§ (1) For the purpose of the provisions of this Act with respect to existing officers 1535 there shall be established a Committee to be called the Civil Service Committee.
§ (2) The Committee shall consist of three members, of whom one shall be appointed by the Treasury, one by the Executive Committee, and one (who shall be chairman) by the Lord Chief Justice of England.
§ (3) Any vacancy arising in the Committee owing to the death, resignation, or incapacity of a member of the Committee shall be filled by the authority by whom the member whose place is vacant was appointed.
§ (4) The determination of the Civil Service Committee on any claim or question which is to be determined by them under the provisions of this Act relating to existing officers shall be final and conclusive.
1536§ Government Amendment made: "In Sub-section (3), leave out the words" owing to the death, resignation, or incapacity of a member of the Committee."—[Mr. Birrell.]
§ Government Amendment proposed: Insert at end of Sub-section (3), the words,
§ "(4) The Committee may act by any two members, and, subject to the provisions of this Act, the Committee may regulate their own procedure."—[Mr. Birrell.]
§ Question put, "That the Amendment be made."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 287; Noes, 172.
1539| Division No. 507.] | AYES. | [10.52 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Dawes, J. A. | Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.) |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | De Forest, Baron | Helme, Sir Norval Watson |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Delany, William | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) |
| Alden, Percy | Devlin, Joseph | Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) |
| Alien, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) | Dickinson, W. H. | Henry, Sir Charles |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Donelan, Captain A. | Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) |
| Arnold, Sydney | Doris, William | Higham, John Sharp |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Duffy, William J. | Hinds, John |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Hodge, John |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Edwards Sir Francis (Radnor) | Hogge, James Myles |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) | Holmes, Daniel Turner |
| Barnes, George N. | Elverston, Sir Harold | Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich) |
| Barton, William | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Hudson, Walter |
| Beauchamp, sir Edward | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Hughes, S. L. |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Essex, Sir Richard Walter | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Benn, W. W. (T. H'mts., St. George) | Esslemont, George Birnle | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Falconer, J. | John Edward Thomas |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Farrell, James Patrick | Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | John, H. Haydn (Merioneth) |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Ffrench, Peter | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) |
| Brace, William | Field, William | Jones, Leif Straiten (Notts, Rushcliffe) |
| Brady, P. J. | Fitzgibbon, John | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) |
| Brocklehurst, William B. | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney) |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Furness, Stephen | Joyce, Michael |
| Bryce, J. Annan | George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd | Keating, M. |
| Burke, E. Havlland- | Gilhooly, James | Kellaway, Frederick George |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Gill, A. H. | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Ginnell, L. | Kilbride, Denis |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, N.) | Gladstone, W. G. C. | King, J. |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) | Glanville, H. J. | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (S. Molton) |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Goldstone, Frank | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) |
| Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) | Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Griffith, Ellis J. | Leach, Charles |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Clough, William | Guiney, Patrick | Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Gulland, John William | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Hackett, J. | Lundon, T. |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hancock, John George | Lyell, Charles Henry |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) | Lynch, A. A |
| Cotton, William Francis | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Hardie, J. Keir | McGhee, Richard |
| Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | Harmsworth, R. L. (Catthness-shire) | Maclean, Donald |
| Crean, Eugene | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. |
| Crooks, William | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) |
| Crumley, Patrick | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Cullinan, John | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | M'Callum, Sir John M. |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Hayden, John Patrick | M'Kean, John |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Hayward, Evan | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol- S.) | Hazleton, Richard | M'Micking, Major Gilbert |
| Manfield, Harry | Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) |
| Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Marks, Sir George Croydon | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert |
| Marshall, Arthur Harold | Pointer, Joseph | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, W.) |
| Martin, Joseph | Pollard, Sir George H. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Meagher, Michael | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Meehan, Francis E. (Leltrim, N.) | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) | Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) |
| Menzies, Sir Walter | Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) | Tennant, Harold John |
| Middlebrook, William | Pringle, Wiliam M. R. | Thomas, James Henry |
| Millar, James Duncan | Radford, G. H. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Molloy, Michael | Raffan, Peter Wilson | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Molteno, Percy Alport | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander' |
| Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz | Reddy, M. | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Morrell, Philip | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Wadsworth, J. |
| Morison, Hector | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) | Walters, Sir John Tudor |
| Munro, Robert | Rendall, Athelstan | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. | Richards, Thomas | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Nannetti, Joseph P. | Richardson, Albion (Peckham) | Wardle, George J. |
| Needham, Christopher T. | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Neilson, Francis | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Watt, Henry A. |
| Nolan, Joseph | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) | Webb, H. |
| Norton, Captain C. W. | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) | White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston) |
| Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Robinson, Sidney | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Roche, Augustine (Louth) | Whyte, A. F. |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Roe, Sir Thomas | Wiles, Thomas |
| O'doherty, Philip | Rose, Sir Charles Day | Wilkie, Alexander |
| O'Donnell, Thomas | Rowlands, James | Williams, John (Glamorgan) |
| O'Dowd, John | Rowntree, Arnold | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| O'Grady, James | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. | Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough) |
| O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) | Williamson, Sir A. |
| O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) |
| O'Malley, William | Scanian, Thomas | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. Mckinnon (Glas.) |
| O'Shaughncssy, P. J. | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) | Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.) |
| O'Shee, James John | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| O'Sullivan, Timothy | Sheehy, David | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Outhwaite, R. L. | Sherwell, Arthur James | |
| Palmer, Godfrey Mark | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. |
| Parker, James (Halifax) | Smith, Albert (Lanes., Clitheroe) | G. Howard and Captain Guest. |
| Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Chambers, James | Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Harris, Henry Percy |
| Baird, J. L. | Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Harrison-Broadley, H. B. |
| Balcarres, Lord | Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Hewins, William Albert Samuel |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Craik, Sir Henry | Hill-Wood, Samuel |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Criehton-Stuart, Lord Ninlan | Hoare, S. J. G. |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Dairymple, Viscount | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) |
| Barnston, Harry | Denniss, E. R. B. | Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) |
| Barrie, H. T. | Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott | Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford) |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Doughty, Sir George | Horner, Andrew Long |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Duke, Henry Edward | Houston, Robert Paterson |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Hume-Williams, William Ellis |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Faber, George Denison (Clapham) | Hunt, Rowland |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Falle, Bertram Godfray | Ingleby, Holcombe |
| Bigland, Alfred | Fell, Arthur | Jessel, Captain Herbert M. |
| Bird, A. | Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey | Joynson-Hicks, William |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr |
| Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. | Kerry, Earl of |
| Boyton, James | Fleming, Valentine | Keswick, Henry |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Forster, Henry William | Kimber, Sir Henry |
| Surdett-Coutts, W. | Gardner, Ernest | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Gibbs, G. A. | Larmor, Sir J. |
| Butcher, John George | Gilmour, Captain John | Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H' mts., Mile End) |
| Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Goldsmith, Frank | Lewisham, Viscount |
| Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) | Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | Lloyd, George Ambrose |
| Camplon, W. R. | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) |
| Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. | Grant, J. A. | Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. |
| Cassel, Felix | Greene, W. R. | Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee |
| Cator, John | Gretton, John | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo., Hart. S.) |
| Cautley, H. S. | Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) |
| Cave, George | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Haddock, George Bahr | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) | Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Malcolm, Ian |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Hall, Fred (Dulwich) | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. |
| Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. | Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth) | Mildmay, Francis Bingham |
| Moore, William | Rawson, Col. Richard H. | Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) |
| Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | Rees, Sir J. D. | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) |
| Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) | Rolleston, Sir John | Touche, George Alexander |
| Mount, William Arthur | Royds, Edmund | Tryon, Captain George Clement |
| Newdegate, F. A. | Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) | Valentia, Viscount |
| Newman, John R. P. | Rutherford, Watson (L'pool., W. Derby) | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Newton, Harry Kottingham | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) | Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid) |
| Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) | Sanders, Robert Arthur | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Norton-Griffiths, J. | Sandys, G. J. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) | Sassoon, Sir Philip | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Winterton, Earl |
| Ormsby-Gorc, Hon. William | Spear, Sir John Ward | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) | Stanier, Boville | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) | Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) | Wright, Henry Fitzherbert |
| Peel, Capt. R. F. | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Perkins, Walter Frank | Starkey, John Ralph | Yate, Col. C. E. |
| Peto, Basil Edward | Steel-Maitland, A. D. | |
| Pollock, Ernest Murray | Stewart, Gershom | |
| Pryce-Jones, Col. E. | Strauss, Arthur (Paddington) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
| Quilter, sir William Elsy C. | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) | J. Mason and Mr. S. Roberts. |
| Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | Talbot, Lord E. |
Question put, and agreed to.