§ (1) Where any cathedral or ecclesiastical corporation dissolved by this Act holds any property in trust for any charitable purpose, the property shall on the dissolution of the corporation vest in the Welsh Commissioners, and the Commissioners shall, on the request of the representative body, transfer the property to that body or to persons appointed by them, subject to the trusts affecting the same, and under the same supervision, local or otherwise, as heretofore, or as near thereto as the circumstances of the case will admit.
§ (2) Where any ecclesiastical persons are immediately before the date of Disestablishment in right of their offices entitled to be members of any bodies constituted for the management of any private Endowment, or trustees for the management of property belonging to institutions or private foundations for purposes not ecclesiastical, then the persons (if any) who may hereafter at any time discharge duties similar or analogous to those now discharged by those ecclesiastical persons shall be entitled to succeed in their room and to be members of such bodies and to act as such trustees.
2135§ Government Amendments made: In Sub-section (2), after the word "be" ["in right of their offices entitled to be"], insert the words "trustees of any property held in trust for any charitable purpose or." After the word "ecclesiastical" ["for purposes not ecclesiastical"]; insert the words "or to exercise any control or to give any consent or approval in respect of any trust, Endowment, foundation or institution." After the word "persons" ["discharged by those ecclesiastical persons"], insert the words "and in succession to them." After the word "trustees" ["and to act as such trustees"], insert the words "and to
2136§ exercise such control and give such consent or approval."—[Mr. McKenna.]
§ Government Amendment proposed: In Sub-section (2), at the end add the words,
§ "Provided that the bishops of the Church in Wales shall not as such continue to be Ecclesiastical Commissioners or Governors of Queen Anne's Bounty."—[Mr. McKenna.]
§ Question put, "That the Amendment be made."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 280; Noes, 167.
2139| Division No. 572.] | AYES. | [10.45 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Dewar, Sir J. A. | Hogge, James Myles |
| Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) | Dickinson, W. H. | Holmes, Daniel Turner |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Dillon, John | Holt, Richard Durning |
| Adamson, William | Donelan, Captain A. | Hope, John Deans (Haddington) |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Doris, William | Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich) |
| Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. | Duffy, William J. | Hudson, Walter |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Hughes, S. L. |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Duncan, J, Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Alden, Percy | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus |
| Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) | Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Jardine, Sir John (Roxburgh) |
| Arnold, Sydney | Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) | John, Edward Thomas |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Elverston, Sir Harold | Jones, Rt.Hon.Sir D.Brynmor (Sw'nsea) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Essex, Sir Richard Walter | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) |
| Barnes, George N. | Esslemont, George Birnle | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) |
| Barton, William | Falconer, J. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Farrell, James Patrick | Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Joyce, Michael |
| Benn, W. W. (T. H'mts., St. George) | Firench, Peter | Keating, M. |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Field, William | Kellaway, Frederick George |
| Bethell, Sir J. H. | Fitzgibbon, John | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Kilbride, Denis |
| Boland, John Plus | George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd | King, J. |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Gill, A. H. | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (S. Molton) |
| Brace, William | Glanville, H. J. | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) |
| Brady, P. J, | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe |
| Brocklehurst, William B. | Goldstone, Frank | Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Leach, Charles |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) | Levy, Sir Maurice |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Greig, Colonel James William | Lewis, John Herbert |
| Burke, E. Havlland- | Griffith, Ellis J. | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Lundon, T. |
| Burt. Rt. Hon. Thomas | Gulland, John William | Lyell, Charles Henry |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Lynch, A. A. |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Hackett, J. | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hall, Frederick (Normanton) | McGhee, Richard |
| Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) | Hancock, John George | Maclean, Donald |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Hardie, J. Keir | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) |
| Clough, William | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | Macpherson, James Ian |
| Clynes, John R. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah |
| Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | M'Callum, Sir John M. |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | M'Mlcking, Major Gilbert |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A, | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Marks, Sir George Croydon |
| Cotton, William Francis | Hayden, John Patrick | Marshall, Arthur Harold |
| Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Hayward, Evan | Martin, Joseph |
| Crawshay-Williams, Ellot | Hazleton, Richard | Meagher, Michael |
| Crumley, Patrick | Healy, Maurice (Cork) | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) |
| Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) | Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) | Middlebrook, William |
| Davies, Ellis William (Eiflon) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Millar, James Duncan |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Molloy, Michael |
| Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Henry, Sir Charles | Molteno, Percy Alport |
| Dawes, J. A. | Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) | Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz |
| De Forest, Baron | Higham, John Sharp | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
| Delany, William | Hinds, John | Mooney, John J. |
| Denman, Hon. R. D. | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. | Morgan, George Hay |
| Devlin, Joseph | Hodge, John | Morrell, Philip |
| Morison, Hector | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Muldoon, John | Reddy, M. | Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) |
| Munro, Robert | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Tennant, Harold John |
| Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Thomas, James Henry |
| Needham, Christopher T. | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Nolan, Joseph | Rendall, Athelstan | Thorne, William (West Ham) |
| Norton, Captain C. W. | Richards, Thomas | Verney, Sir Harry |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Richardson, Albion (Peckham) | Wadsworth, J. |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| O'Doherty, Philip | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| O'Dowd, John | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) |
| O'Grady, James | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| O'Malley, William | Robinson, Sidney | Watt, Henry A. |
| O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) | Webb, H. |
| O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Roche, Augustine (Louth) | Wedgwood, Josiah c. |
| O'Shee, James John | Roe, Sir Thomas | White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston) |
| O'Sullivan, Timothy | Rose, Sir Charles Day | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Outhwaite, R. L. | Rowlands, James | Whitehouse, John Howard |
| Palmer, Godfrey Mark | Rowntree, Arnold | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Parker, James (Halifax) | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. | Whyte, A. F. |
| Parry, Thomas H. | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Scanlan, Thomas | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Sheehy, David | Williams, John (Glamorgan) |
| Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Sherwell, Arthur James | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Shortt, Edward | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) |
| Pointer, Joseph | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Ailsebrook | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Ponsonby. Arthur A. W. H. | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) | Winfrey, Richard |
| Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) | Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| Primrose, Hon. Neil James | Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Pringle, William M. R. | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, W.) | |
| Radford, G. H. | Sutherland, J. E. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. G. Howard and Captain Guest. |
| Raffan, Peter Wilson | Sutton, John E. | |
| Raphael, Sir Herbert H. | ||
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Cripps, Sir C. A. | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Dalrymple, Viscount | Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford |
| Ashley, Wilfrid W. | Doughty, Sir George | Kyffin-Taylor, G. |
| Astor, Waldorf | Duke, Henry Edward | Lane-Fox, G. R. |
| Baird, J. L. | Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. | Larmor, Sir J. |
| Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) | Falle, Bertram Godfray | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Fell, Arthur | Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts., Mile End) |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Lewisham, Viscount |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) |
| Barnston, Harry | Fleming, Valentine | Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. |
| Barrie, H. T. | Forster, Henry William | Long, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Gardner, Ernest | Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Gibbs, G. A. | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo.,Han. S.) |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Gilmour, Captain John | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth] | Goldsmith, Frank | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. |
| Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Mildmay, Francis Bingham |
| Bigland, Alfred | Grant, J. A. | Morrison-Bell. Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) |
| Bird A. | Greene, W. R. | Mount, William Arthur |
| Blair, Reginald | Guinness. Hon.W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) | Neville, Reginald J. N. |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Guinness. Hon. Rupert (Essex, S.E.) | Newdegate, F. A. |
| Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Newman, John R. P. |
| Boyton, James | Hall, Frederick (Dulwich) | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hall, Marshall (E. Toxteth) | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Harris. Henry Percy | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Butcher, John George | Harrison-Broadley, H. B. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) | Helmsley. Viscount | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) |
| Campion, W. R. | Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) | Peel, Captain R. F. |
| Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred | Hewins, William Albert Samuel | Perkins, Walter Frank |
| Cassel, Felix | Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. | Peto, Basil Edward |
| Cator, John | Hill, Sir Clement L. | Pole-Carew, Sir R. |
| Cave, George | Hills, John Waller | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Pretyman, E. G. |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) | Hoare, S. J. G. | Pryce-Jones, Colonel E. |
| Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. |
| Clay, Captain H. H. Spender | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Randies, Sir John S. |
| Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) | Rawilnson, John Frederick Peel |
| Clyde, James Avon | Home, E. (Surrey, Guildford) | Rawson, Col. Richard H. |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Hunt, Rowland | Rees, Sir J. D. |
| Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Hunter, Sir Chas. Rodk. | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Courthope, George Loyd | Ingleby, Holcombe | Roberts. S. (Sheffield, Ecclesail) |
| Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Royds, Edmund |
| Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Kerry, Earl of | Rutherford, John (Lanes., Darwen) |
| Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian | Kimber, Sir Henry | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
| Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) | Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Sanders, Robert Arthur | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) | Wills, Sir Gilbert |
| Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Thynne, Lord A. | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Spear, Sir John Ward | Touche, George Alexander | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Stanler, Beville | Tullibardine, Marquess of | Wright, Henry Fitzherbert |
| Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) | Valentia, Viscount | Yate, Colonel C. E. |
| Starkey, John Ralph | Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford) | Yerburgh, Robert A. |
| Stewart, Gershom | Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid) | Younger, Sir George |
| Strauss, Arthur (Paddington) | Wheler, Granville C. H. | |
| Talbot, Lord E. | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir H. Craik and Mr. Hills. |
| Terrell, George (Wilts, N.W.) | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |