§ 15. Sir C. KINLOCH-COOKEasked whether the Department has received any protest from the naval shipwrights relative to the new conditions of pay and service; whether the right hon. Gentleman is aware that these new conditions deprive naval shipwrights of certain advantages promised to them on joining unless they are prepared to give up the right of reverting to the dockyards after completing twelve years' service; whether he is aware that a boy entering the Navy as a shipwright from the dockyard under the new agreement is practically in a worse position than a man joining from outside, seeing that on entering the outside man immediately becomes a petty officer, while it takes a naval apprentice from the age of eighteen one or two years in the yard and twelve months in the Navy as leading seaman, making two or three years altogether, before he can get first-class petty officer rating; and whether, in the circumstances, he will reconsider the recent changes in the naval shipwright ratings so as to bring them more into line with the traditions governing service in His Majesty's Navy?
§ Dr. MACNAMARANo protest has been received since the issue of the circular letter giving the conditions in detail, of which I sent the hon. Gentleman a copy, 1313 though I received a telegram alluding to one aspect of the question on the day of the issue of the circular. The answer to the second part of the question is in the negative. As regards the third part, a man who enters the Navy as shipwright from outside will do so as petty officer. He must be over twenty-one. Boys who are trained for shipwrights in the dockyards enter between fourteen and sixteen, would be rated leading seaman between nineteen and twenty-one, and petty officer between twenty and twenty-two. The age for attaining petty officer rating averages the same in each case. The answer to the fourth part is in the negative. The changes made are very favourable to the men who accept them, as I have already explained. In fact, I may say that the amount spent on the shipwrights is proportionately greater than on any other class.
§ Sir C. KINLOCH-COOKEIs the right hon. Gentleman aware that the alternative offered by the Admiralty to the shipwrights is to their disadvantage?
§ Dr. MACNAMARANo; I do not know that I could accept that.
§ Sir C. KINLOCH-COOKEWill the right hon. Gentleman accept from me a statement showing the incorrectness of his reply?
§ Dr. MACNAMARAThe reply I gave the hon. Gentleman on the 13th of this month was a detailed statement of the new pay, and I repeat that the changes made were very favourable to the men, and certainly of the money spent, this class, having regard to its numbers, received a greater proportion than any other class.
§ Lord C. BERESFORDIs the right hon. Gentleman aware that the shipwrights regard the arrangement as very unfair, and that they were forced to sign a paper damaging to their future prospects, and, as they consider, against their original contract?
§ Dr. MACNAMARAThey were asked to choose the new scale and give up the right to go back to the yard or stick to the old scale. We have taken care to secure that if they do go back to the yard the establishment shall be open to them, over and above the existing establishment.
§ Lord C. BERESFORDIs the right hon. Gentleman aware that only about forty-six 1314 out of 600 shipwrights have been got to sign the paper, and will the right hon. Gentleman kindly deal with that question? I have carefully looked into the matter, and it looks as if it was really unfair to the men who are asked to sign against their original contract?
§ Dr. MACNAMARAMy expectation is that the circular letter which was issued will deal with all these matters of detail, and will remove all those misapprehensions. I certainly give an undertaking to look into the matter.
§ Sir C. KINLOCH-COOKEWill the right hon. Gentleman allow a certain specified time to elapse before captains of vessels force the men to sign the paper?
§ Dr. MACNAMARACaptains of vessels do not force the men at any time. It is at the men's option to sign or not to sign.