HC Deb 20 March 1912 vol 35 cc1858-9
Mr. MIDDLEMORE

asked how many armoured ships and small cruisers were provided for in the Estimates for 1911–12; and how many of these ships would have been laid down by the end of that financial year?

Mr. CHURCHILL

The ships provided for in the 1911–12 programme were:—

  • One battle cruiser.
  • Four battleships.
  • Three second-class protected cruisers.
  • One unarmoured cruiser.
It is expected that all these ships will have been ordered by the end of this month.

Mr. MIDDLEMORE

Is it not misleading and almost farcical to order these ships at an interval of more than twelve months after they have been, sanctioned?

Mr. CHURCHILL

It has been for a long time the practice to allow a considerable period to elapse between the sanctioning of the programme by the House and the actual orders. A great deal of the time is necessarily taken up in considering the designs from every point of view. No smaller proportion of the programme was taken last year than in previous years.

Sir FORTESCUE FLANNERY

Is it the intention of the Admiralty to design their ships first and then come to the House for sanction, after the manner of the German Admiralty, and after the manner the British Admiralty have adopted with regard to the destroyers in this year's Estimates?

Mr. CHURCHILL

No. The object of the Admiralty is to wait until the last possible moment before designing a ship, in order to secure the latest improvements before building.

Mr. REMNANT

Can we anticipate that any of these ships will be given to the Thames Ironworks Company?

Mr. CHURCHILL

The Thames Ironworks Company will have a chance with other firms for the contracts of next year, which programme, as regards destroyers, is to come on at once.

Mr. REMNANT

Are the two ships which the right hon. Gentleman hoped to be able to give to the Thames Ironworks Company included in these?

Mr. CHURCHILL

No.

Mr. EYRES-MONSELL

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty, if he will state how many destroyers of the 1910–11 programme are completed; what was the average time taken for their completion; how many destroyers of the 1911–12 programme are laid down.; and when will they all be completed?

Mr. CHURCHILL

Nine destroyers of the 1910–11 programme have been completed, and the average time taken for their completion was eighteen and a half months from the date of order. The twenty destroyers of the 1911–12 programme have all been ordered. Thirteen should be completed before April, 1913, and the remainder before September, 1913.

Mr. EYRES-MONSELL

Will the right hon. Gentleman say how many have been laid down in the 1911–12 programme?

Mr. CHURCHILL

I have not got that figure on my answer, though I note from the question that perhaps I ought to have had it. If the hon. Gentleman will put down a question I will reply.

Mr. EYRES-MONSELL

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty what is the contract time, for the destroyers of this year's programme?

Mr. CHURCHILL

Of the twenty ordered, the contract time for the construction of—

  • 9 is 18 months each.
  • 7 is 17 months each.
  • 1 is 16½ months.
  • 2 is 16 months each.
  • 1 is 14 months.