HC Deb 04 August 1913 vol 56 cc1210-3

  1. (1) The district of the School Board of Glasgow (hereinafter referred to as "the Board") shall, for the purpose of every election of the Board taking place after the passing of this Act, be divided into three electoral divisions, viz., a north-east division as defined in the First Schedule to this Act, for which division eight members shall be elected; a north-west division as defined in the Second Schedule to this Act, for which division nine members shall be elected; and a south division as defined in the Third Schedule to this Act, for which division eight members shall be elected.
  2. (2) The election in each division shall be carried out as if the members to be elected for that division were themselves, alone to constitute the Board.
  3. (3) Every elector shall be entitled to a number of votes equal to the number of members to be elected for the division in which he votes, and may give all such votes to one candidate for that division, or may distribute them among the candidates for that division, as he sees fit.
  4. (4) An elector shall not at any election vote in more than one division.
  5. (5) The election shall take place on the same day in each of the three divisions.
  6. (6) The same person shall act as returning officer for each of the three divisions, and the total expenses incident to the election for the three divisions shall be deemed to be the expenses incident to the election of the Board.
  7. (7) The members returned for the three divisions shall together constitute the Board as if those members had been returned in and for an undivided district.

Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSON

I beg to Move to leave out Sub-section (3) which sets up in each of the three divisions the existing system of the cumulative vote. There is in the whole of Glasgow at the present moment one cumulative vote spread over the whole city. Under this Bill there will be three separate divisions each with its own cumulative vote. I am not going to argue the merits of the question at all; the merits are well known to every Member who is interested in electoral questions. May I say that as regards the representation of the minority, I feel very strongly the taunt and the temper of the speech of the right hon. Gentleman. He taunted me with interfering in Scottish measures. I might remind him I have lived a great deal longer in Scotland than he has, that I was not imported there for office, and that my qualifications and temper are at least as good as those of the right hon. Gentleman. So far as the minority are concerned there is very little difference between those two different methods of representation. I am personally one of those who think that the method of proportional representation is a fairer method altogether than the existing method. I may be quite wrong,

but if I am wrong that is no reason why I should be called a bigot. A man may be a supporter of proportional representation without being justly accused, I hope, of bigotry or intolerance. Anything which appears to me less connected with the subject than the suggestion of the hon. Member for the Blackfriars Division (Mr. Barnes) cannot well be imagined. I should like to take the opinion of the House on this question.

Mr. WALTER GUINNESS

I beg leave to second the Amendment.

Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 195; Noes, 33.

Division No. 256.] AYES. [11.58 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Glanville, Harold James Marks, Sir George Croydon
Acland, Francis Dyke Goldstone, Frank Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Greig, Colonel James William Meagher, Michael
Ainsworth, John Stirling Griffith, Ellis Jones Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Meehan, Patrick J. (Queen's Co., Leix)
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Gulland, John William Millar, James Duncan
Barnes, George N. Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Molloy, Michael
Beale, Sir William Phipson Hackett, John Mooney, John J.
Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. George) Hall, Frederick (Yorks, Normanton) Morgan, George Hay
Bentham, George Jackson Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Muldoon, John
Boland, John Pius Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Luton, Beds) Munro, Robert
Booth, Frederick Handel Hayden, John Patrick Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Bowerman, Charles W. Hazleton, Richard Neilson, Francis
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Henry, Sir Charles Nolan, Joseph
Brace, William Higham, John Sharp Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Brady, Patrick Joseph Hinds, John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Brocklehurst, William B. Hodge, John O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Brunner, John F. L. Hogue, James Myles O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Bryce, John Annan Holmes, Daniel Turner O'Doherty. Philip
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Holt, Richard Durning O'Donnell, Thomas
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hudson, Walter O'Dowd, John
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) Hughes, Spencer Leigh O'Grady, James
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Illingworth, Percy H. O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)
Chancellor, Henry George Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus O'Malley, William
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Clancy, John Joseph Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Clough, William Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Shee, James John
Clynes, John R. Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney) O'Sullivan, Timothy
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Joyce, Michael Parker, James (Halifax)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Keating, Matthew Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Kelly, Edward Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Cotton, William Francis Kennedy, Vincent Paul Pointer, Joseph
Crumley, Patrick Kilbride, Denis Pollard, Sir George H.
Cullinan, John King, Joseph Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Lardner, James C. R. Pringle, William M. R.
Dawes, James Arthur Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rid, Cockerm'th) Radford, George Heynes
Delany, William Leach, Charles Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Devlin, Joseph Levy, Sir Maurice Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Lewis, Rt. Hon. John Herbert Reddy, Michael
Dillon, John Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich) Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Doris, William Lundon, Thomas Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Duffy, William J. Lyell, Charles Henry Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Lynch, Arthur Alfred Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) McGhee, Richard Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Mackinder, Halford J. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Maclean, Donald Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Ffrench, Peter Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Field, William MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Roche, Augustine (Louth, N.)
Fitzgibbon, John Macpherson, James Ian Rowlands, James
Flavin, Michael Joseph MacVeagh, Jeremiah Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
France, Gerald Ashburner M'Callum, Sir John M. Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Gill, Alfred Henry McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Scanlan, Thomas
Gladstone, W. G. C. Manfield, Harry Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Sheehy, David Toulmin, Sir George Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Shortt, Edward Trevelyan, Cahries Philips Williamson, Sir Archibald
Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John A. Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) Verney, Sir Harry Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Wadsworth, John Wing, Thomas Edward
Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.) Walters, Sir John Tudor Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glasgow)
Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) Waring, Walter Young, William (Perth, East)
Talbot, Lord Edmund Webb, H. Younger, Sir George
Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Tennant, Harold John Whitehouse, John Howard TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.Geoffrey Howard and Captain Guest.
Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) Whyte, Alexander F. (Perth)
NOES.
Baird, John Lawrence Henderson, Sir A. (St. Geo., Han. Sq.) Stanley, Major Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Hills, John Waller Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Hill-Wood, Samuel Terrell, Henry (Gloucester)
Barnston, Harry Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Thynne, Lord Alexander
Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) Hunt, Rowland Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Bridgernan, William Clive M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Cassel, Felix Malcolm, Ian White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Cautley, Henry Strother O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Dalrymple, Viscount Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Duke, Henry Edward Pollock, Ernest Murray TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Mitchell-Thomson and Mr. Walter Guinness.
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Pryce-Jones. Colonel E.
Gibbs, George Abraham Sanders, Robert Arthur
Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)

Question put, and agreed to.