HC Deb 20 March 1912 vol 35 cc1867-9
Mr. ROYDS

asked whether the valuation of land is still proceeding on the basis that, for the purpose of arriving at site value, no deduction is made in respect of stone walls and dykes, but is made in respect of live fences?

The FINANCIAL SECRETARY to the TREASURY (Mr. Masterman)

Subject to possible exceptions in cases where the stone walls or dykes are appurtenant to or used in connection with a building the answer to the hon. Member's question is in the affirmative.

Mr. ROYDS

Will the hon. Gentleman say why properties of precisely the same value are for the purposes of the Finance Act being valued at entirely different amounts?

Mr. MASTERMAN

We are only carrying out the law under Section 25, Sub-section (2), of the Budget, 1910.

Mr. PRETYMAN

asked whether, where the original site values are minus quantities, no 10 per cent, allowance is given; and, if so, can he state the ground on which owners of this class of property are thus penalised?

Mr. MASTERMAN

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative; as regards the second part, the amount of the allowance must of necessity vary indefinitely according to the circumstances of the case, and will be reduced to a negligible quantity where the original site value is very small; the position of an owner of such land is no more favourable than that of an owner of land having a minus site value, but it is not true that in either case the owner is penalised.

Mr. ROYDS

Does not the hon. Gentleman consider that, to value any considerable part of the land of the United Kingdom as a minus quantity is a farce?

Mr. MASTERMAN

No. No land has been valued as a minus quantity. I am dealing with assessable site values. I am considering the question as to the necessity of registering minus values.

Mr. ROYDS

Is not the assessable site value the value of the land?

Mr. MASTERMAN

Assessable site value is the value of the site.

Mr. PRETYMAN

May we assume that assessable site value is a purely imaginary figure?

Mr. MASTERMAN

No; it is a figure arrived at by certain calculations, and from which certain other calculations being made have to be taken in order that the tax may be calculated.

Mr. PRETYMAN

asked whether, having regard to the referee's decision in the Palmer's Green case, he will give instructions that no further demands for duty shall be made where there has in fact been no rise in the value of the site?

Mr. MASTERMAN

The question at issue in the Palmer's Green case is common to several other cases which are the subjects of appeal, and no doubt the legal point involved will have to be decided by the High Court. My right hon. Friend does not, therefore, propose to give such instructions as the hon. Member suggests.

Mr. PRETYMAN

Will the hon. Gentleman see that a statement is made upon the form to the effect that the matter is still sub judice.

Mr. MASTERMAN

I cannot answer that off-hand. I will see what can be done.

Mr. PRETYMAN

Will he bear in mind this case was held without any publicity and that the public have no chance of getting information unless it is given by the Government?

Mr. MASTERMAN

I shall bear that in mind.

Mr. PRETYMAN

asked whether, in view of the referee's decision in the Richmond case that the valuation was incorrect by nearly 20 per cent., and also having regard to the official evidence that this valuation was checked with additional care, he will issue instructions that all the valuations already made shall be revised?

Mr. MASTERMAN

My right hon. Friend is unable to accept the hon. Member's suggestion.