HC Deb 27 November 1912 vol 44 cc1435-41

For the purposes of this Act the withdrawal in whole or in part of an exemption from a tax shall be treated as the imposition of an addition to or as the increase of a tax, and the grant or extension of an exemption from a tax shall be treated as a reduction of a tax, and any other alteration of the provisions with respect to any tax in consequence of which the proceeds of the tax are increased or diminished shall be treated as an increase or reduction of the tax, as the case may be.

Question put, "That the Clause be added to the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 311; Noes, 189.

Division No. 356.] AYES. [10.53 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Elverston, Sir Harold Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th)
Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Leach, Charles
Acland, Francis Dyke Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Levy, Sir Maurice
Adamson, William Essex, Richard Walter Lewis, John Herbert
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Falconer, James Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Agnew, Sir George William Farrell, James Patrick Low, Sir F. (Norwich)
Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lundon, T.
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Ffrench, Peter Lyell, Charles Henry
Arnold, Sydney Field, William Lynch, A. A.
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Flennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Fitzgibbon, John McGhee, Richard
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Flavin, Michael Joseph Maclean, Donald
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) France, Gerald Ashburner Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Gill, A. H. MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Barnes, George N. Ginnell, L. Macpherson, James Ian
Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) Gladstone, W. G. C. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) Glanville, H. J. M'Callum, Sir John M.
Barton, William Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford M'Kean, John
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Beck, Artnur Cecil Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, S. Geo.) Griffith, Ellis Jones M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs, Spalding)
Bentham, George Jackson Guest, Hon. Major C. H. C. (Pembroke) Manfield, Harry
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Agustine Gulland, John William Marks, Sir George Croydon
Black, Arthur W. Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Marshall, Arthur Harold
Boland, John Pius Hackett, J. Martin, J.
Booth, Frederick Handel Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Mason, David M. (Coventry)
Bowerman, C. W. Hancock, John George Meagher, Michael
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Brace, William Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Menzies, Sir Walter
Brady, P. J. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Millar, James Duncan
Brocklehurst, Willam B. Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Molloy, Michael
Bryce, J. Annan Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Molteno, Percy Alport
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz
Burke, E. Haviland- Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Money, L. G. Chlozza
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Mooney, John J.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Morgan, George Hay
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Hayden, John Patrick Morrell, Philip
Byles, Sir William Pollard Hayward, Evan Morison, Hector
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hazleton, Richard Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Helme, Sir Norval Watson Muldoon, John
Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Monro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C.
Chancellor, H. G. Henry, Sir Charles Nannetti, Joseph P.
Chapple, Dr. W. A. Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.) Needham, Christopher Thomas
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Higham, John Sharp Neilson, Francis
Clancy, John Joseph Hinds, John Nicholson, Sir C. N. (Doncaster)
Clough, William Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Nolan, Joseph
Clynes, John R. Hodge, John Norton, Captain Cecil W.
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Hogge, James Myles Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Holmes, Daniel Turner Nuttall, Harry
Condon, Thomas Joseph Holt, Richard Durning O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Hope, John Deans (Haddington) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Cotton, William Francis Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Craig, Herbert J (Tynemouth) Hudson, Walter O'Doherty, Philip
Crooks, William Hughes, Spencer Leigh O'Donnell, Thomas
Crumley, Patrick Illingworth, Percy H. Ogden, Fred
Cullinan, John Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus O'Grady, James
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) John, Edward Thomas O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Sw'nsea) O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.)
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Malley, William
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Dawes, J. A. Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
De Forest, Baron Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Shee, James John
Delany, William Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Sullivan, Timothy
Denman, Hon. R. D. Jones, William S. Glyn-(Stepney) Outhwaite, R. L.
Devlin, Joseph Jowett, Frederick William Palmer, Godfrey Mark
Dickinson, W. H. Joyce, Michael Parker, James (Halifax)
Dillon, John Keating, Matthew Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Donelan, Captain A. Kellaway, Frederick George Pearce, William (Limehouse)
Doris, William Kennedy, Vincent Paul Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Duffy, William J. Kilbride, Denis Phillips, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) King, J. Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Pirie, Duncan V.
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Pointer, Joseph
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Pollard, Sir George H.
Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Power, Patrick Joseph Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Wardie, George J.
Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Samuel, J. (Stockton) Waring, Waiter
Price, Sir R. J. (Norfolk, E.) Scanlan, Thomas Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford) Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Pringle, William M. R. Sheehy, David Watt, Henry Anderson
Radford, G. H. Sherwell, Arthur James Webb, H.
Raffan, Peter Wilson Shortt, Edward White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston)
Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Simon, Sir John Allsebrook White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Smith, Albert (Lancs, Clitheroe) Whitehouse, John Howard
Reddy, M. Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Redmond, William (Clare) Soames, Arthur Wellesley Wiles, Thomas
Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert Wilkie, Alexander
Rendall, Athelstan Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Richards, Thomas Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Sutherland, John E. Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Sutton, John E. Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Taylor, John W (Durham) Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) Winfrey, Richard
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) Tennant, Harold John Wood, Rt Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Robinson, Sidney Thomas, James Henry Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.)
Roch, Walter F. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) Young, W. (Perthshire, E.)
Roche, Augustine (Louth) Touimin, Sir George Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Roche, John (Galway, E.) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Roe, Sir Thomas Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Rose, Sir Charles Day Verney, Sir Harry TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Rowlands, James Wadsworth, J. Howard and Capt. Guest.
Rowntree, Arnold Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Ingleby, Holcombe
Amery, L. C. M. S. Denniss, E. R. B. Jessel, Capt. H. M.
Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. Doughty, Sir George Kebty-Fletcher, J. R.
Ashley, W. W. Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr
Astor, Waldorf Fell, Arthur Kerry, Earl of
Balcarres, Lord Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Kimber, Sir Henry
Baldwin, Stanley Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Fleming, Valentine Lane-Fox, G. R.
Barnston, H. Forster, Henry William Larmor, Sir J.
Barrie, H. T. Foster, Philip Staveley Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle)
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Gardner, Ernest Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End)
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Gastrell, Major W. Houghton Lee, Arthur Hamilton
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Gibbs, G. A. Lewisham, Viscount
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Gilmour, Captain John Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Goldman, C. S. Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Beresford, Lord C. Goldsmith, Frank Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R.
Bigland, Alfred Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) Long, Rt. Hon. Walter
Bird, A. Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee
Blair, Reginald Goulding, Edward Alfred Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston)
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Greene, W. R. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Boyton, James Gretton, John MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh
Bridgeman, W. Clive Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) McNeill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Bull, Sir William James Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Malcolm, Ian
Burdett-Coutts, W. Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Mcysey-Thompson, E. C.
Burn, Colonel C. R. Haddock, George Bahr Middlemore, John Throgmorton
Butcher, John George Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Campbell, Captain Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) Hall, Fred (Dulwich) Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Hamersley, Alfred St. George Moore, William
Campion, W. R. Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington) Mount, William Arthur
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Neville, Reginald J. N.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Newman, John R. P.
Cassel, Felix Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Newton, Harry Kottingham
Castlereagh, Viscount Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield)
Cave, George Hewins, William Albert Samuel Nield, Herbert
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid.)
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Hill, Sir Clement L. Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Hills, John Waller Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) Hill-Wood, Samuel Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)
Chambers, James Hohler, G. F. Parkes, Ebenezer
Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry Hope, Harry (Bute) Peel, Capt. R. F.
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Peto, Basil Edward
Clyde, J. Avon Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Horne, Wm. (Surrey, Guildford) Pollock, Ernest Murray
Courthope, George Loyd Horner, Andrew Long Pretyman, Ernest George
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Houston, Robert Paterson Pryce-Jones, Col. E.
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Hume-Williams, Wm. Ellis Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Hunt, Rowland Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Craik, Sir Henry Hunter, Sir C. R. Rawson, Col. Richard H.
Rees, Sir J. D. Starkey, John Ralph White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Remnant, James Farquharson Steel-Maitland, A. D. Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Stewart, Gershom Wills, Sir Gilbert
Rolleston, Sir John Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, N.) Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.)
Ronaldshay, Earl of Swift, Rigby Winterton, Earl
Rothschild, Lionel de Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon)
Royds, Edmund Talbot, Lord E. Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.) Worthington-Evans, L.
Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) Terrell, Henry (Gloucester) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Down, North) Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Sanders, Robert A. Thynne, Lord A. Yate, Colonel C. E.
Sanderson, Lancelot Touche, George Alexander Yerburgh, Robert A.
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Tryon, Captain George Clement Younger, Sir George
Smith, Harold (Warrington) Valentia, Viscount
Stanier, Beville Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Colonel
Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Wheler, Granville C. H. Boles and Mr. Walrond.

Question put, and agreed to.

Committee report Progress; to sit again upon Monday next (2nd December).