HC Deb 12 December 1912 vol 45 cc945-54

1. The compensation which may be awarded to an officer or constable shall be an annual allowance.

2. The annual allowance shall be calculated in like manner as the pension which the officer or constable would have been entitled to receive under the enactments applicable to him if he had retired voluntarily and had been qualified in respect of his length of service for a pension, save that for the purposes of that calculation the following provisions shall have effect:

  1. (a) there shall be added to his completed years of actual service, if the proportion of salary on which his allowance is calculated is one-fiftieth, ten years, and if that proportion is one-sixtieth, twelve years, but any such addition of years shall not affect the amount of salary in respect of which his annual allowance is to be calculated; and
  2. (b) if he has, in addition to his completed years of actual service, served 947 for a period exceeding six months, his service for that period shall be reckoned as a completed year of actual service.

3. The allowance awarded to an officer or constable shall in no case exceed the maximum pension which could under the enactments applicable to him have been awarded to him if he had retired for length of service only.

4. In the event of a constable dying within one year after an annual allowance has been awarded to him under this Schedule, the Lord Lieutenant may, if he thinks fit, grant an annuity to the widow or children of the constable in like manner as if the allowance were a pension granted to the constable on retirement.

Government Amendments made:

In the first paragraph, after the word "transfer" ["who after the day of transfer"], insert the words (a) "retires voluntarily under the conditions in that behalf hereinafter contained; or"; leave out the words "enactments aforesaid, be entitled" and insert instead thereof the words "existing enactments applicable to him, be entitled on retirement."

At the end of first paragraph insert:—

(2). The conditions of voluntary retirement are that—

  1. (a) Notice of the intention to retire must be given within one year after the day of transfer;
  2. (b) The notice must be given in manner prescribed by the Lord Lieutenant;
  3. (c) The retirement must not take place until at least six months after the notice of retirement has been given, and may be postponed by the Lord Lieutenant, if he thinks fit, to any later date not being more than two years after the day of transfer; and
  4. (d) The retiring officer or constable must show to the satisfaction of the Lord Lieutenant that he is not incapacitated for the performance of his duties by mental or bodily infirmity and will not be entitled to retire on the maximum pension for length of service under the enactments aforesaid before the expiration of two years from the date of transfer, and that he joined the force before the passing of this Act.

In the second paragraph (Rules), at the beginning of Rule No. 2, insert the words "where the officer or constable is required to retire"; leave out the words "receive under the enactments applicable to him if he had retired voluntarily," and insert instead thereof the words "if he had retired from length of service under the existing enactments applicable to him";

In Rule 2, paragraph (a), leave out the words "but any such addition of years shall not affect the amount of salary in respect of which his annual allowance is to be calculated; and," and insert instead thereof the words:—

(b) his salary shall be taken at the amount which it would have reached if he had continued to serve in the same rank for the number of years so added, and in the case of a district inspector of the Royal Irish Constabulary of the third class as if he were entitled to promotion to the second class on the completion of one and a-half years' service in the third class, and, in the case of a district inspector of the Royal Irish Constabulary of the second class, as if he were entitled to promotion to the first class on the completion of eleven years' service in the second class;

(c) if the number of his completed years of service, as reckoned under this rule, is less than the minimum number of years of service for which provision as respects pensions is made in the appropriate pension scale that scale shall apply with the substitution of the number of his completed years of service as so reckoned for that minimum number.

In Rules No. 2, paragraph (b), at the end insert the words:—

"3. Where the officer or constable retires under the conditions of voluntary retirement the provisions of the last preceding rule shall apply with the substitution of five years for ten years and six years for twelve years";

In Rules No. 3, leave, out the words "the maximum pension which could under the enactments applicable to him if he had retired for length of service only," and insert instead thereof the words "two-thirds of his actual pensionable salary";

In Rules No. 4, leave out the words "an annuity" ["grant an annuity"], and insert instead thereof the words "a gratuity."—[Mr. Birrell.]

Question put, "That the Schedule as amended be the Fourth Schedule of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 299; Noes, 166.

Division No. 454.] AYES. [11.45 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Esslemont, George Birnie Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)
Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) Falconer, James Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th)
Acland, Francis Dyke Farrell, James Patrick Leach, Charles
Adamson, William Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Levy, Sir Maurice
Addison, Dr. Christopher Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lundon, T.
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Ffrench, Peter Lynch, A. A.
Agnew, Sir George Field, William Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward McGhee, Richard
Alden, Percy Fitzgibbon, John Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Allen, Rt. Hn. Charles P. (Stroud) Flavin, Michael Joseph MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Armitage, R. France, Gerald Ashburner Macpherson, James Ian
Arnold, Sydney Gill, A. H. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Ginnell, L. M'Callum, Sir John M.
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Gladstone, W. G. C. McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Glanville, H. J. M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding)
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Manfield, Harry
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Goldstone, Frank Markham, Sir Arthur Basil
Barnes, George N. Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Marshall, Arthur Harold
Barton, William Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Martin, J.
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Greig, Colonel J. W. Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Beck, Arthur Cecil Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Meagher, Michael
Bentham, George Jackson Griffith, Ellis Jones Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Betheil, Sir John Henry Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Menzies, Sir Walter
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Millar, James Duncan
Black, Arthur W. Guiney, Patrick Molloy, Michael
Boland, John Pius Gulland, John William Molteno, Percy Alport
Booth, Frederick Handel Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz
Bowerman, C. W. Hackett, J. Mooney, John J.
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Morgan, George Hay
Brace, William Hancock, John George Morrell, Philip
Brady, P. J. Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) Morison, Hector
Brocklehurst, William B. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Muldoon, John
Brunner, J. F. L. Hardie, J. Keir Munro, R.
Bryce, J. Annan Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Nannetti, Joseph P.
Burke, E. Haviland- Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Needham, Christopher Thomas
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Nolan, Joseph
Byles, Sir William Pollard Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Norton, Capt. Cecil W.
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Chancellor, H. G. Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry O'Connor, John, (Kildare, N.)
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Hayden, John Patrick O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Clancy, John Joseph Hayward, Evan O'Doherty, Philip
Clough, William Hazleton, Richard O'Dowd, John
Clynes, John R. Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) Ogden, Fred
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Helme, Sir Norval Watson O'Grady, James
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Henry, Sir Charles O'Malley, William
Cotton, William Francis Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.) O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Higham, John Sharp O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hinds, John O'Shee, James John
Crean, Eugene Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Sullivan, Timothy
Crooks, William Hodge, John Palmer Godfrey Mark
Crumley, Patrick Hogge, James Myles Parker, James (Halifax)
Cullinan, John Holmes, Daniel Turner Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) Holt, Richard Durning Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Phillips, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Phillips, John (Longford, S.)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Hughes, Spencer Leigh Pirle, Duncan Vernon
Dawes, J. A. Illingworth, Percy H. Pointer, Joseph
De Forest, Baron Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Pollard, Sir George H.
Delany, William John, Edward Thomas Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Power, Patrick Joseph
Devlin, Joseph Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Dickinson, W. H. Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.)
Donelan, Captain A. Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney) Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham)
Doris, William Jowett, Frederick William Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Duffy, William J. Joyce, Michael Pringle, William M. R.
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Kellaway, Frederick George Radford, G. H.
Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Kennedy, Vincent Paul Raffan, Peter Wilson
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Kilbride, Denis Raphael, Sir Herbert H.
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) King, J. Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Reddy, M
Elverston, Sir Harold Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon,S.Molton) Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Redmond, William (Clare, E.)
Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Rendall, Athelstan Sherwell, Arthur James Wason, Rt. Hon. E (Clackmannan)
Richards, Thomas Shortt, Edward Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Simon, Sir John Allsebrook Watt, Henry A.
Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) Webb, H.
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N.W.) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Sutherland, J. E. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Sutton, John E. Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Taylor, John W. (Durham) Wiles, Thomas
Robinson, Sidney Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) Wilkie, Alexander
Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Tennant, Harold John Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Roche, Augustine (Louth) Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Roe, Sir Thomas Thorne, William (West Ham) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Rose, Sir Charles Day Toulmin, Sir George Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Rowlands, James Trevelyan, Charles Philips Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Rowntree, Arnold Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Verney, Sir Harry Winfrey, Richard
Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Wadsworth, J. Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Walsh, J. (Cork, South) Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Scanlan, Thomas Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) Young, William (Perth, East)
Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Walton, Sir Joseph Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Ward, John (Stoke-on-Trent)
Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
Sheehy, David Waring, Walter
Aitken, Sir William Max Greene, W. R. Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Amery, L. C. M. S. Gretton, John Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge)
Archer-Shee, Major Martin Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) Peto, Basil Edward
Ashley, W. W. Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Baird, J. L. Haddock, George Bahr Pollock, Ernest Murray
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Pretyman, Ernest George
Balcarres, Lord Hamersley, Alfred St. George Pryce-Jones, Col. E. (M'tgom'y B'ghs.)
Baldwin, Stanley Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Randles, Sir John S.
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Harris, Henry Percy Rawson, Col. R. H.
Barnston, H. Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Barrie, H. T. Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. Rolleston, Sir John
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) Hill, Sir Clement L. Rothschild, Lionel de
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Hills, John Waller Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Hill-Wood, Samuel Salter, Arthur Clavell
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Hoare, S. J. G. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Hohler, G. F. Sanders, Robert A.
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Sanderson, Lancelot
Bigland, Alfred Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Sassoon, Sir Philip
Bird, A. Houston, Robert Paterson Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange)
Blair, Reginald Hunt, Rowland Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Boyton, James Hunter, Sir C. R. Spear, Sir John Ward
Bridgeman, W. Clive Jackson, Sir John Stanier, Beville
Bull, Sir William James Jessel, Capt. H. M. Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Burdett-Coutts, W. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Starkey, John R.
Burn, Colonel, C. R. Kerry, Earl of Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Butcher, John George Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Stewart, Gershom
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Lane-Fox, G. R. Swift, Rigby
Campion, W. R. Larmor, Sir J. Talbot, Lord E.
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Cassel, Felix Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.)
Cautley, H. S. Lewisham, Viscount Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Cave, George Lloyd, George Ambrose Thynne, Lord Alexander
Chambers, James Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Touche, George Alexander
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Lonsdale, Sir J. Brownlee Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Tullibardine, Marquess of
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo. Han. S.) Valentia, Viscount
Courthope, George Loyd Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Craik, Sir Henry MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Wheler, Granville, C. H.
Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Mackinder, Halford J. White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Dixon, C. H. Macmaster, Donald Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Doughty, Sir George M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Malcolm, Ian Wills, Sir Gilbert
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Mason, James F. (Windsor) Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.)
Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Middlemore, John Throgmorton Winterton, Earl
Falle, B. G. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Fell, Arthur Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Mount, William Arthur Worthington-Evans, L.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Newton, Harry Kottingham Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Gastrell, Major W. Houghton Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Gibbs, G. A. Nield, Herbert Younger, Sir George
Gilmour, Captain John O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)
Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Neville and Mr. Ingleby.
Goulding, Edward Alfred Parkes, Ebenezer

Question put, and agreed to.

Whereupon the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House, pursuant to the Order of the House of the 14th October.

Bill reported, as amended, to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 341.]

The Orders for the remaining Government business were read, and postponed.

Whereupon, Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER, pursuant to the Order of the House of 14th October, proposed the Question, "That this House do now adjourn."

Adjourned accordingly at Six minutes after Twelve o'clock.