HC Deb 03 January 1913 vol 46 cc787-91

(1) Subject to such appeal as is hereinafter mentioned the Welsh Commissioners shall have full power to decide all questions, whether of law or of fact, which it may be necessary to decide for the purposes of this Act, and shall not be subject to be restrained in the due execution of their powers under this Act by the order of any Court, nor shall any proceedings before them be removed by certiorari into any Court.

(2) The Welsh Commissioners with respect to—

  1. (a) enforcing the attendance of witnesses, after a tender of their expenses, the examination of witnesses, and the production of deeds, books, papers, and documents;
  2. (b) issuing any commission for the examination of witnesses;
  3. (c) punishing persons refusing to give evidence or to produce documents, or guilty of contempt in the presence of the Commissioners or any of them sitting in open Court; and
  4. (d) making or enforcing any order made by them for carrying into effect this Act;

shall have all such powers, rights, and privileges as are vested in the High Court for such or the like purposes, and all proceedings before the Commissioners shall in law be judicial proceedings before a Court of Record.

(3) The Welsh Commissioners may review and rescind or vary any order or decision previously made by them or any of them; but save as aforesaid, and as by this Act provided, every order or decision of the Welsh Commissioners shall be final.

(4) They shall make general rules for regulating their procedure under this Act, and generally for securing the due execution of their powers, and giving effect to this Act. All such general rules shall be submitted to His Majesty the King in Council for confirmation, and when so confirmed, with or without modifications, shall be laid before both Houses of Parliament, and shall have effect as if enacted by this Act.

(5) They shall in each year make a Report to the Secretary of State of their proceedings under this Act, and this Report shall be laid before Parliament.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 236; Noes, 119.

Division No. 487.] AYE5. [5.4 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) Delany, William
Adamson, William Byles, Sir William Pollard Denman, Hon. R. D.
Alden, Percy Carr-Gomm, H. W. Devlin, Joseph
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Cawley, H. T. (Lancs., Heywood) Dillon, John
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Chancellor, H. G. Donelan, Captain A.
Atherley-Jones Llewellyn A. Chapple, Dr. William Allen Doris, A.
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Clancy, John Joseph Duffy, William J.
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Clough, William Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)
Barnes, G. N. Collins, G. P. (Greenock) Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.)
Beale, Sir William Phipson Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid)
Beck, Arthur Cecil Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.)
Bentham, G. J. Condon, Thomas Joseph Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Cornwall, Sir Edward A. Essex, Sir Richard Walter
Boland, John Plus Cotton, William Francis Esslemont, George Birnie
Booth, Frederick Handel Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Falconer, J.
Bowerman, C. W. Crean, Eugene Farrell, James Patrick
Boyle, D. (Mayo, North) Crooks, William Ffrench, Peter
Brace, William Crumley, Patrick Field, William
8rady, P. J. Cullinan, J. Fitzgibbon John
Bryce, J. Annan Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Flavin, Michael Joseph
Burke, E. Haviland- Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Gilhooly, James
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardiganshire) Ginnell, L.
Glanville, Harold James Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Goldstone, Frank MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Macpherson, James lan Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Griffith, Ellis J. MacVeagh, Jeremiah Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) M'Callum, Sir John M. Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Guiney, P. M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) Robinson, Sidney
Gulland, John William Marks, Sir George Croydon Roch, Walter F.
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Marshall, Arthur Harold Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Hackett, J. Martin, Joseph Rose, Sir Charles Day
Hancock, John George Mason, David M. (Coventry) Rowlands, James
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) Meagher, Michael Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Meehan, Francis (Leitrim, N.) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Millar, James Duncan Scanlan, Thomas
Hayden, John Patrick Molloy, M. Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Hazleton, Richard Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
Healy, Maurice (Cork) Morgan, George Hay Sheehy, David
Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) Morrell, Philip Sherwell, Arthur James
Hemmerde, Edward George Morison, Hector Shortt, Edward
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook
Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) Muldoon, John Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton)
Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) Munro, R. Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Higham, John Sharp Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. Snowden, Philip
Hinds, John Nannetti, Joseph P. Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Neilson, Francis Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
Hodge, John Nolan, Joseph Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.)
Hogge, James Myles Norton, Captain Cecil W. Sutherland, J. E.
Holmes, Daniel Turner Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Sutton, John E.
Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey O'Brien, William (Cork) Tennant, Harold John
Hudson, Walter O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Thomas, J. H.
Hughes, S. L. O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Illingworth, Percy H. O'Doherty, Philip Thorne, William (West Ham)
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus O'Donnell, Thomas Ure, Rt. Hon Alexander
John, Edward Thomas O'Dowd, John Verney, Sir Harry
Jones, Rt. Hon.Sir D.Brynmor (Swansea) O'Grady, James Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) O'Malley, William Wardle, George J.
Jones, Leif Stratten (Rushcliffe) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Waring, Walter
Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Joyce, Michael O'Shee, James John Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Keating, Matthew O'Suillvan, Timothy Webb, H.
Kellaway, Frederick George Outhwaite, R. L. White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Kennedy, Vincent Paul Parker, James (Halifax) White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
Kilbride, Denis Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
King, J. Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Pointer Joseph Wilkie, Alexander
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Power, Patrick Joseph Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Leach, Charles Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Lewis, John Herbert Pringle, William M. R. Williamson, Sir Archibald
Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Radford, G. H. Young, William (Perth, East)
Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich) Raffan, Peter Wilson Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Lundon, Thomas Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Lynch, A. A. Redmond, William (Clare, E.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
McGhee, Richard Richards, Thomas
Aitken, Sir William Max Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Gastrell, Major W. H.
Amery, L. C. M. S. Cassel, Felix Gibbs, G. A.
Astor Waldorf Costlereagh, Viscount Glazebrook, Capt. Philip K.
Baird, J. L. Cator, John Gordon, John (Londonderry, South)
Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) Cave, George Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton)
Banbury. Sir Frederick George Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Goulding, Edward Alfred
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Greene, W. R.
Barnston, Harry Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Gretton, John
Barrie, H. T. Chambers, J. Haddock, George Bahr
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Hall, Fred (Dulwich)
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Clive, Captain Percy Archer Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.)
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Craik, Sir Henry Harris, Henry Percy
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Cripps, Sir Charles Alfred Harrison-Broadley
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) Helmsley, Viscount
Beresford, Lord C. Denniss, E. R. B. Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Blair, Reginald Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Hewins, William Albert Samuel
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffth- Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Hickman, Colonel T. E.
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Hoare, Samuel John Gurney
Boyton, James Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy
Bridgeman, W. Clive Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Horne, W. E. (Surrey, Guildford)
Bull, Sir William James Fletcher, John Samuel Horner, Andrew Long
Burdett-Coutts, W. Forster, Henry William Hunt, Rowland
Burn, Colonel C. R. Gardner, Ernest Jessel, Captain H. M.
Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Newman, John R. P. Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Larmor, Sir J. Newton, Harry Kottingham Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Norton-Griffiths, john Swift, Rigby
Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central)
Lloyd, G. A. Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Talbot, Lord E.
Locker-Lampoon, G. (Salisbury) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Terrell, H. (Guolcester)
Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) Perkins, Walter F. Touche, George Alexander
Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Peto, Basil Edward Tryon, Captain George Clement
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover S.) Pollock, Ernest Murray Wheler, Granville C. H.
MacCaw. Wm. J. MacGeagh Rawlinson, J. F. P. White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Macmaster, Donald Rawson, Col. R. H. Winterton, Earl
M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Rees, Sir J. D. Worthington-Evans, L.
Malcolm, Ian Rolleston, Sir John Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Salter, Arthur Clavell Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Moore, William Sanders, Robert A. TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Viscount
Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Spear, Sir John Ward Wolmer and Mr. Ormsby-Gore.
Mount, William Arthur Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)

Question put, and agreed to.