HC Deb 29 July 1912 vol 41 cc1783-9

6. "That a sum, not exceeding £2,512,530, be granted to His Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1913, for Expenditure in respect of the Services included in Class III. of the Estimates for Civil Services, namely:

£
1. Law Charges 43,812
2. Miscellaneous Legal Expenses 23,194
3. Supreme Court of Judicature and Court of Criminal Appeal 184,632
4. Land Registry 23,471
5. Public Trustee 7
6. County Courts 3
£
7. Police, England and Wales 56,998
8. Prisons, England and the Colonies 376,550
9. Reformatory and Industrial Schools, Great Britain 147,474
10. Criminal Lunatic Asylums, England 51,154
Scotland.
11. Law Charges and Courts of Law 52,373
12. Scottish Land Court 5,600
13. Register House, Edinburgh 25,966
14. Prisons 59,776
Ireland.
15. Law Charges and Criminal Prosecutions 35,410
£
16. Supreme Court of Judicature and other Legal Departments 67,135
17. Irish Land Commission 386,147
18. County Court Officers, etc. 71,145
19. Dublin Metropolitan Police 36,466
20. Royal Irish Constabulary 747,389
21. Prisons 67,439

£
22. Reformatory and Industrial Schools 46,912
23. Dundrum Criminal Lunatic Asylum 3,477
£2,512,530"

Question put.

The Committee divided: Ayes, 309; Noes, 192.

Division No. 171.] AYES. [10.38 p.m
Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) Dawes, James Arthur Holt, Richard Durning
Acland, Francis Dyke De Forest, Baron Hope, John Deans (Haddington)
Addison, Dr. Christopher Delany, William Hughes, Spencer Leigh
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Denman, Hon. R. D. Illingworth, Percy H.
Agnew, Sir George William Devlin, Joseph Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus
Ainsworth, John Stirling Dickinson, W. H. Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh)
Alden, Percy Dillon, John Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Donelan, Captain A. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Doris, W. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Armitage, R. Duffy, William J. Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney)
Arnold, Sydney Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Jowett, Frederick William
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Joyce, Michael
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of Keating, Matthew
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Elverston, Sir Harold Kellaway, Frederick George
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Kelly, Edward
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Barnes, G. N. Essex, Richard Walter Kilbride, Denis
Barran, Sir J. N. (Hawick Burghs) Falconer, James King, J. (Somerset, North)
Barton, William Farrell, James Patrick Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S.Molton)
Beale, Sir William Phipson Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lansbury, George
Beck, Arthur Cecil Ffrench, Peter Lardner, James Carrige Rushe
Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, S. Geo.) Fitzgibbon, John Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Bentham, G. J. Flavin, Michael Joseph Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th)
Bethell, Sir John Henry France, G. A. Leach, Charles
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Furness, Stephen Levy, Sir Maurice
Black, Arthur W. Gelder, Sir William Alfred Lewis, John Herbert
Boland, John Pius George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Booth, Frederick Handel Gladstone, W. G. C. Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich)
Bowerman, C. W. Glanville, H. J. Lundon, Thomas
Boyle, D. (Mayo, N.) Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Lyell, Charles Henry
Brady, P. J. Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Lynch, A. A.
Brocklehurst, W. B. Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Brunner, J. F. L. Greig, Colonel J. W. Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Bryce, J. Annan Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward McGhee, Richard
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Griffith, Ellis J. Maclean, Donald
Burke, E. Haviland- Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Gulland, John W. MacNeill, John G. S. (Donegal, South)
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Hackett, J. Macpherson, James Ian
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) Hancock, J. G. McCallum, Sir John M.
Byles, Sir William Pollard Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs., Heywood) Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding)
Chancellor, H. G. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Manfield, Harry
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Clancy, John Joseph Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Clough, William Harwood, George Martin, J.
Clynes, John R. Maslam, James (Derbyshire) Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Collins, G. P. (Greenock) Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Meagher, Michael
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Hayden, John Patrick Middlebrook, William
Condon, Thomas Joseph Hayward, Evan Millar, James Duncan
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Hazleton, Richard (Galway, N.) Molloy, M.
Cory, Sir Clifford John Helme, Sir Norval Watson Molteno, Percy Alport
Cotton, William Francis Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) Mond, Sir Alfred M.
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Henry, Sir Charles S. Money, L. G. Chiozza
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) Montagu, Hon. E. S.
Crooks, William Higham, John Sharp Mooney, John J.
Crumley, Patrick Hinds, John Morgan, George Hay
Cullinan, J. Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Morrell, Philip
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Hodge, John Morison, Hector
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Hogge, James Myles Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Holmes, Daniel Turner Muldoon, John
Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. Pringle, William M. R. Sutton, John E.
Munro, R. Radford, George Heynes Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Hurray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Raffan, Peter Wilson Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Nannetti, Joseph P. Raphael, Sir Herbert H. Tennant, Harold John
Needham, Christopher Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Thomas, J. H. (Derby)
Neilson, Francis Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Thorne, G. (Wolverhampton)
Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) Reddy, Michael Thorne, William (West Ham)
Nolan, Joseph Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Toulmin, Sir George
Norman, Sir Henry Redmond, William (Clare E.) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Norton, Captain Cecil W. Rendall, Athelstan Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Nuttall, Harry Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Verney, Sir Harry
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Wadsworth, J.
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Walton, Sir Joseph
O'Dowd, John Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Ogden, Fred Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Wardle, George J.
O'Grady, James Roche, Augustine (Louth) Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Roe, Sir Thomas Webb, H.
O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Rowlands, James Wedgwood, Josiah C.
O'Malley, William Rowntree, Arnold White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E.R.)
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
O'Shee, James John Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
O'Sullivan, Timothy Samuel, Sir Stuart M. (Whitechapel) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Scanlan, Thomas Wiles, Thomas
Parker, James (Halifax) Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Wilkie, Alexander
Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Scott, A. MacCallum (Bridgeton) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Pearce, William (Limehouse) Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Sheehy, David Williamson, Sir A.
Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Sherwell, Arthur James Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Pirie, Duncan V. Shortt, Edward Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Pointer, Joseph Simon, Sir John Allsebrook Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs. N.)
Pollard, Sir George H. Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Winfrey, Richard
Power, Patrick Joseph Snowden, Philip Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Soames, Arthur Wellesley Young, W. (Perthshire, E.)
Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N.W.)
Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Summers, James Woolley TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Primrose, Hon. Nell James Sutherland, J. E. G. Howard and Captain Guest.
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cave, George Hall, Fred (Dulwich)
Amery, L. C. M. S. Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hamersley, Alfred St. George
Archer-Shee, Major M. Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Harris, Henry Percy
Ashley, Wilfrid W. Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Harrison-Broadley, H. B.
Astor, Waldorf Clay, Capt. H. H. Spender Helmsley, Viscount
Bagot, Lieut.-Colonel J. Clive, Captain Percy Archer Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Baird, J. L. Clyde, James Avon Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.)
Baicarres, Lord Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Hewins, William Albert Samuel
Baldwin, Stanley Craig, E. (Ches., Crewe) Hickman, Colonel Thomas E.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Hill, Sir Clement L. (Shrewsbury)
Banner, John S. Harmood- Craik, Sir Henry Hills, John Waller
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Dairymple, Viscount Hill-Wood, Samuel
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy
Barnston, H. Denniss, E. R. B. Hope, Harry (Bute)
Barrie, H. T. Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Hope, James (Fitzalan, Sheffield)
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) Dixon, C. H. Horne, E. (Surrey, Guildford)
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) Du Cros, Arthur Philip Horner, Andrew Long
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Duke, Henry Edward Houston, Robert Paterson
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Hume-Williams, William Ellis
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East)
Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Jessel, Captain H. M.
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Falle, B. G. Kerry, Earl of
Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- Fell, Arthur Kimber, Sir Henry
Beresford, Lord C. Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Bigland, Alfred Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Knight, Captain E. A.
Bird, A. Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. Lane-Fox, G. R.
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Fleming, Valentine Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End)
Boyle, W. Lewis (Norfolk, Mid) Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) Lewisham, viscount
Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell Gastrell, Major W. H. Lloyd, G. A.
Bridgeman, William Clive Gibb, G. A. Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)
Bull, Sir William James Gilmour, Captain John Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Burdett-Coutts, William Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. Lonsdale, Sir John (Brownlee)
Burgoyne, A. H. Goldstone, Frank Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston)
Burn, Colonel C. R. Goulding, Edward Alfred Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo. Han. S.)
Butcher, John George Grant, J. A. MacCaw, William J. McGeagh
Campion, W. R. Greene, Walter Raymond Mackinder, H. J.
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Gretton, John Magnus, Sir Philip
Cassel, Felix Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S.E.) Malcolm, Ian
Castlereagh, Viscount Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Cator, John Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Cautley, H. S. Haddock, George Bahr Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton)
Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) Royds, Edmund Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North)
Newdegate, F. A. Rutherford, John (Lancs., Oarwen) Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Newman, John R. P. Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) Touche, George Alexander
Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Salter, Arthur Clavell Tullibardine, Marquess of
Nield, Herbert Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Valentia, Viscount
Norton-Griffiths, J. (Wednesbury) Sanders, Robert A. Walker, Col. William Hall
O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Sanderson, Lancelot Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Sandys, G. J. (Somerset, Wells) Ward, Arnold S. (Herts, Watford)
Paget, Almeric Hugh Sassoon, Sir Philip Wheler, Granville C. H.
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange) White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) Smith, Harold (Warrington) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Peel, Hon. W. R. W. (Taunton) Spear, Sir John Ward Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Perkins, Walter F. Stanler, Bevilie Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E.R.)
Peto, Basil Edward Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) Wolmer, Viscount
Pole-Carew, Sir R. Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Pollock, Ernest Murray Steel-Maitland, A. D. Worthington-Evans, L.
Pretyman, Ernest George Stewart, Gershom Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Pryce-Jones, Col. E. Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Rawlinson, John Frederick Swift, Rigby Yate, Col. C. E.
Rawson, Colonel R. H. Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) Yerburgh, Robert A.
Rees, Sir J. D. Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central) Younger, Sir George
Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Talbot, Lord E.
Rolleston, Sir John Terrell, George (Wilts, N.W.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir
Ronaldshay, Earl of Terrell, H. (Gloucester) R. Baker and Mr. R. M'Neill.
Forward to