HC Deb 11 November 1912 vol 43 cc1713-5
42. Captain MURRAY

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that drivers of motor vehicles not infrequently make excessive use of warning instruments; and whether the terms of reference to the Committee which he is about to appoint will include an investigation into this subject?

Mr. McKENNA

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. In regard to the second part it will be open to the Committee to consider the matter so far as it bears on the occurrence of accidents.

65. Mr. KELLAWAY

asked if the reference to the Committee on London Motor Omnibus Traffic will include the question of the damage done to the road surface and to property adjoining the routes used by the omnibuses?

Mr. McKENNA

The answer is in the negative.

Mr. KELLAWAY

Is my right hon. Friend aware that there is a widespread feeling amongst local authorities owing to the way the rates are increased by damage to the road surface and will not the reference include the possibility of that matter being considered?

Mr. McKENNA

This question may be considered later. The hon. Member presses me to lose no time in putting a stop to accidents, and therefore we propose, first of all, to address ourselves to the question of accidents.

Dr. ADDISON

Will the Inquiry not also include the damage to shopkeepers and others caused by the fixing of routes?

Mr. McKENNA

That may be a question for later discussion, but at the present time we have to dispose of the question of accidents.

Mr. CHIOZZA MONEY

Will the Committee have power to consider the routes in relation to accidents?

Mr. McKENNA

That will obviously depend upon the routes taken so far as liability to accident is concerned.

Mr. JOHN O'CONNOR

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he does not consider it well to discourage these questions by refusing to make answers while the question is sub judice before a Committee of this House?

Mr. McKENNA

The Committee has not yet been appointed. As soon as it has been appointed I will bear in mind what the hon. Gentleman has said.

66. Mr. KELLAWAY

asked how many persons have been killed in the London police area, including the City, since 1st January last by motor omnibuses belonging to the London General Omnibus Company?

Mr. McKENNA

For the Metropolitan Police district and the City combined the figures are 125, from the 1st January to the end of October.

Mr. KELLAWAY

Has not any director of this company been held responsible in any way for these 125 deaths in ten months?

Mr. JOHN WARD

Is not that very nearly a man every other day? Surely it is surprising.

Mr. McKENNA

It must be a question of law as to liability.

Mr. KELLAWAY

Will the right hon. Gentleman refer to the Law Officers of the Crown the fact that 125 deaths have occurred in the case of this one trust or company alone, and also the evidence given at the inquests that the terms on which the men are paid is an inducement to them to drive furiously?

Mr. McKENNA

I do not think those questions are relevant to the matter. Besides, the mere fact that the trust is so very largo to some extent explains the number of accidents.

Mr. MORRELL

Will the right hon. Gentleman consult the Law Officers?

Mr. JOHN O'CONNOR

On a point of Order. May I ask, Sir, whether the questions that are now being answered by the Home Secretary are not prejudging the matter, which is referred to a Committee of this House?

Mr. SPEAKER

As long as the Home Secretary confines himself to a statement of facts, I do not see how that can be so.

67. Mr. KELLAWAY

asked how many persons have been killed in the London police area, including the City, since the 1st January last by each of the following classes of vehicles: Motor omnibuses, taxi- cabs, all other classes of motor vehicles, mechanically propelled trams, and horse-drawn vehicles, respectively?

Mr. McKENNA

For the period from 1st January to the end of October the figures are as follows:—

Mechanically propelled trams 23
Motor omnibuses 143
Taxi-cabs 29
Other motor vehicles 109
Horse-drawn vehicles 124

71. Sir J. D. REES

asked how many persons were killed in London by other than motor-drawn vehicles, e.g., horse-drawn vehicles and non-motor bicycles and tricycles, in London in October; and whether the Home Department compares the mortality arising in both cases?

Mr. McKENNA

The figures for the Metropolitan Police district are:—

By carts and vans 10
By omnibuses 1
By broughams 1
By cycles 1
The cycle accident which resulted in a person being killed occurred in September, but the death took place in October. The comparative mortality arising from different classes of vehicles is published every year in an appendix to the Report of the Commissioner of Police, and a Return has been issued annually since 1908 from the Home Office showing fatal and non-fatal accidents caused by different classes of motor and horse-drawn vehicles.

Sir J. D. REES

Has not the motor omnibus service proved of great utility?

Mr. SPEAKER

That is a matter of argument.