W. |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Hoare, S. J. G. | Norton-Griffiths, J. |
| Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Hogg, David C. | Nuttall, Harry |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Hohler, G. F. | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Crichton Stuart, Lord Ninion | Holmes, Daniel Turner | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Cripps, Sir C. A. | Hope, Harry (Bute) | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Crumley, Patrick | Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) | O'Donnell, Thomas |
| Cullinan, John | Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) | O'Dowd, John |
| Dairymple, Viscount | Hughes, Spencer Leigh | Ogden, Fred |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Hume-Williams, William Ellis | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardiganshire) | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Malley, William |
| Dawes, J. A. | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Delany, William | Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Denison-Pender, J. C. | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | O'Shee, James John |
| Denniss, E. R. B. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Devlin, Joseph | Joyce, Michael | Paget, Almeric Hugh |
| Dewar, Sir J. A. | Keating, Matthew | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Kelly, Edward | Pearce, William (Limehouse) |
| Dillon, John | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) |
| Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on Tees) | Tullibardine, Marquess of |
| Perkins, Walter F | Sanders, Robert Arthur | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| Philips, Col. Ivor (Southampton) | Sanderson, Lancelot | Valentia, Viscount |
| Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Sandys, G. J. | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Pollock, Ernest Murray | Sassoon, Sir Philip | Wadsworth, J. |
| Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. | Scanlan, Thomas | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Pretyman, Ernest George | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| Price, Sir J. (Norfolk, E.) | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. | Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid) |
| Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) | Sheehy, David | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Pryce-Jones, Col. E. | Sherwell, Arthur James | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Raffan, Peter Wilson | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Randles, Sir John | Smith, Rt. Hon. F. E. (L'p'l., Walton) | Webb, H. |
| Raphael, Sir Herbert H. | Smith, Harold (Warrington) | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | Smith, H. B. Lees (Northampton) | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Rawson, Col. Richard H. | Smyth, Thomas (Leitrim) | White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston) |
| Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) | Soames, Arthur Wellesley | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Reddy, M. | Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert | White, Patrick (Meath North) |
| Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Starkey, John Ralph | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) | Staveley-Hill, Henry | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| Richards, Thomas | Steel-Maitland, A. D. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Stewart, Gershom | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) | Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid) |
| Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) | Sutherland, J. E. | Winterton, Earl |
| Robinson, Sidney | Swift, Rigby | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) | Talbot, Lord E. | Wood, Rt. Hon T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Roche, Augustine (Louth) | Tennant, Harold John | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Roe, Sir Thomas | Terrell, George (Wilts, N.W.) | Yate, Colonel. C. E. |
| Rolleston, Sir John | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| Ronaldshay, Earl of | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) | Younger, Sir George |
| Rothschild, Lionel de | Thynne, Lord A. | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Rowntree, Arnold | Touche, George Alexander | |
| Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. G. Howard and Captain Guest. |
| Samuel Rt. Hon. H. J. (Cleveland) | Tryon, Captain George Clement | |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, William | Hinds, John | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Alden, Percy | Hogge, James Myles | Rowlands, James |
| Barnes, George N. | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
| Barrie, H. T. | Houston, Robert Paterson | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. |
| Black, Arthur W. | Hudson, Walter | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | John, Edward Thomas | Snowden, Philip |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Brace, William | Jowett, Frederick William | Sutton, John E. |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Kellaway, Frederick George | Taylor, John (Durham) |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | King. J. | Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Thomas, James Henry |
| Crooks, William | Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) | Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North) |
| Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Malcolm, Ian | Wardle, George J. |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Watt, Henry Anderson |
| Elverston, Sir Harold | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Wiles, Thomas |
| Glanville, H. J. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
| Goldsmith, Frank | Parker, James (Halifax) | Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Goldstone, Frank | Pointer, Joseph | Wing, Thomas |
| Gretton, John | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) | |
| Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | Pringle, William M. R. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir |
| Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Rendall, Athelstan | A. Markham and Mr. W. Thorne. |
| Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
Question, "That the words, as amended, be there added," put, and agreed to.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSrose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
Question put, "That the Question be now put."
§ Mr. BUTCHER(seated and covered): I handed in an Amendment to the Motion, and I was under the impression that you were about to call upon me before putting the main Question. Am I not right in supposing that it would have been proper 1748 for you to have called on me to move my Amendment before you put the main Question?
§ The CHAIRMANWhen the Question was claimed to be moved, "That the Question be now put," I accepted that Motion, and that, of course, excluded the hon. and learned Member from moving his Amendment.
§ Mr. BUTCHERWould it not have been proper that, before the Closure was moved by the Attorney-General, you should have called on me to move my Amendment? That Amendment was 1749 handed in long before the Closure was moved, and I venture to submit the proper course would have been to call on my Amendment before the Closure was moved.
§ The CHAIRMANThat is not so. Mr. Attorney-General rose at the same moment